Ebay's retards, losers, and vile potty mouths

[Big Lebowski]

   So I'm selling some Roadrunner/Charger parts on E-bay and some guy bids $100 on a '70 Roadrunner pass. door. Ok, opening bid is $65 and $100 was reserve met. So this clown advertised to everyone what my reserve was for a whole day, then re-tracted his bid. His explaination was the usual..."Bidded wrong amount".
       So I checked his Ebay history and saw his 46 other BID RETRACTIONS...So I sent him this....

    "Thanks for revealing my reserve price to everyone, then backing out. I hear alot of people do it on purpose. Don't bid on my Mopar stuff any more or I'll cancel your bid."

       He sent back this...

   "you know what F*CK YOU DUDE!! I was the only bidder on the piece of shit. It wasnt worth the 100.00 plus shipping cost!!"

      So I sent this...

   "Thanks, you can add it to your other 46 bid cancallations. People can see for themselves that you bid on things you never intend to buy."

      So of course he replied...

    "look ass hole look at my number of transactions and look at yours dont tell me i never intend on buying anything. So go f yourself!!!"

      And I replied...

    "By your language, I'm guessing your 12 years old. Does your mommie know you're on the computer?"

     He must be having a bad night, with it being Easter and all. Can't you just feel the love?





     

[69bronzeT5]

   So I'm selling some Roadrunner/Charger parts on E-bay and some guy bids $100 on a '70 Roadrunner pass. door. Ok, opening bid is $65 and $100 was reserve met. So this clown advertised to everyone what my reserve was for a whole day, then re-tracted his bid. His explaination was the usual..."Bidded wrong amount".
       So I checked his Ebay history and saw his 46 other BID RETRACTIONS...So I sent him this....

    "Thanks for revealing my reserve price to everyone, then backing out. I hear alot of people do it on purpose. Don't bid on my Mopar stuff any more or I'll cancel your bid."

       He sent back this...

   "you know what F*CK YOU DUDE!! I was the only bidder on the piece of shit. It wasnt worth the 100.00 plus shipping cost!!"

      So I sent this...

   "Thanks, you can add it to your other 46 bid cancallations. People can see for themselves that you bid on things you never intend to buy."

      So of course he replied...

    "look ass hole look at my number of transactions and look at yours dont tell me i never intend on buying anything. So go f yourself!!!"

      And I replied...

    "By your language, I'm guessing your 12 years old. Does your mommie know you're on the computer?"

     He must be having a bad night, with it being Easter and all. Can't you just feel the love?





     

I go on Ebay but only to check stuff out when Im bored. Ive only bought two thing though. Post some links up of the stuff you're selling. I wouldnt mind checking it out

[71ChallengeHer]

What a jerk.

[69bronzeT5]

What a jerk.

(The guy is a jerk, not you Big Lebowski)

[Big Lebowski]

   So I'm selling some Roadrunner/Charger parts on E-bay and some guy bids $100 on a '70 Roadrunner pass. door. Ok, opening bid is $65 and $100 was reserve met. So this clown advertised to everyone what my reserve was for a whole day, then re-tracted his bid. His explaination was the usual..."Bidded wrong amount".
       So I checked his Ebay history and saw his 46 other BID RETRACTIONS...So I sent him this....

    "Thanks for revealing my reserve price to everyone, then backing out. I hear alot of people do it on purpose. Don't bid on my Mopar stuff any more or I'll cancel your bid."

       He sent back this...

   "you know what F*CK YOU DUDE!! I was the only bidder on the piece of shit. It wasnt worth the 100.00 plus shipping cost!!"

      So I sent this...

   "Thanks, you can add it to your other 46 bid cancallations. People can see for themselves that you bid on things you never intend to buy."

      So of course he replied...

    "look ass hole look at my number of transactions and look at yours dont tell me i never intend on buying anything. So go f yourself!!!"

      And I replied...

    "By your language, I'm guessing your 12 years old. Does your mommie know you're on the computer?"

     He must be having a bad night, with it being Easter and all. Can't you just feel the love?





     

I go on Ebay but only to check stuff out when Im bored. Ive only bought two thing though. Post some links up of the stuff you're selling. I wouldnt mind checking it out

  Check the ebay section, it's there.

[Hondo66charger]

i really hate trying to sell stuff on ebay, you get so much crap from people who have no intention of bidding just a lot of nose trouble.
it also bugs the crap out of me to see all the know it alls  sending sellers  emails telling them what their stuff really is or how much its worth.

I'm beginning to think that some poeple think  hanging out on ebay and correcting peoples ads is what they do for a life cause they  dont have one of their own.

I had some stuff for sale on the bay last year that came directly off my car and had at least 5 different people tell me that the parts did not come from a 66 charger.

enough ranting for me.
good luck with your   items and lets hope you dont get anymore a**holes.

Duane

[69bronzeT5]

I just looked and I didnt find any of your items

[Big Lebowski]

I just looked and I didnt find any of your items

  It's here in the DC ebay section...

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,26971.0.html

[kab69440]

My only gripe about eBay is sellers who do not leave feedback. I go out of my way to make sure I leave it within 24 hours of receiving the item I won in an auction. Even a lot of sellers who advertise how much it means to them seemingly don't bother to return the favor. Seems they could come up with a system that if one of the parties does not leave a feedback, he/she will not receive the one left for them. Maybe I am just being petty, I dunno...

[69bronzeT5]

I just looked and I didnt find any of your items

  It's here in the DC ebay section...

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,26971.0.html

Found em now. Thanx

[Big Lebowski]

My only gripe about eBay is sellers who do not leave feedback. I go out of my way to make sure I leave it within 24 hours of receiving the item I won in an auction. Even a lot of sellers who advertise how much it means to them seemingly don't bother to return the favor. Seems they could come up with a system that if one of the parties does not leave a feedback, he/she will not receive the one left for them. Maybe I am just being petty, I dunno...

  That happens to me too. The other guy has 1227 feedbacks and he doesn't care that we have 31 in my case, so they just blow you off.

[Fitz73Chrgr]

That makes me mad as well.  I also hate when people make posts to criticize your asking price on a forum sale board, and they have absolutely no intentions of buying the car.

[TripleBlackGator]

My only gripe about eBay is sellers who do not leave feedback. I go out of my way to make sure I leave it within 24 hours of receiving the item I won in an auction. Even a lot of sellers who advertise how much it means to them seemingly don't bother to return the favor. Seems they could come up with a system that if one of the parties does not leave a feedback, he/she will not receive the one left for them. Maybe I am just being petty, I dunno...

I have had the same experience. My feedback would be 33% more if all the sellers I bought from left feedback for me. I asked one seller why they didn't leave feedback for me and they responded that they were waiting to see if I would leave positive feedback for them first. Needless to say they are still waiting on mine and will be forever. The way I see it (as a seller also) is that if a buyer was friendly, informative, punctual with e-mails and payment that rates an automatic positive feedback in my book. I wouldn't wait to see what they thought of my item and business practices. Theres a word for all this. EXTORTION!

[70charger_boy]

I agree with all of you.  Ebay just totally sucks. That same retard that you had a problem with bid on my charger back in november.  He found out my reserve then had his bid retracted.  What a douchebag!!!  I just hate it when you spend an hour writing out a description puting in all the good and the bad about product and all these idiots could ask is "ah hey man, what is your reserve and do you have a buy it now?"  also, I really hate it when they wait until the last 13 seconds to bid on your stuff.  I'm going to give up on ebay and go to craigslist

[69bronzeT5]

Im probally never gonna sell on Ebay but I will buy again.

[70charger_boy]

I'll still buy on it just wont sell

[Steve P.]

There is good and bad to everything and everyone. Sorry i was such a dick BIG. No I'm just kidding. It wasn't me..   

The feedback thing pisses me off but more than that is the fact that if you leave bad feedback for someone else, they can dump a pile of BS back on you. I have NOT left bad feedback due to this. I bought a set of 11" backing plates that came to my house just a bit small. Like an inch small.. I got in touch with the seller and he basically told me to go F myself. I got with PAYPAL and they got every cent back including my shipping BOTH WAYS. They6 told me this guy has pulled the same sort of thing before and they did the same for the other buyers. If you look at the guys feedback it is 99.6% with over 800 sales. Again, Ebay needs to change the feedback rules. They make plenty enough money to put mediators online. When telling Ebay and Paypal about this idea I was doing this. 

[Big Lebowski]

There is good and bad to everything and everyone. Sorry i was such a dick BIG. No I'm just kidding. It wasn't me..   

The feedback thing pisses me off but more than that is the fact that if you leave bad feedback for someone else, they can dump a pile of BS back on you. I have NOT left bad feedback due to this. I bought a set of 11" backing plates that came to my house just a bit small. Like an inch small.. I got in touch with the seller and he basically told me to go F myself. I got with PAYPAL and they got every cent back including my shipping BOTH WAYS. They6 told me this guy has pulled the same sort of thing before and they did the same for the other buyers. If you look at the guys feedback it is 99.6% with over 800 sales. Again, Ebay needs to change the feedback rules. They make plenty enough money to put mediators online. When telling Ebay and Paypal about this idea I was doing this. 

  If you still need the 11" front backing plates, that's one of my ebay items. I'm not sure if the drums are re-usable because they're only 3/16 of an inch left on the thickness.

[GreenMachine]

I have had the same experience. My feedback would be 33% more if all the sellers I bought from left feedback for me. I asked one seller why they didn't leave feedback for me and they responded that they were waiting to see if I would leave positive feedback for them first. Needless to say they are still waiting on mine and will be forever. The way I see it (as a seller also) is that if a buyer was friendly, informative, punctual with e-mails and payment that rates an automatic positive feedback in my book. I wouldn't wait to see what they thought of my item and business practices. Theres a word for all this. EXTORTION!

When I'm selling, I always wait for the buyers feedback due to being screwed in the past. Some a@@hole bought a couple of my items and paid through Paypal, so I left positive feedback and shipped the package. A few days later I get an email from paypal saying the buyer never received the package. It's obvious this guy is scamming, since the package didn't have time to get to it's destination (China), and the guy wouldn't return my emails. Paypal found in favor of the buyer since I didn't hang on to my shipping receipt. In Paypal and Ebay's eyes the buyer is always right unless you can prove otherwise. Aparently he was doing this to other people at the same time because shortly after I saw he had a few Neg. feedbacks and a few days after that his account was closed. And of course I never received any of my money back. 

[69bananabeast]

I can relate some what not in the feedback category  , but in the selling .   I sold my Rolling '70  twice and both backed out . Here it is  over a year later and  I still have had many buyers backing out in my own city.   

[Big Lebowski]

  My buddy, another local Charger seller likes to advertise on e-bay but would actually prefer selling by telephone, that way, no ebay record, no local taxes etc. Uh huh.

[Steve P.]

Sorry Big, I was looking for 11" rear and found some local after that jack ass tried to screw me..

I looked at the stuff he and his wife were selling and I think his wife had her shit together but he is just a total ass... 

[Charger_Fan]

That does suck that some less than stellar people can give us regulars such a hard time sometimes. I have a guy I'm dealing with right now that hit the BIN on a $200 bike rim I'm selling, and I haven't heard from him since. I don't have this happen very often, maybe one in 50, but when I do, it sure sucks.
Do you know that you can actually block bidders from bidding on your stuff again? http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/manage_bidders_ov.html
You didn't say in your earlier post, maybe you already knew?

[Charger1973]

Ebays tough to deal with, you are bound to get screwed eventually.  Its one of the best places to sell things though.  I have had items I listed here for about 6 months in the classifieds with regular bumps and no sale.  I put it on ebay and I get 125-150% of what I was asking here, and its bought and paid for in a week.  I dont like to use ebay, but when you need some quick cash it can be a good thing.  You just have to use alot of precautions... 

The feedback system is a joke.  Its not the "right" way to do things, but I can say that I never leave a feedback first as a seller for the same reasons listed above.  I used to do things the "right" way, all the time until I got screwed over.  I sold my first Charger to a guy who showed up to pick the car up.  He was anything but friendly.  I had 15-20 pictures and described the car in detail.  It was a basketcase at the time and I threw in a bunch of extra parts too.  I even helped him load it on his trailer.  I left a positive feedback for him as soon as he left with the car and a week later I get a negative feedback saying that it wasnt as described, but still a good deal.  That was a kick in the nuts too, because I loved that car and was only selling it due to the fact that I was leaving for the Army. I didnt use ebay again for a long time. 

So last fall I decided to put one of my cars on ebay that I wasnt having much luck selling locally.  I had my girlfriend list it for me, because I didnt have an ebay account anymore.  A guy bid on the car and won the auction.  He emails me his phone number, and I call him, long distance, to discuss him coming to pick up the car.  He was to come and pay in cash. Well the day comes and goes and he never showed up.  I called back and got no answer,  so finally I had her file a non paying bidder report and he proceeds to tell ebay that I was scamming him.  That my name isnt the name on the account and he had my phone number looked up and it isnt in my name either (roommates phone).  So ebay closes her account based on what he told them and he gets off with not paying.  I was pissed.  Still am actually... 

I decided to make myself a new account after that and I admit that I am extra cautious anymore.  But you really have to be if you want to do business at all on there.  Selling is riskier than buying, but I have had bad experiences in both over the years.  Now, I always require immediate payment (or a $500 deposit on higher priced items like cars). 

[tecmopar]

Hey Big, if you still have his emails, contact Ebay and foward them to the abuse line. Its easy to block him from ever bidding on any of your items, good luck.

[nakita7]

Report him to Ebay. I've reported guys before. They have lots of checks and balances...

[Recharger]

My only gripe about eBay is sellers who do not leave feedback. I go out of my way to make sure I leave it within 24 hours of receiving the item I won in an auction. Even a lot of sellers who advertise how much it means to them seemingly don't bother to return the favor. Seems they could come up with a system that if one of the parties does not leave a feedback, he/she will not receive the one left for them. Maybe I am just being petty, I dunno...

So far I've only been a buyer on Ebay, and I can say that I'll never leave a seller a positive feedback first, and I disagree with any seller who demands I do so.  I understand Ebay's a risky market and you never really know who you're dealing with, but if you, as a seller, want feedback numbers it's your responsibility to start the process.  I've had a few selllers email me, requesting a positive feedback and saying how "appreciated" it would be.  I've replied to all of them the same way:  I held up my end of the deal before you held up yours, so you leave me a positive and then I'll do the same.  Never heard back from any of them.      

[Arigmaster]

That makes me mad as well.  I also hate when people make posts to criticize your asking price on a forum sale board, and they have absolutely no intentions of buying the car.

I posted my charger on E-Bay back in February because I found another that I really wanted and couldn't afford both of them. I set my reserve to what I had into the car less my time and nearly every question I got on the car was "what's the reserve?" (like I'm going to tell them)

Then when the price gets out of their range, they send messages telling me that what ever the reserve was, I'll never get it because the car isn't worth that much. I think it really is that it hurts their ego's when they don't have the money to spend on it so they bash it to make you look like your out of line on your price.

It was the first time I ever used E-bay to sell anything and will probably be the last. I also get a bunch of messages after the auction ended from people who said they didn't get their last bids in and wanted me to put the car in agan. So, I posted it for another week and not a single one of them placed a bid.

If I do put it up for sale again it will probably be on this site only because most of you here know in a "realistic" sense what it takes to put one of these cars together. In addition to that, I would rather sell it to someone who would appreciate the car and maybe take it to the next level...

[hemihead]

I have never sold anything on Ebay but bought a few things and( knock on wood) never had any problems.The one thing that does get me is
that you find an item for a decent price then look at the shipping. The shipping cost looks like the thing is being shipped by armored car with it'ss own security team guarding it. Now , I know that these inflated shipping costs are due to a seller wanting to make more money on the shipping. The greed of some people!

[Arigmaster]

The shipping cost looks like the thing is being shipped by armored car with it'ss own security team guarding it. Now , I know that these inflated shipping costs are due to a seller wanting to make more money on the shipping. The greed of some people!

I would agree if it is something shipped through a parcel carrier (UPS, DHL, FedEx) but on some of the larger items you are much better off setting up your own shipping. One thing you will have to keep in mind is the type of shipment (crated, palletized, blanket wrap) and type of service. (dock to dock, lift gate, business or residential) those all effect the cost. Not to mention, fuel costs and sur-charges out there. Most companys are at 19% right now and it will be going up to 23% by June. (maybe more)
The other thing that will effect the cost is cargo insurance if you choose to have it. Depending on the declared value, most places will only have a $.05 per pound liability if you don't declare a value or insure the part.

[wetfeetmi]

 There is a simple solution. When you sell, never use a reserve. Every item I have sold has no reserve. If you have to high of a reserve, you don't know the market as well as you think you do. It also weeds out alot of idiots. It also has never dissapointed me with the selling price. It is always low until very near the end and always surpasses my expectations.  This is how an auction should be! Try it next time.

[dkn1997]

on feedback, I don't wait for the buyer to leave it.  As a seller,  I get the money and I leave the feedback.  If the guy wants to neg me after he gets the item, fine.  I have had over 100 ebay transactions and no negs yet.  I have had 2 buyers with problems.  one was with a dash I sold him that he shipped back and I fixed.  another was a tag watch I sold for a friend.  they guy said the face was not perfect (used watch, what did he expect?)  anyway, I just took it back with a smile.  In both cases, I lost a few bucks on shipping, but in the grand scheme of things, I have made enough money to justify that. 

If someone negs you after you left positive, you can respond to it and all future bidders can see you explanation.  If the rest of your feedback is good, then potential bidders can see the negative feedback for what it is:  the rantings of a douche. 

Ebay definately needs to adjust feedback rules though, I probably have over 130 transactions, and never got feedback from about 20 people.  It should be required.  maybe they should make a check box so you can do a "one click" positive feedback and you would only have to comment if you felt like it. 

maybe make it so that they buyer cannot leave feedback if the seller has not yet.  the buyer could click a "notify" button if he tries to leave feedback after receiving an item but the seller has not left it yet.  immediately, the seller is banned from bidding or listing any new items until he leaves the feedback. 

[hemihead]

Here's another thing , why do people start at $0.00 if they won't take less than a specific amount for an item? Why not just start the bidding at your lowest acceptable price?

[kab69440]

The shipping cost looks like the thing is being shipped by armored car with it'ss own security team guarding it. Now , I know that these inflated shipping costs are due to a seller wanting to make more money on the shipping. The greed of some people!

I would agree if it is something shipped through a parcel carrier (UPS, DHL, FedEx) but on some of the larger items you are much better off setting up your own shipping. One thing you will have to keep in mind is the type of shipment (crated, palletized, blanket wrap) and type of service. (dock to dock, lift gate, business or residential) those all effect the cost. Not to mention, fuel costs and sur-charges out there. Most companys are at 19% right now and it will be going up to 23% by June. (maybe more)
The other thing that will effect the cost is cargo insurance if you choose to have it. Depending on the declared value, most places will only have a $.05 per pound liability if you don't declare a value or insure the part.

I believe Hemihead is talking about sellers who use shipping to blatantly rip-off people who hit the BIN without reading the auction first. For instance, a little over 6 months ago, I was going to bid on a pair of 66-67 rear interior panels. They were very nice condition and offered at a starting bid of  $100. Then I look at the shipping from Iowa, I believe. "Buyer to pay additional fee of  $50 for packaging and shipping" Thanks but no thanks. I sent an entire 70 style rear seat and a few miscellaneous pieces to Kansas for $62, I believe it was. I can understand things like gearboxes and such requiring the building of an actual crate for shipping, but come on. If it really is that much trouble for you to stuff an item in a box with some crumpled newspaper and drop it off at UPS...  The ones I finally ended up purchasing were not in primo shape, but were shipped at cost. $20@ BIN $12 and spare change each to ship, IIRC

[dkn1997]

Shipping is the latest way for every business, ebay or not, to rip you off.  whenever you buy anything online, always look at the shipping.  it's such a scam.  People like to bitch about Summitt, but for that measly 8 bucks, at least you know what you are getting into.  as long as you wait a bit and don't buy just one 20 dollar item, you will do ok.

I got bit in that ass by an ebay scam artist.  I read the auction for a dewalt 18v drill.  the BIN was reasonable and the shipping said "we only charge actual shipping costs"  they did not list the cost, but my thinking was actual cost would be reasonable, so I bought it.  they hit me with some 20 buck charge.  when I bitched, he said he has a "packing service" some pick up his ebay items and ship them. so they charged him that and he was charging me "actual price"  what a dildo.  I don't buy anything anymore unless it lists a flat shipping fee in the auction.  you cannot trust anyone so unless it's 100% in writing, I stay away.

ever see ebay auctions for computer stuff, like memory cards for digital cameras?  the card will cost you 12 bucks, but the shipping is $8....for an item that will fit into an envelope and can be sent for under a dollar.  scumbags

[Drache]

Here's another thing , why do people start at $0.00 if they won't take less than a specific amount for an item? Why not just start the bidding at your lowest acceptable price?

From $0 - 0.99 costs one amount to list and then it starts going up after that!

[Charger1973]

Here's another thing , why do people start at $0.00 if they won't take less than a specific amount for an item? Why not just start the bidding at your lowest acceptable price?

From $0 - 0.99 costs one amount to list and then it starts going up after that!

Lower starting price = more people watching the auction

[Big Lebowski]

  My one and only neg. feedback was from a Scwhinn bike that I sold for a friend. I took pictures that made the bike look "too good". Even though I described the bike as original with lots of scratches, he said..."Where's the bike in the pictures!!!!" So I got a neg. feedback and he's a loon, maybe he's been watching too much X-files on acid.

[GreenMachine]

I have never sold anything on Ebay but bought a few things and( knock on wood) never had any problems.The one thing that does get me is
that you find an item for a decent price then look at the shipping. The shipping cost looks like the thing is being shipped by armored car with it'ss own security team guarding it. Now , I know that these inflated shipping costs are due to a seller wanting to make more money on the shipping. The greed of some people!

   Some people will set a low buy it now price and make up for it with shipping. I think they do that just to get around Ebay's fees. So, as the buyer, you're still getting a resonable price.

[Drache]

I have never sold anything on Ebay but bought a few things and( knock on wood) never had any problems.The one thing that does get me is
that you find an item for a decent price then look at the shipping. The shipping cost looks like the thing is being shipped by armored car with it'ss own security team guarding it. Now , I know that these inflated shipping costs are due to a seller wanting to make more money on the shipping. The greed of some people!

   Some people will set a low buy it now price and make up for it with shipping. I think they do that just to get around Ebay's fees. So, as the buyer, you're still getting a resonable price.

Ebay is slowly trying to stop that practice. If you sell something such as a video game system it automatically lists the weight of the item. They used to have it so you also had to input the box size as well but I think they got away with that. I never bid on an item till I find out the cost of the item and then I do a little detective work to see if they are inflating the cost too much. Just ask the seller their box size and the weight of the item, get a shipping quote from the post office website and there you go.

I once told a seller to ship the item to me COD since that cost, although higher than what the true price should have been for shipping, was still cheaper than what he was asking!

[Silver R/T]

Ebay should put limit on how many retractions you can have per year. Sorry about your bad experience on there, should report him to ebay.

[Dave22443]

I actually buy a lot of stuff off ebay.  I live in the sticks and a lot of times its the easiest way I can find a lot of what I'm looking for.  As a buyer, I have always gotten mad that sellers won't leave feedback until after you do.  I agree with the comment above, its extorsion for a buyer to hold feedback until after the seller does.  As a buyer, I bid, and I pay.  Once thats done, I've met my obligations and I expect feedback.

The last seller that did that to me I hit with the red bang.  I said he had poor communications (made me email him several times before he would finally ship - I payed with paypal), it took him a month to get it to me (a water bottle!) and then never left me feedback.  So I red banged him.  A few days later, he red bangs me because I red banged him.  On top of all that, he calls me a jerk (in the feedback) because I left him negative before he even left feedback.  I replied back (in the feedback response) that I waited a month, what was he waiting for???  And he called me a jerk.  Jeesh!

As for selling, I just sold an intake that I had.  It was a nice intake that I had paid a little over $100 for off ebay.  Well, turned out I couldn't use it so back on ebay it went.  Not being a seller, I figured what the heck, I'd follow the suggestions.  I listed it with a starting bid of only $25.00, a fixed shipping rate anywhere in the U.S. for $15.00 and no reserve.

7 Days later and I had $142.50 waiting for me at the local Western Union.  So its all good. 

[AKcharger]

I've bought and sold...all good.

[BigBlockSam]

My only gripe about eBay is sellers who do not leave feedback. 

that sucks. thats why i don't leave feedback till they leave me feedback. Rene

[charge-it]

Hey Big, if you still have his emails, contact Ebay and foward them to the abuse line. Its easy to block him from ever bidding on any of your items, good luck.

Good idea, just in case he ever sells you a hurst shifter box that isn`t what he says it is...