I heard the UAW is putting in a bid for Chrysler???

[bull]

An acquaintance of mine told me today he heard that the United Auto Workers are trying to buy Chrysler now too? While I search for verification, has anyone else heard this news?

[bull]

Here's something: http://www.leftlanenews.com/uaw-considers-chrysler-bid-caw-says-no.html

Already I don't like it because it says DCX would retain 30% ownership. Screw that. Send them all back to Deutschland.

[71bee]

Here's something: http://www.leftlanenews.com/uaw-considers-chrysler-bid-caw-says-no.html

Already I don't like it because it says DCX would retain 30% ownership. Screw that. Send them all back to Deutschland.

why must these nutty Duetshlanders be such arogant dicks?

[Rocky]

  How would this end up?

[73dodge]

It's probably not a bad thing, then the Unions would understand how hard it is to make a car that appeals to people and make it affordable after they decide they are going to pay the guy who installs the gas caps on the car 200.00 an hour for plus time and a half when he is on the clock for 8 hours and on really does 3 hours worth of work. And then provide full health care for all workers including everyone who has retired in the last 50 years from Chrysler and 100% of their salary for retirees as a pension.

Don't be surprised then to see the Caliber have a MSRP at $120,000.00 with a 12 month 10,000 mile warranty. Or what is more likely to happen is that the fat union bosses will suddenly be enjoying 7 figure incomes with huge retirement bonuses while telling the dumb masses that work for them that they have to layoff 6000 workers because they are loosing money and then ship those 6000 jobs to China.

[hemihead]

It's probably not a bad thing, then the Unions would understand how hard it is to make a car that appeals to people and make it affordable after they decide they are going to pay the guy who installs the gas caps on the car 200.00 an hour for plus time and a half when he is on the clock for 8 hours and on really does 3 hours worth of work. And then provide full health care for all workers including everyone who has retired in the last 50 years from Chrysler and 100% of their salary for retirees as a pension.

Don't be surprised then to see the Caliber have a MSRP at $120,000.00 with a 12 month 10,000 mile warranty. Or what is more likely to happen is that the fat union bosses will suddenly be enjoying 7 figure incomes with huge retirement bonuses while telling the dumb masses that work for them that they have to layoff 6000 workers because they are loosing money and then ship those 6000 jobs to China

Amazing how everyone jumps on the Unions.I bet none of you Anti - Union people would take a pay cut at your job so why should they? And talk being at work 8 hours and only actually working 3 ? lololololol, White collar workers are notorious for being on the internet, around the water cooler,coffee machine, out to lunch, shopping,etc. How many of you are reading this now that should be working?
And the part about ' enjoying a 7 figure income... etc.' this would not be the Union boss, this would be White collar management looking for
a bigger profit margin so as to advance their career. The greed of Corporate America has no conscience.

[Shakey]

Amazing how everyone jumps on the Unions.I bet none of you Anti - Union people would take a pay cut at your job so why should they? And talk being at work 8 hours and only actually working 3 ? lololololol, White collar workers are notorious for being on the internet, around the water cooler,coffee machine, out to lunch, shopping,etc. How many of you are reading this now that should be working?
And the part about ' enjoying a 7 figure income... etc.' this would not be the Union boss, this would be White collar management looking for
a bigger profit margin so as to advance their career. The greed of Corporate America has no conscience.

I bet none of you Anti - Union people would take a pay cut at your job so why should they?

Hmmm, take a pay cut or get laid off permanently.   

This has been happening in the airline industry for years.  This includes the pilots, the stewardesses, the ground crew and the white collar guys as well.

If I were put in that position, I'd think there are options.  Stay and work for less or find another line of work.   

And talk being at work 8 hours and only actually working 3 ?

I've known a few guys that have worked in the automotive manufacturing sector and the stories they tell me about what they do and don't do fall right in line as to what the general public believes about the assembly line workers.  Now, I realize that not every employee acts like they have but don't try and tell me that every person in the plant is busting their balls to work as hard and efficient as they can to help make quality automobiles for the masses - I just don't buy it!   

White collar workers are notorious for being on the internet, around the water cooler,coffee machine, out to lunch, shopping,etc. How many of you are reading this now that should be working?

As is the case with many blue collar workers, you have your hard working executives and you have your lazy dumb asses that have made an art out of fuckin' the dog and looking busy while doing so.  No industry is immune.  Do the white collar folks get paid more than the blue collar folks - in some cases yes and some cases no.

Technically I don't need to be at work until 8:00 AM but I like to get here at 6:30 AM.  By doing this, I have an hour and half of peace and quiet before the others begin to show up.  This enables me to have more time throughout the day to stop in here, read and post.  I'm not the model employee as I have learned that if you get your job done and your customers are content then there is no need to look over your shoulder.  I chose a white collar career as I like to be in control of my own destiny.  I did not want to have some union representative tell me when I should speak up, when I should shut up, when I should work and when I shouldn't work.  I can fight my own battles and I don't need to pay someone do do it for me.   

And the part about ' enjoying a 7 figure income... etc.' this would not be the Union boss, this would be White collar management looking for
a bigger profit margin so as to advance their career.

See above re: controlling ones own destiny.

The greed of Corporate America has no conscience.

You're correct - we're all guilty - white & blue collars.   

Question to all union employees:

What has your union done for you lately?

[pettyfan43]

The group that wants to buy the corporation is an employee owners group. My take is that they are the very ones to own the company. Their destiny is in their hands.

They have everything to gain and everything to lose. The success or failure would come down to who they chose to sit in the big chair. Somebody is gonna have to make major decisions, some of them tough ones.

[73dodge]

It's probably not a bad thing, then the Unions would understand how hard it is to make a car that appeals to people and make it affordable after they decide they are going to pay the guy who installs the gas caps on the car 200.00 an hour for plus time and a half when he is on the clock for 8 hours and on really does 3 hours worth of work. And then provide full health care for all workers including everyone who has retired in the last 50 years from Chrysler and 100% of their salary for retirees as a pension.

Don't be surprised then to see the Caliber have a MSRP at $120,000.00 with a 12 month 10,000 mile warranty. Or what is more likely to happen is that the fat union bosses will suddenly be enjoying 7 figure incomes with huge retirement bonuses while telling the dumb masses that work for them that they have to layoff 6000 workers because they are loosing money and then ship those 6000 jobs to China

Amazing how everyone jumps on the Unions.I bet none of you Anti - Union people would take a pay cut at your job so why should they? And talk being at work 8 hours and only actually working 3 ? lololololol, White collar workers are notorious for being on the internet, around the water cooler,coffee machine, out to lunch, shopping,etc. How many of you are reading this now that should be working?
And the part about ' enjoying a 7 figure income... etc.' this would not be the Union boss, this would be White collar management looking for
a bigger profit margin so as to advance their career. The greed of Corporate America has no conscience.

Hey bro I am in a class right now for my company that runs 12 hours a day I have been in RTP NC for 2 weeks straight now through the weekend. I travel extensively and I will work 8-12 hours a day when I am on the road. This class will help me improve my skills and I get paid a good amount I am always upgrading my skills and working on certifications because the computer industry changes on an hourly basis. But I can lose my job tomorrow. That's life, the unions try to guarantee a job to people who should not be making 30.00 and hour to tighten screws on an oil pan on an engine coming down and assembly line.  They want to make jobs/pensions/health care a cradle to grave right for everyone but nothing is guaranteed in life, including jobs, marriages anything. T And I have been in many companies in the past where I have taken up to a 10% pay cut.

That's why unions are in trouble. They make people believe that high pay for low skills is a right bestowed to us by what ever company you work for.

I do not rely on the government or my company to take care of me and my family they are just a paycheck I work for them they pay me that is the arrangement that can be ended at any time and I understand that. They can do it because they control the purse strings I may not like it but like I said that is life and life is not fair.  Unions want you to believe that unfairness in life should not happen and if it does that the govt should step in and put a stop to it. Problem is that you can never take away the unfairness of life...............

[bull]

Well, it would certainly be a dose of reality if they believe they would turn a profit by asking the average Joe to pay more for a car, but I don't think they'll do that.

The goal of unions is certainly not all bad and certainly not all good but at least they all pay lip service to wanting to protect the rights of workers (and some of them actually do it). In a way it would be a cool experiment to see how they would mingle union ideals with employee-owner ideals and corporate ideals, which often times are not all that compatible. But I would kind of hate to see them use Chrysler as the laboratory for that experiment. Who knows, maybe they'll make it a non-profit organization. Those people get paid very well too.

[73dodge]

Well, it would certainly be a dose of reality if they believe they would turn a profit by asking the average Joe to pay more for a car, but I don't think they'll do that.

The goal of unions is certainly not all bad and certainly not all good but at least they all pay lip service to wanting to protect the rights of workers (and some of them actually do it). In a way it would be a cool experiment to see how they would mingle union ideals with botemployee-owner ideals and corporate ideals, which often times are not all that compatible. But I would kind of hate to see them use Chrysler as the laboratory for that experiment. Who knows, maybe they'll make it a non-profit organization. Those people get paid very well too.

People will stand up and say that unions are the best thing for everyone, some people like me think unions are a scourge on America. My mother in laws father worked in the West Virginia coal mines where the company bosses took advantage of the miners by low pay, dangerous conditions, and long hours in an environment that would kill you in 10 years. The unions were the only ones looking out for those guys I say thank God for the coal miners union.  People hold on to the sentimentality that unions are always good and looking out for the American workers job. Wrong!!! They are only looking out for union jobs. People will tell you about greedy white collar guys, but guess what people are people some are greedy and some are not, some of the greedy are running unions some are running businesses. just because you are in a union does not make you automatically not greedy.

The bottom line is that Unions do not create jobs!!!

People that have drive and incentive create companies and provide jobs for people and whether you like it or not the incentive for people to create businesses is to make money and make tons of money!!! You will call that greed but 1 guy who starts out in his garage selling things or building a business over years will do more good for this country than 100 unions put together. Because his goal is to grow and make money, when he grows he employs people and pays them. The bigger he gets the more people he can hire. a union will only come in after a person has built a business over the years and demand that the owner pay his employees more and more.

Nothing is guaranteed in life and no one not the unions, not the democrats, not the president can guarantee a person has the right to a job or that life should be fair.

[greenpigs]

What has your union done for you lately

Take a 33% pay cut and then HELP close the doors 3 years later...I left over 2 years ago.

[Doright]

A lot of big talk for NON union workers!
I am union and proud
I took a 30,000 a year pay cut too save my company non union workers gave nothing! all so my BIG bosses could take Milions in stock payments last week. They artificially inflated the earnings and stock value by selling off all the spare parts and farming out work to third party's.
Next time you have a flight delay thank a Mechanic for saying no the plane is not safe to fly and the company is scrambling to find a part some were in the world.
Thank the Mechanic who Say's no it cant fly as Pilots will fly any thing! (Pilot error come to mind)

I can fly any were in the world I want too as Can my Family AND I refuse too You couldn't pay me triple time to get on a plane now days!
I also refuse to let any of my family fly on ANY Airline as they are all doing the same things!
The flying public needs to know Planes are not as safe as they once were! Next time your on one of your business trips just think! Would the mechanic get on this thing? I WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT DEAD ON THAT THING FOR NOTHING!!!!!!
YOU THINK THE PILOT IS COOL HEADED AND CAN HANDLE IT, 90% COULDN'T FIND THERE ASSES WITH A Road MAP!!!!!

Unions are good, and YES they have there BAD things as well and yes there are guy's sitting around not doing squat shit only because there the Bosses pet or the boss wont mess with him. Then there's the rest of us union brothers and sisters that want the POS gone more than Mg mt! But Mg mt wont go after the guy or girl
Or how about Workers rights Thank you Unions! Workers comp thank you Unions! fare wages Thank you unions! 

Most guy's my age have had it with all the BS in the industry you work your arse off learning all this crap years in school and buying thousands of dollars in tools yet the guy picking up my trash, or the A/C repair guy or the Plumber in a non union job makes just as much and doesn't have any responsibility.
Go ahead keep shopping for that cheapest airfare when they take my Pension I'm gone as are 90% of all the rest of my co workers and you think the planes are bad now just Waite when guy's are working on them that don't know how to fix em and keep em going. And when they cant find any one too do it for ten bucks an hour watch how fast they open the flood gates to foreign workers to come in and do it.
Theres a little thing about Involuntary Manslaughter and lawyers fee who can afford it and OH by the way I looked into Malpractice insurance for my profession I am UN-INSURABLE!as are all my coworkers!Too much liability! But they will give your doctor insurance and he doesn't even piss in a cup on demand. 
But yet the Pilots make all the big bucks for turning a few dials and pushing some buttons.

Then there is Delta airlines ALL non union ground work force! BANKRUPT! Big management Drove her into the ground Plain and simple oh blame the greedy Pilots or the over paid Stewardess both of which are home about a week and a half a month!
I don't care who you are in the airline industry its a hard life hard on family's, as far as finding a new job your dam right I'm looking now Airlines suck!
Tell a friend.

Pilot responsibility ends when he gets off the plane
A Mechanics responsible for any thing and every thing he signs for or installs until some one else inspects it or replaces that part more times than not thats for the life of the plane!
I get off my box

[Doright]

OH GO FOR IT UAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put me down for at least two new cars when it happens!

[73dodge]

OH GO FOR IT UAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put me down for at least two new cars when it happens!

Yup non union and proud too. Oh and in case I did not mention it before
I have this many years in unions

4 years in the UCFW
3 Years in the UAW


I will never ever work for a company that has a union period!!! Sorry your job sucks dude, my company has laid off close to 80,000 people in the last 5 years. Right now they are setting up an engineering division in Mexico and hiring boat loads of college grads to do what I do. They are outsourcing our call center to india. Yep it sucks I don't see myself here in the next 3 years because I'll either get laid off or the doors will close. My company has lost billions over the last several years but the last few because of fools in the accounting department can't balance the books properly and we keep having to restate our profits for the last several years incurring the wrath of Sarbanes Oxley. CEO a few years ago got caught cooking the books and was fired AFTER he got his 10 million dollar bonus. But no union is going to prevent that. Like I said that is life and it stinks sometimes.....................

[Doright]

Oh and thats just OK with you?

Man go read Lee Iaccoca's new book good reading
ITS not unions fault its big mg mt and the Board of directors of these big companies fault and many many other factors as well . Not to mention the dam Government allowing our big companies to go out side the US for cheap labor.

Our jobs should never ever be farmed out over sea's!   
Any time I speak to some one in India I will never buy that company's product's again!
You have choices as do I.
Right is Right and wrong is wrong, buying the cheapest product gets you just that the cheapest product and is why I wont fly any more!
Flying is expensive and was never intended for the Masses but only for the super rich and that day is coming very quickly Waite just a few more Majors to take a real good dump into Bankruptcy And only the rich will fly again!
It will be down to the big three all separating the Planet. thatle be 5k ea to New york and 10k ea to London

OH and 7 years ain't squat in any union shop you know that, thats why you jumped too mg mt. good luck finding a new job when yours job is farmed out me I have my skills and tools I can do any thing I want. But I dought I go back to wrenching on Jets again.

[73dodge]

Oh and thats just OK with you?

Man go read Lee Iaccoca's new book good reading
ITS not unions fault its big mg mt and the Board of directors of these big companies fault and many many other factors as well . Not to mention the dam Government allowing our big companies to go out side the US for cheap labor.

Our jobs should never ever be farmed out over sea's!   
Any time I speak to some one in India I will never buy that company's product's again!
You have choices as do I.
Right is Right and wrong is wrong, buying the cheapest product gets you just that the cheapest product and is why I wont fly any more!
Flying is expensive and was never intended for the Masses but only for the super rich and that day is coming very quickly Waite just a few more Majors to take a real good dump into Bankruptcy And only the rich will fly again!
It will be down to the big three all separating the Planet. thatle be 5k ea to New york and 10k ea to London

OH and 7 years ain't squat in any union shop you know that, thats why you jumped too mg mt. good luck finding a new job when yours job is farmed out me I have my skills and tools I can do any thing I want. But I dought I go back to wrenching on Jets again.

Uh I didn't "jump" to management, I am a worker just like you, the UAW job went away when they laid everyone off. Funny when I was a member and when the layoffs were coming it was amazing how fast the union hacks stabbed me in the back. I am not going to go into it why they did but lets say that when the going got tough it was every man for himself in the "brotherhood".

And lets face it the UCFW I was making more money than my father was at the time packing grocery bags??? Come on is that right? My dad was killing himself supporting a family and here I was at 18 making 3000 more a year than him packing grocery bags.

And for it being OK with me that my company CEO took off making 10mil for a bonus after wrecking the company no it's not really OK with me but what am I going to do about it? Sit around all day and moan about how greedy that one guy was and how unfair it is that he got off and that jobs are going to india? Nope why bother like I said life is unfair get used to it and stop blaming others for your troubles. You take that attitude and you will spend the rest of your days bitching and moaning about how unfair this is or how unfair that is or what a jerk my boss is. And that is the reason I won't join a union because unions foster that attitude. Everyone sitting around bitching about how unfair everything is. Right isn't that a favorite union picket sign "Company UNFAIR to it's employees" or "UNFAIR labor agreement"

Well have fun bitching about everything being unfair. After all it took the JAPS in the 70's and 80's for the American Big Three to finally produce a car that did not have to be taken back to the dealer every week for three months after you bought it to fix all the crap that was wrong with it. If it weren't for the JAPS we will still be putting up with the same crappy old American made cars.

[RD]

how many times has this topic come up?  I cannot count them... and boy I do not want to do a search on it.

Face it fellaz, there are pro's and there are con's, its up to you to decide if one outweighs the other..... but realize this, by typing on this forum, you will not get the other guy that you are typing at to agree with you.  its kinda like this 

[73dodge]

how many times has this topic come up?  I cannot count them... and boy I do not want to do a search on it.

Face it fellaz, there are pro's and there are con's, its up to you to decide if one outweighs the other..... but realize this, by typing on this forum, you will not get the other guy that you are typing at to agree with you.  its kinda like this 

I agree with you, you can't say one is better than the other because bottom line people are running both ends people run unions people run companies. People are greedy, selfish, stupid, hateful, back stabbers etc etc etc........
So to say that one is automatically better than the others is nothing. It's all in about how you approach life you can either spend your life bitching and moaning about things or you can check your attitude and do the best job with whatever hand you are dealt with.

[HDCharger]

Well I for one don't see a problem with paying a decent wage (Union or Not) to a man who puts in his/her 8 hours.  Is it not OK for a man.woman to make enough money to feed his family and have a few luxury items?  No union man I know is getting rich by any stretch.  of course there are those that will abuse the system and I can tell you for a fact once you get that reputation no employer wants you.  Union can/is a good thing although I have never and probably will never vote for the democratic party again. The democratic party of old is gone.  Try and please everyone you please no one. I work for a union company and I can tell you most everyone there bust his tail everyday.  Sure we are working for the man and the man is making most the money. Unless we change we are going to have the rich and poor in this country.  Something is wrong when Ford, GM and Dodge are going out of country and Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes are building in this country.  Corporate greed!  The American people sit idly by while our jobs are being taken not only to foreign countries but taken here at home too.  What happened to the laws about military armament having to be made in the US?  What happens when they don't agree with our foreign policy?  heck, I've done got off topic.  Let the UAW have Chrysler or else it may be gone forever.  The Germans didn't do us all bad.  Was anyone ever going to bring back the Hemi?  Charger? Challenger?  Not exactly to my liking but its all we got unless we want to drive a Ford or Chevy.

[John_Kunkel]

No union man I know is getting rich by any stretch. 

Except maybe the union leaders. I remember accompanying a friend to his local to collect his picket line check, parked in front were Caddies and Lincolns.

[bull]

Our union treasurer swiped hundreds of thousands of dollars from a long-term care fund to "allegedly" pay for a gambling addiction and now he's facing jail time. I don't know how much he was making before he stole the money and got canned but I know it was a lot more than I make.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/5961056.html

[HDCharger]

Pipefitters had the same thing happen with the "Retirement" fund.  My dad lost alot in his retirement as did many other across the country.  We  younger (42-Guess thats not that young) guys are paying in the try and build it back for those guys.  There are many crooks out there for sure.  Dave

[hemigeno]

how many times has this topic come up?  I cannot count them... and boy I do not want to do a search on it.

Face it fellaz, there are pro's and there are con's, its up to you to decide if one outweighs the other..... but realize this, by typing on this forum, you will not get the other guy that you are typing at to agree with you.  its kinda like this 

That pretty much says it all.  No need to let this degenerate any further...