Becoming Illegal (Actual letter from an Iowa resident and sent to his senator)

[Lowprofile]

The last time I checked, we are still a sovereign Nation who is governed by the rule of Law.

Common sense tells us all that with between 12 and 20 million Illegals [of many different nationalities] living & working among us, we have to come up with a fair & just plan to get these people on the books. Maybe then law enforcement will be able "weed" out the criminal element who hide among those who wish to become legal citizens, and send them back to their country of origin. We can then start the process of getting these folks on the "straight & narrow". Should those who crossed illegally have to pay some kind of penalty?? Thats way above my pay grade.

On the other side of this argument, I feel that we should toughen up the borders, build that damn fence, hire more patrol officers, and take the fight to those who try to cross into this, our country, with the narcotics that poison our citizens and destroy our families, and to those who deal in the trafficking of human souls. The damage that these despicable pieces of dreck cause to this country, and to those unfortunate souls who pay them with their very last dollar with the hope of finding a better life for themselves & their families, is a humanitarian tragedy.

Shame on us all If we as a nation can't do something about this.

JMHO..........

[hemihead]

The last time I checked, we are still a sovereign Nation who is governed by the rule of Law.

Common sense tells us all that with between 12 and 20 million Illegals [of many different nationalities] living & working among us, we have to come up with a fair & just plan to get these people on the books. Maybe then law enforcement will be able "weed" out the criminal element who hide among those who wish to become legal citizens, and send them back to their country of origin. We can then start the process of getting these folks on the "straight & narrow". Should those who crossed illegally have to pay some kind of penalty?? Thats way above my pay grade.

On the other side of this argument, I feel that we should toughen up the borders, build that damn fence, hire more patrol officers, and take the fight to those who try to cross into this, our country, with the narcotics that poison our citizens and destroy our families, and to those who deal in the trafficking of human souls. The damage that these despicable pieces of dreck cause to this country, and to those unfortunate souls who pay them with their very last dollar with the hope of finding a better life for themselves & their families, is a humanitarian tragedy.

Shame on us all If we as a nation can't do something about this.

JMHO..........

I agree with you in some part but these are ILLEGAL immigrants.There are laws in place.They should all be rounded up,sent back to their countries and do the paperwork and red tape.Especially since 9/11.And just because they are here already they want to be allowed to bring their entire families here too? Pffftttt.

[Ponch ®]

The last time I checked, we are still a sovereign Nation who is governed by the rule of Law.

Common sense tells us all that with between 12 and 20 million Illegals [of many different nationalities] living & working among us, we have to come up with a fair & just plan to get these people on the books. Maybe then law enforcement will be able "weed" out the criminal element who hide among those who wish to become legal citizens, and send them back to their country of origin. We can then start the process of getting these folks on the "straight & narrow". Should those who crossed illegally have to pay some kind of penalty?? Thats way above my pay grade.

On the other side of this argument, I feel that we should toughen up the borders, build that damn fence, hire more patrol officers, and take the fight to those who try to cross into this, our country, with the narcotics that poison our citizens and destroy our families, and to those who deal in the trafficking of human souls. The damage that these despicable pieces of dreck cause to this country, and to those unfortunate souls who pay them with their very last dollar with the hope of finding a better life for themselves & their families, is a humanitarian tragedy.

Shame on us all If we as a nation can't do something about this.

JMHO..........

I agree with you in some part but these are ILLEGAL immigrants.There are laws in place.They should all be rounded up,sent back to their countries and do the paperwork and red tape.Especially since 9/11.And just because they are here already they want to be allowed to bring their entire families here too? Pffftttt.

See? Everybody says "i have nothinga against 'these people', but they are here illegaly so I hate them" Then as soon as someone mentions amnesty, you would think we're changing our name to  The United States of Mexico (which, BTW, happens to be Mexico's official name). I still think it boils down to latent xenophobia and bigotry.

And still with that 9/11 crap. Like some drywaller named Pedro has any intention of bringing down  the Sears Tower. They build things, no destroy them. All of the 9/11 hijackers entered the U.S. legally, on student visas. In fact, that's how the majority of illegals get here.

And bull...after further thought...Ill tell you what. If you're willing to do all the shit jobs around my house that I think are beneath me to do - mow the lawn, take out the trash, cook my meals, clean the kitty litter box twice a day, scrub the toilets, mop the floors and vacuum the carpet, wash the dishes, and babysit my kids all for a couple of bucks a day - hell, you can even have the guest room to live in and drive the 74 (if ever get it fixed - though maybe I can put you to work on that too). I might even buy you some robitussin whenever you get a cough.

[Charger_Fan]

Something I thought of a while back...say we do give the illegals amnesty. After they've been declared American citizens, how long do you think they'll continue to be happy doing the "jobs nobody else wants to do", for meager pay? Probably not long...so then what do you think's gonna happen?

I'm guessing that suddenly they're gonna want to be more like average citizens & demand the same pay & bennies, then what? I suppose that after some painful growing pains, the economy will cease being artificially depressed & in a decade or so, things will be more in line with what the economy will actually support, with a hell of a lot more citizens making what they're truely worth.

The way I see it, the economy will have the same growing pains if we were to round up the illegals & ship 'em back. Suddenly employers will have to pay higher salaries (painful for a while) & those employees will soon spend more of their newfound money, making the business owners suddenly have higher earnings in the front end...AND, we won't have illegals here leeching off the system.
Maybe those freshly returned illegals, after seeing how green the grass is on the other side of the fence, will finally get pissed enough at their own government to overthrow the bastids & replace it with a government that works better! There's power in numbers & if they'd open their eyes, they could use that to their advantage.


Or am I just seeing golden images in the bottom of my beer glass?


Mojo, clean the litter box twice a day? What the hell are you feeding your cat?!?

[Rocky]

Anyone remember Operation Wetback?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

Other than changing the name, there is absolutly no reason this shouldn't be done today.

[RD]

Anyone remember Operation Wetback?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

Other than changing the name, there is absolutly no reason this shouldn't be done today.

I like it.

[edit] Operation
The operation began in California and Arizona and coordinated 1,075 Border Patrol agents along with state and local police agencies to mount an aggressive crackdown, going as far as police sweeps of Mexican-American neighborhoods and random stops and ID checks of "Mexican-looking" people in a region with many Native Americans and native Hispanics[citation needed]. Some 750 agents targeted agricultural areas with a goal of 1000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Around 488,000 people fled the country for fear of being apprehended. By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and the INS estimates that 500,000-700,000 illegals had left Texas voluntarily. To discourage re-entry, buses and trains took many illegals deep within Mexico before being set free. Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles (800 kilometers) south.


[edit] Result
Operation Wetback deported approximately 80,000 Mexican nationals in the space of almost a year, although local INS officials claimed that an additional 500,000-700,000 had fled to Mexico before the campaign began. The INS estimates rested on the claim that most undocumented people, fearing apprehension by the government, had voluntarily repatriated themselves before and during the operation.

[bull]

I have a question. What happens if a few white American kids are interested in studying agriculture in college and actually want to get a summer job picking lettuce or berries. Can they still do that or do they have to be bilingual to get that job these days? Would the migrant workers give them crap for taking their jobs away if they did get hired?

[RallyeMike]

I have a question. What happens if a few white American kids are interested in studying agriculture in college and actually want to get a summer job picking lettuce or berries.

[bull]

I have a question. What happens if a few white American kids are interested in studying agriculture in college and actually want to get a summer job picking lettuce or berries.

You don't think that's ever happened? You know, not every kid in this nation lives in a metro jungle like Seattle or LA and has his head up his a$$ 24/7 playing video games and smoking dope. Believe it or not there are actually young people who live on farms and enjoy that type of work and want to go to college to study it. So please spare me the patronization, k?

[hemihead]

The last time I checked, we are still a sovereign Nation who is governed by the rule of Law.

Common sense tells us all that with between 12 and 20 million Illegals [of many different nationalities] living & working among us, we have to come up with a fair & just plan to get these people on the books. Maybe then law enforcement will be able "weed" out the criminal element who hide among those who wish to become legal citizens, and send them back to their country of origin. We can then start the process of getting these folks on the "straight & narrow". Should those who crossed illegally have to pay some kind of penalty?? Thats way above my pay grade.

On the other side of this argument, I feel that we should toughen up the borders, build that damn fence, hire more patrol officers, and take the fight to those who try to cross into this, our country, with the narcotics that poison our citizens and destroy our families, and to those who deal in the trafficking of human souls. The damage that these despicable pieces of dreck cause to this country, and to those unfortunate souls who pay them with their very last dollar with the hope of finding a better life for themselves & their families, is a humanitarian tragedy.

Shame on us all If we as a nation can't do something about this.

JMHO..........

I agree with you in some part but these are ILLEGAL immigrants.There are laws in place.They should all be rounded up,sent back to their countries and do the paperwork and red tape.Especially since 9/11.And just because they are here already they want to be allowed to bring their entire families here too? Pffftttt.

See? Everybody says "i have nothinga against 'these people', but they are here illegaly so I hate them" Then as soon as someone mentions amnesty, you would think we're changing our name to  The United States of Mexico (which, BTW, happens to be Mexico's official name). I still think it boils down to latent xenophobia and bigotry.

And still with that 9/11 crap. Like some drywaller named Pedro has any intention of bringing down  the Sears Tower. They build things, no destroy them. All of the 9/11 hijackers entered the U.S. legally, on student visas. In fact, that's how the majority of illegals get here.

And bull...after further thought...Ill tell you what. If you're willing to do all the shit jobs around my house that I think are beneath me to do - mow the lawn, take out the trash, cook my meals, clean the kitty litter box twice a day, scrub the toilets, mop the floors and vacuum the carpet, wash the dishes, and babysit my kids all for a couple of bucks a day - hell, you can even have the guest room to live in and drive the 74 (if ever get it fixed - though maybe I can put you to work on that too). I might even buy you some robitussin whenever you get a cough.

Sorry you feel that 9/11 was crap and you have forgotten it so soon.The Gov. has already caught a few terrorists trying to get in from
the Mexico you seem to worship more than this country.And I don't hate anyone so don't play racist card , that's old.I just believe that this country was built on the ideas of equality and shouldn't that mean doing things the just and LEGAL way?That's why we make laws.

[hemigeno]

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but this thread was toe-ing the line of getting locked a while back and it's only getting worse.  I think to keep things from spiralling out of control we'll put this issue to rest.