1 of 3 Hemi 4 speed X9 Daytona

[nascarxx29]

For the longest time it was known as the Don Hicks car.Then I was reading the Mar 2007 MCG.And seen it was bought in 1991 by Steve Fox.And going through my wingcar papers I come up with 2 more names to go with this car a Gary T haven and Ed Mohler Which also shared the featured in the article HEMI 3 CA license plate

[nascarxx29]

I found a old car magazine with the Ed Mohler X9 daytona

[UFO]

During its time with Ed Mohler it got featured in street machine magazine.

[nascarxx29]

I got that same issue

[UFO]

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[UFO]

Great minds think alike.

[nascarxx29]

Not related to this daytona but another hemi daytona former original owner Ed Ryan which I have copies of the sale invoice for this hemi daytona.Notice the ad for the Ed Ryan daytona with a sunroof and vinyl top

[PocketThunder]

Do you have any info on a Hemi Daytona that would have sold new out of New Richmond, WI?  My friend tells me that his uncle bought one new there and still has it.  I am gonna try and go see it this summer.

[Fitz73Chrgr]

 

[nascarxx29]

Id have to look it it up .But wasnt the Cal Anderson brown hemi 4 speed sold originally in WI.Is that the car you refering to .Or another hemi daytona from WI.Which may have changed hands .I can try looking up hemi daytonas that sold to WI

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20295.0.html

[Aero426]

Do you have any info on a Hemi Daytona that would have sold new out of New Richmond, WI?  My friend tells me that his uncle bought one new there and still has it.  I am gonna try and go see it this summer.

Geno can confirm this, but the only Daytona from New Richmond WI would be Elmer Duellman's car which is a 440.      The dealer was Bernard's Chrysler-Plymouth-Dodge.   Elmer bought the car new and still has it.   This is the one with 304 miles.

[nascarxx29]

 I did a while ago was daytona per state totals from info on the daytona ship list
69 Daytona list per state totals going from the current standing list number to date #501 cars from pages supplied in my club newsletter that shows the new car shipments for 69 daytonas and locations shipped to Including serial numbers and dealer number and dealer location. Also shows what states did and did not recieve a 69 daytona .Starting with the 440s AL-11 AZ-5 AR-2 CANADA 45 CA-38 CO-12 CON-2 DE-1 FL-16 GA-16 HAWAII-2 ID-1 IL-22 IN-21 IA-3 KAN-7 KEN-5 LOU-7 ME-1 MD-2 MASS-5 MI-26 MINN-3 MISS-1 MO-21 MONT-1 NEB-4 NV-2 NH-2 NJ-6 NY-26 NC-13 NDKT-1 SDKT-4.OH-25 OK-9 ORE-7 PA-23 RI-3 SC-4 TN-5 TX-20 UT-1 VT-1 VA-13 WA ST-7 WA-DC-2 W VA-1 WI-9-The 426 states AZ-1 CANADA-5 CA-7 CO-3 GA-1 IL-1 IN-1 KAN-1 MD-1 MI-2 MO-1 NY-1 NC-1 OH-3 PA-1 SC-1 TX-3 WVA-1 WI-1 .Total #501 465- 440 Hemi-36 for the 47 states 1 line was unreadable unknown state. 2 cars were 440 dodge exec cars with no dealer location in house cars and figured in with the MI total.Only #3 states didnt recieve 69 Daytona on this current list Alaska-New Mexico-Wyoming .

[nascarxx29]

The Elmer Duelman is known as the $675 K daytona with 304 miles on it
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,23832.0.html

[hemigeno]

Do you have any info on a Hemi Daytona that would have sold new out of New Richmond, WI?  My friend tells me that his uncle bought one new there and still has it.  I am gonna try and go see it this summer.

Geno can confirm this, but the only Daytona from New Richmond WI would be Elmer Duellman's car which is a 440.      The dealer was Bernard's Chrysler-Plymouth-Dodge.   Elmer bought the car new and still has it.   This is the one with 304 miles.

Doug, you're correct - the only one shown on the Shipping List as being shipped to or sold from New Richmond is indeed Elmer's car.  As everyone knows, that doesn't mean there wasn't a trade between dealerships.

I checked the other Wisconsin Daytonas, and in addition to Cal Anderson's former car there is another Wisconsin HemiDaytona (409066) which is listed as coming from Thiensville, WI.  Cal Anderson's car isn't even listed on the Shipping List as a HemiDaytona - but it most certainly is.   

PT, we kicked the Wisconsin HemiDaytonas around a year or so ago on this thread.  I'd still be real interested in finding out which car your friend's uncle has. 

[Aero426]

I would bet that since there is some hearsay involved, the car being discussed is Elmers.   There is no way the dealership in New Richmond had a second Daytona, as they didn't even want the one they got.

If Cal's car came from Theinsville, that probably was Milrace Motors.   Milrace was a sporty car type dealership, and certainly they were performance oriented.  Jerry Service's black Hemi Daytona came from Milrace as well.   Jerry's car was painted upon arrival at the dealership because it looked so bad.

[pandamarie]

Looks like one that I test drove in 1985 while I was a private in the USMC stationed in 29 palms. It was for sale at the time for 5500 and I couldnt get anyone to loan me the money. Does anyone know the Mopar Brothers in Tahunga,Ca. speeling is probably wrong, it a city in Los Angeles, anyway, when I got back from Hawaii a friend picked me up at the airport and took me over to his friends house, he had a 69 Daytona and 2 superbirds and a few cudas and challengers in his back yard. I belive he bought the last Superbird for 6500 at the pamona swap meet.
I need to get back down there and see if they still have all those nice mopars.

[69_500]

My whole question with the Don hicks Daytona is where did the fender tag come from?


I have photo's of that car from 1980 ,and it was missing the fender tag, and there are notes on the photo's from Don Hicks stating its a HEMI Daytona but no fender tag. Just curious if anyone knows.

[nascarxx29]

Same car that had front frame damage type marks underneath

[UFO]

Am I correct that the hood was replaced?
Reason being the part number is stenciled on the bottom.

[hemi68charger]

Ahhhhhhhhh, what dreams are made from..........

[69_500]

The hood hadn't been replaced in the photo's I have of it.

[hemigeno]

I would bet that since there is some hearsay involved, the car being discussed is Elmers.   There is no way the dealership in New Richmond had a second Daytona, as they didn't even want the one they got.

Dumb (but serious) question here - did/do you know the folks from the New Richmond dealership?  I was just curious what their impression of the Daytona was when they got it...  Did they order it for their dealer stock, or was it just sent to them - and if they ordered it, did they change their minds once they saw it?

I was figuring that most of the orders for these cars were probably placed between mid-April (when the Daytona was formally introduced) up through the first of June (about 3 weeks before the last Daytona was made at Hamtramck).  That's only a month and a half, if you think about it.  The cars didn't start shipping until mid-August, which meant that by the time the cars hit the lot, the chance to order more of them or cancel what they did order was gone.

If Cal's car came from Theinsville, that probably was Milrace Motors.   Milrace was a sporty car type dealership, and certainly they were performance oriented.  Jerry Service's black Hemi Daytona came from Milrace as well.   Jerry's car was painted upon arrival at the dealership because it looked so bad.

Sorry about the confusion in what I typed earlier.  Cal's former car didn't come from Thiensville - his supposedly shipped to Watertown Dodge (Watertown, WI).  The other Wisconsin HemiDaytona is the one that is listed as being from Thiensville.  That's the one that I'm hoping PocketThunder's friend can confirm.  The 409066 VIN is in the WW newsletters as a known car, but I don't have any info about colors or options.  You're absolutely correct, in that the dealership listed for Thiensville is Milrace Motors.  Must have been quite the place, from what you're saying!

[PocketThunder]

I'll try and get over there with my friend in the next month to finally meet his uncle.  I've got some pictures of the car from last summer but they are at London Drug right now. 

[Aero426]

I would bet that since there is some hearsay involved, the car being discussed is Elmers.   There is no way the dealership in New Richmond had a second Daytona, as they didn't even want the one they got.

Dumb (but serious) question here - did/do you know the folks from the New Richmond dealership?  I was just curious what their impression of the Daytona was when they got it...  Did they order it for their dealer stock, or was it just sent to them - and if they ordered it, did they change their minds once they saw it?

I was figuring that most of the orders for these cars were probably placed between mid-April (when the Daytona was formally introduced) up through the first of June (about 3 weeks before the last Daytona was made at Hamtramck).  That's only a month and a half, if you think about it.  The cars didn't start shipping until mid-August, which meant that by the time the cars hit the lot, the chance to order more of them or cancel what they did order was gone.

If Cal's car came from Theinsville, that probably was Milrace Motors.   Milrace was a sporty car type dealership, and certainly they were performance oriented.  Jerry Service's black Hemi Daytona came from Milrace as well.   Jerry's car was painted upon arrival at the dealership because it looked so bad.

Sorry about the confusion in what I typed earlier.  Cal's former car didn't come from Thiensville - his supposedly shipped to Watertown Dodge (Watertown, WI).  The other Wisconsin HemiDaytona is the one that is listed as being from Thiensville.  That's the one that I'm hoping PocketThunder's friend can confirm.  The 409066 VIN is in the WW newsletters as a known car, but I don't have any info about colors or options.  You're absolutely correct, in that the dealership listed for Thiensville is Milrace Motors.  Must have been quite the place, from what you're saying!

Gary Moe who is a DSAC member and Daytona owner lives in New Richmond and remembers the green Daytona sitting on the back of the lot in the winter.    The dealer was  non-performance oriented, he had teen age kids who cared less.   My guess is that it was a car they got stuck with.   They thought they would need to paint it a bright color to sell it, so as soon as the car came in, it was painted Limelight.  The bodyman ran down to the local hardware store and got mailbox letters for the DAYTONA on the stripe.  You can see that in the picture I posted.  They let it sit all winter before attempting to market it in the spring of '70.   

As far as Milrace goes, I have some early 1990's photos of the dealership.  One of the last things my dad did before he passed away was interview the guy who owned the dealership.   I've never finished putting it together, but maybe I should.

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

Got jokes do ya?

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I'll try and get over there with my friend in the next month to finally meet his uncle.  I've got some pictures of the car from last summer but they are at London Drug right now.

car looks badass with big slots and  those super stock tires damn i wish they still made tires like that

[nascarxx29]

Gary Moes car I believe later became the Chris Sauer daytona.That Vance Cumings also restored

[hemigeno]

Gary Moes car I believe later became the Chris Sauer daytona.That Vance Cumings also restored

Did Gary own the car before Roger Dennee?  I thought that was the infamous car whose sale was forced due to a divorce proceeding?  I only have Roger written down as a prior owner in my notes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[Aero426]

Gary Moes car I believe later became the Chris Sauer daytona.That Vance Cumings also restored

Did Gary own the car before Roger Dennee?  I thought that was the infamous car whose sale was forced due to a divorce proceeding?  I only have Roger written down as a prior owner in my notes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Gary Moe has owned his car since 1977.

Roger Dennee's car was sold to Chris Sauer as part of a divorce settlement.

[FJMG]

Nascarxx29, I noticed you didn't list 409030. Is there any info on that car? also, any idea on how many T5 hemi daytonas, other than the tan int. and the white int., white stripe 4-speed cars?

[terrible one]

Is this the same car? I have a random picture of it on my computer.

[hemigeno]

Nascarxx29, I noticed you didn't list 409030. Is there any info on that car? also, any idea on how many T5 hemi daytonas, other than the tan int. and the white int., white stripe 4-speed cars?

I just have 409030 listed as a "known to exist" car, which means the VIN number was listed in one of the club magazines somewhere down the line.  If you have any info on it, I'd love to log that into my records (I'm sure Dave would love to have the info, as well as DSAC and the '69 Charger Registry).

Also, in my meager database I have only 8 cars listed with T5, and 3 of those were white or tan interior with a 4-speed.  There are probably several more that I don't have the information on.  Good color combo!

Is this the same car? I have a random picture of it on my computer.

Gotta be the same car - it's the same all the way down to the type of tires & wheels...

[69_500]

Gene I'm not sure if that last photo is of the same car. I think it is of a car that is from Michigan. That is a factory V2 car that is painted black.

[Charger-Bodie]

first off i dont really have any info for sure about this car but my dad has been talking about a 3x black hemi 4 speed daytona that he "could have bought" way back in 1973 first off a little history about him : he had a body shop he opened it in 1969 and being a mopar guy his fill in work was wrecked mopars that hed buy repair and sell well he had 17 68-70 chargers among other mopars during the 70s. well the story goes that he had the chance to buy the dayton but it was hit in the front and they wanted 2800.00 for it the way it sat and with there being no chance of finding anything used and the cost of new he passed cause he didnt think he could make out on it does anyone else no any thing about the car? is it around ? just curious 3x black hemi and 4spd daytona could there be anything on the face of the earth that would be cooler?

[hemigeno]

Gene I'm not sure if that last photo is of the same car. I think it is of a car that is from Michigan. That is a factory V2 car that is painted black.

Danny,  I was only going by the paint/interior/stripe combo, Hemi badges, slot wheels and "Formula 1 / Super Stock" tires...  seemed at least plausible that they were the same car - although you could certainly be right.  It'd be pretty wild to have two cars dressed out that much alike (in semi-custom form).

BTW, Happy (late) Birthday!

first off i dont really have any info for sure about this car but my dad has been talking about a 3x black hemi 4 speed daytona that he "could have bought" way back in 1973 first off a little history about him : he had a body shop he opened it in 1969 and being a mopar guy his fill in work was wrecked mopars that hed buy repair and sell well he had 17 68-70 chargers among other mopars during the 70s. well the story goes that he had the chance to buy the dayton but it was hit in the front and they wanted 2800.00 for it the way it sat and with there being no chance of finding anything used and the cost of new he passed cause he didnt think he could make out on it does anyone else no any thing about the car? is it around ? just curious 3x black hemi and 4spd daytona could there be anything on the face of the earth that would be cooler?

A big problem with a "triple black" Daytona is that one may never have been produced that way originally.  The decent pictures that I have seen of cars with that treatment all show a matte/flat black stripe applied.  However, the stripes only came originally in gloss black - which would not have shown up well on the painted surface.  It was possible to order a Daytona without the stripe (which would mean the wing would be painted body color), but unfortunately there's really no way to prove it was ordered sans stripe without a dealer order or some other rare paperwork from back in the day.  The fender tags and order information available thus far does not give any reliable indication about what color the stripe was. 

The reason this is important to the story you just told, is that if the car your dad remembers seeing had a black stripe on it, my guess is that it was customozed to one degree or another.  That makes it even more difficult to say for sure just which car that might have been.

Of the two black 4-speed HemiDaytonas that I have at least some fender tag information on, it is more likely to have been the Ed Mohler car (405189 which is now Steve Fox's car) than the one which ended up in Great Britain.  Danny might know a whole lot more about the Mohler/Fox car, since he saw it when it was for sale back in the early 80s.

[Charger-Bodie]

Gene I'm not sure if that last photo is of the same car. I think it is of a car that is from Michigan. That is a factory V2 car that is painted black.

Danny,  I was only going by the paint/interior/stripe combo, Hemi badges, slot wheels and "Formula 1 / Super Stock" tires...  seemed at least plausible that they were the same car - although you could certainly be right.  It'd be pretty wild to have two cars dressed out that much alike (in semi-custom form).

BTW, Happy (late) Birthday!

first off i dont really have any info for sure about this car but my dad has been talking about a 3x black hemi 4 speed daytona that he "could have bought" way back in 1973 first off a little history about him : he had a body shop he opened it in 1969 and being a mopar guy his fill in work was wrecked mopars that hed buy repair and sell well he had 17 68-70 chargers among other mopars during the 70s. well the story goes that he had the chance to buy the dayton but it was hit in the front and they wanted 2800.00 for it the way it sat and with there being no chance of finding anything used and the cost of new he passed cause he didnt think he could make out on it does anyone else no any thing about the car? is it around ? just curious 3x black hemi and 4spd daytona could there be anything on the face of the earth that would be cooler?

A big problem with a "triple black" Daytona is that one may never have been produced that way originally.  The decent pictures that I have seen of cars with that treatment all show a matte/flat black stripe applied.  However, the stripes only came originally in gloss black - which would not have shown up well on the painted surface.  It was possible to order a Daytona without the stripe (which would mean the wing would be painted body color), but unfortunately there's really no way to prove it was ordered sans stripe without a dealer order or some other rare paperwork from back in the day.  The fender tags and order information available thus far does not give any reliable indication about what color the stripe was. 

The reason this is important to the story you just told, is that if the car your dad remembers seeing had a black stripe on it, my guess is that it was customozed to one degree or another.  That makes it even more difficult to say for sure just which car that might have been.

Of the two black 4-speed HemiDaytonas that I have at least some fender tag information on, it is more likely to have been the Ed Mohler car (405189 which is now Steve Fox's car) than the one which ended up in Great Britain.  Danny might know a whole lot more about the Mohler/Fox car, since he saw it when it was for sale back in the early 80s.

i should have probley mention that sometimes my dads memery can get foggy even thou he would never admit that!! even thou id say his memory prob is good on the overall color its prob the details that he got mixed up?

[nascarxx29]

 V2 hemi car painted black Jerry S Manchester MI

[69_500]

I could be wrong as well on the whole thing too Gene. I just think I remember when the other photo was first posted it was noted that it was from Michigan, which made me think of the car Dave mentioned.

I don't think the Black 4 speed car that was Don Hicks ever had front end damage. However, the one over in England was origionally from the southeast, and then went to California in the early 80's. The exact opposite direction as the other black HEMI 4 speed car. It was in Pheonix I believe and went to Alabama in the late 70's. So they swapped spaces on the the realtive coasts. The one that is now in England was sprayed white at one time as well. Painted by aerosol cans in a parking lot as i recall someone telling me. If I'm not mistaken it was painted white on the way from Alabama to california, in a parking lot in colorado or something along those lines. Painted white before driving through the hot desert.

What area of the country is your fathers shop in? And by 3X was he meaning black exterior, stripe, interior, or vinyl top. 4 componets possible, to make up a 3x. None were with the vinyl top so that rules that one out for sure. Black stripe, would be hard to believe but not exactly impossible.

[moparchris]

In regards to the Steve Fox x9 daytona.  This car was indeed in Phoenix when new where it was sprayed a hideous yellow with the red wing.  My good friend Bob Graham test drove that car when it was on the used car lot of Pegler's Dodge City dealership.  This was in about '73-'74.  If I remember Bob's story they offered him that car for $2,000.  At the time he could not swing it as he and his brother Bill owned a red 71 hemi cuda convertable and they had just blown up the motor in the cuda.  This was the same hemi cuda convertable that was on the cover of Mopar Action magazine a few months ago as the "mysterious lost cuda convertable".

[Charger-Bodie]

I could be wrong as well on the whole thing too Gene. I just think I remember when the other photo was first posted it was noted that it was from Michigan, which made me think of the car Dave mentioned.

I don't think the Black 4 speed car that was Don Hicks ever had front end damage. However, the one over in England was origionally from the southeast, and then went to California in the early 80's. The exact opposite direction as the other black HEMI 4 speed car. It was in Pheonix I believe and went to Alabama in the late 70's. So they swapped spaces on the the realtive coasts. The one that is now in England was sprayed white at one time as well. Painted by aerosol cans in a parking lot as i recall someone telling me. If I'm not mistaken it was painted white on the way from Alabama to california, in a parking lot in colorado or something along those lines. Painted white before driving through the hot desert.

What area of the country is your fathers shop in? And by 3X was he meaning black exterior, stripe, interior, or vinyl top. 4 componets possible, to make up a 3x. None were with the vinyl top so that rules that one out for sure. Black stripe, would be hard to believe but not exactly impossible.

ne iowa black car black stripe black interior but like i said before my dad can somtimes remeber thing diff than they were!

[69_500]

I was wondering if someone would know about the Steve F. car from before it went to Don Hicks in Alabama. I don't think I ever saw it in any color other than black though. Yellow with a red wing wouldn't look so bad, just my thoughts though. When I saw it in the early 80's and then again before he restored it, the paint was a gloss black.

[PocketThunder]

Gary Moes car I believe later became the Chris Sauer daytona.That Vance Cumings also restored

Did Gary own the car before Roger Dennee?  I thought that was the infamous car whose sale was forced due to a divorce proceeding?  I only have Roger written down as a prior owner in my notes, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Gary Moe has owned his car since 1977.

Roger Dennee's car was sold to Chris Sauer as part of a divorce settlement.

Thats him!  Gary Moe is the guy i talked to last night. 

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,9246.msg343427.html#msg343427

Paul
In St. Paul

[FJMG]

    I guess I missed this the last time I read this thread but do I understand correctly Hemigeno that you have 8 t5 hemi's recorded???

[gtx6970]

Does Steve Fox still have the don hicks car, he has or had a X9 black hemi 500 as well that came out of Cincy at about the same time. I know he sold the black hemi 500 but bought it back shortly thereafter

[nascarxx29]

Another well known fact on that blackEx Don Hicks car .There was damage on the underneath.On a frame rail.Or where frame had been pulled at .Most likely from a early on accident

[hemigeno]

    I guess I missed this the last time I read this thread but do I understand correctly Hemigeno that you have 8 t5 hemi's recorded???

There are a few known-to-exist HemiDaytonas that I do not have the color information on, so between those and the yet-to-surface cars, my sampling isn't definitive.  I only have two T5 Hemi's in this particular database - the most well known of those being Cal Anderson's former car and both have tan interiors.

When you asked earlier about 409030 I had assumed you were interested in 440 & Hemi Daytonas painted T5.  Apparently, I didn't read your question well enough 

Sorry for the confusion!

[FJMG]

    No problem Hemigeno, both tan int.? so I assume that the white int. 4-spd at BJ last jan. is not yet in your database??

[hemigeno]

    No problem Hemigeno, both tan int.? so I assume that the white int. 4-spd at BJ last jan. is not yet in your database??

DOH!

That's what I get for being too busy to check my work.  Cal's old car was a White interior not tan - and that's the one that was at B-J.

Again, sorry for screwing things up.

[Aero426]

Cal's old car is now in the hands of Colin Comer in Milwaukee.  Colin purchased it at the Mecum auction in Belvidere.   We will be visiting Colin's collection at the Milwaukee meet next month.

[umcandprops]

I know the mopar Bro's of Tujunga. Ca, well.
They get hassled enough for their hemi cars as it is by fortune seekers.
They are genuine people, true collectors in every sense of the word.