anyone know about these guys rebuilding a charger for 20K?

[MikeMacCham]

I saw some guys on ebay that say they'll rebuild a 69 charger for 22,000, has anyone heard of them and a good or bad experience?
"tunerdynamics" or these guys...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-GENERAL-LEE_W0QQitemZ300095599902QQcategoryZ6199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[BB1]

Could be a fake ad.

[Troy]

They build them on request in 3-4 weeks??? Rebuilt 383 with "Approximately 450 HP" I am not sure my idea of "redone" is the same as theirs but I can't see how they can "redo" all those things on the car with quality parts (including shipping!) and still hit that price. They are relatively close to me in Indiana so maybe I'll see if I can swing by for a visit.

Troy

[hemigeno]

They gotta be doing a "spray and pray" paint job for that price, and especially in that timeframe.  As with so many other things in life, you get what you pay for.

If they started with a completely rust-free Charger body, they might be able to get some thing close to a decent finished product, but how many rust-free Chargers are left, or would cost that much by themselves before any "conversion"?

[HITMAN 149]

i have seen ads similar to them...stating they will build you a charger...but the catch is you have to supply your car!!! what they are offering is "the RESTO"? don't know if this is what they are doing or not..or  could be a SCAAAAAM!!!!!!??

[mikepmcs]

they changed their ebay user id in the last 30 days.  it was  topendperform.  anyone know anything on the previous id?
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Mike

[bull]

i have seen ads similar to them...stating they will build you a charger...but the catch is you have to supply your car!!! what they are offering is "the RESTO"? don't know if this is what they are doing or not..or  could be a SCAAAAAM!!!!!!??

Even if you provide the car $22k is not going to get you a quality restoration job. It can get you a show quality paint job but that's about it.

[HITMAN 149]

oh cmon bull... you can't tell me that if  you supply the car ...that an extra 22K wouldn't finish it!!!
don't discourage me, cause that about my budget with the car!!!!!!!! 

[Charger_Fan]

They gotta be doing a "spray and pray" paint job for that price, and especially in that timeframe. 

"Spray & pray"...I love it!

[jasonfromIKILLYA]

oh cmon bull... you can't tell me that if  you supply the car ...that an extra 22K wouldn't finish it!!!
don't discourage me, cause that about my budget with the car!!!!!!!! 

man, I have half of that in mine and I haven't touched the body or the suspension!  Unless you've got a car in great shape already or you're not taking it to the frame, I don't see 22k being near enough. 

[MikeMacCham]

so then what do you guys think a good price is for a first car that I can drive and learn on? and where's the best place to look? For 68 to 70 charger, and whats the price difference looking at Se's and R/t's V.S. your standard Charger with a aftermarket 383 in it..?

[mikepmcs]

Mike,

Use the ask the seller a question option on the ebay listing.  ask him for phone number info and stuff like that.  Use some of the questions on this thread, like the one HITMAN posted.  Do they supply the vehicle, etc.....

If they give you info than be patient and like Troy said maybe he will go check it out for you.  Find out their address and numbers.  If they are a legit business then they will give you this info as it's not a residence.

If they don't answer or skirt the questions, then we move on from there.

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Mike

[69bronzeT5]

Isnt this a coincidence???



Picture of the so called interior of the Ebay car:





Picture off the 69 Charger registry:




There the same picture. I think we got a scam here! (The Ebay icon is in both pics because I only felt like uploading one pic but go look at the registry gallery and you'll see it!)

[bull]

oh cmon bull... you can't tell me that if  you supply the car ...that an extra 22K wouldn't finish it!!!
don't discourage me, cause that about my budget with the car!!!!!!!! 

I don't want to discourage you but...

If you figure in a decent amount for labor I don't see how they can do a very good job if you drop off a project car and pick it up finished. I was quoted $20k just in bodywork and paint. They started on it but I ran out of funds and now the Charger is sitting in the garage in primer after $13k in bodywork and another $2k in parts (no block sanding and no paint yet). Add to that the price I paid for the car ($5,500) plus the money I have yet to earn and spend on it to finish. I'm hoping another $15k will cover the cost of finishing it but I'm not going to hold my breath. If it does I'll have a total of about $40k into it counting the purchase price. If not,

It doesn't have to get done in six months though. At least all the rust is gone and it's straight. It's not going anywhere and I've gotten a large portion of the overall project done. All I need now is $$$$.

[HITMAN 149]

OH BOY!!!!!!!! now i'm startin to worrrry!!!!!!! 

[wetfeetmi]

 Hey Troy, where exactly do you live?  Rick

[Troy]

Hey Troy, where exactly do you live?  Rick

Northwest of Cincinnati, OH - but I like to drive and it seems that I'm constantly making trips between PA, MI, IN, IL, and TN.

Troy

[MikeMacCham]

Mike,

Use the ask the seller a question option on the ebay listing.  ask him for phone number info and stuff like that.  Use some of the questions on this thread, like the one HITMAN posted.  Do they supply the vehicle, etc.....

If they give you info than be patient and like Troy said maybe he will go check it out for you.  Find out their address and numbers.  If they are a legit business then they will give you this info as it's not a residence.

If they don't answer or skirt the questions, then we move on from there.

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Mike

yeah I will check into it, thanks guys! So what is a good price for a drivable (still needs some, like interior or mechanical, work) 68-70?

[Silver R/T]

for 22K theyll make you a GL clone, something like HLpag does?

[MikeMacCham]

yeah, thats why i was asking on here after finding out about HLpag, he gave me the phone number and address..
and said:
"Yes, supply everything including the car.  The buyer is responsible for pick/up and/or shipping.  One of our staff takes a lot of calls, his name is Darrin.  His number is 812-236-7609.  He would be happy to take any of your calls.  All mail is sent to 3157 N. 16th Street, Terre Haute, IN 47804.  Please feel free to send any more questions. Look forward to doing business with you"
there was another guy claiming to do GL's for 20K but hasn't responded yet.

[jasonfromIKILLYA]

I think we got a scam here!

They don't claim that you're buying the charger in the picture.  They claim to build you one like it.  Of course, that begs why they wouldn't post pictures of one of the cars they built.

[mikepmcs]

wait. i'm confused now.  the first ad you are talking about included shipping in the price(a hefty cost at that)

your last post you said buyer responsible for shipping.  who we talking about here?  Is the seller HLPAG?


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Mike

[MikeMacCham]

Yeah, sorry Mike
That is probably the second one. I must have confused them because there were 2 seperate places saying that they would build you the car for around the same price. The one that said they included shipping has not responded back.

[mikepmcs]

K,
I'm back in the game now.

[69DodgeCharger]

Wow sounds like a deal. The last "scam" I saw like this on ebay was some place out of Texas I believe and the opening bid or maybe it was buy it now was 73,000+ and I believe you had to supply the car, but I might be wrong about that. Some people should be kicked and beaten...........hard!

[bull]

I hate to recite an old saying but it's appropriate, "If it sounds too good to be true it probably is."

[MikeMacCham]

ok so I originally asked two guys about building one for around the same price and it looks like they work together, here is what the second one says:
"Hello yes that includes a Car, our address is 3142 North 17th Terre Haute Indiana 47804. We have two to three guys that help us build these cars. My parterner Andy Lee is the website/designer, I do the engines interior, and Joe does restoration and paint. Some replica's sell for $30,000 to $45,000 some even up to $75,000. We have a 2 bay garage we restore the car, then it goes to joe's body shop. We can do a contract agreement signed by myself and Andy Lee so that we are both protected. We try to do the Best Job possible and feel we are one of the best companies oppose to pricing and getting the job done fast. We can do some other Custom things such more performance and a few custom options for $25,000 but meaning roll bar and a little extra crome here and there. Here is my phone number 1-812-236-7609 a good time to call me is 10:00 a.m. on Apirl 5th. Thank you very much for your interests and let me know when you want to get started. Building process takes 6-8 weeks with $15,000 down, and 4-6 with the full $22,000. Well if you have anymore questions feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer take care.

Darrin Cooper

P.S. Let me know when you are ready to buy and I can have a contract ready after we speek on the phone thanks. Also one last thing word of mouth or if you sell one of these replicas we can knock a couple thousand off like any replica's you sell We could give you a couple of thousand for helping promote our new business."

[jasonfromIKILLYA]

significantly rust free chargers are hard to find in Indiana.  I know.   

[bull]

Six to eight weeks?! They're saying they can restore a Charger in two months or less and do a good job?!

Chyea, I wouldn't go anywhere near that place.

[CB]

lets take 3 guys working 8 hours a day for 5 days a week and this 6 to 8 weeks long, that makes 720 to 960 man hours to complete a resto.
If you would only count the 22K for labour, no parts, those guys would be working for $22 to $30 / hour.
The parts are free  

[paironines]

22k for just a paint job?  I don't think so..... 

[MikeMacCham]

lets take 3 guys working 8 hours a day for 5 days a week and this 6 to 8 weeks long, that makes 720 to 960 man hours to complete a resto.
If you would only count the 22K for labour, no parts, those guys would be working for $22 to $30 / hour.
The parts are free  

the guy says its 6 guys and 8 to 10 hour days.....

[hemi-hampton]

paironines, I've seen many Paintjobs cost over $22,000. Worked at a place where a guy had over $100,000 just in paint & bodywork on his black 90's something Trans am. Yeah, I know, Insane & unbeleivable. LEON.

[bull]

22k for just a paint job?  I don't think so..... 

Just the quality body and paint jobs cost $20k.

[MikeMacCham]

what about this? this is what the guy sent me, its his "contract"
This is a legal, binding contract guaranteeing the delivery of the product mentioned below.  The seller, Darrin Lee Cooper of Tuner Dynamics,  X________________, guarantees the delivery of the product to the buyer, four weeks after payment of $24,000 is received.

PRODUCT DETAILS

1969 Dodge Charger
Engine: Rebuilt 383 V8
Smooth running, all new internals.
New externals
Rebuilt transmission
Automatic Shifter
Shifter on floor
Redone suspension
New tires
Completely redone exterior, painted in correct colors (General Lee) along with correct decals
No roll bars, as requested by buyer
All working electronics
New upholster, completely redone (in black, replicating the General Lee)
All metal, rubber, glass, other trims in new condition
All new exhaust work
Overall, turn key car without problems
All of the above will be professionally done
Satisfaction with the product is guaranteed.
Money-back gaurantee:  If the customer is unhappy with any part of the car within the first 30 days, the problem will be fixed on account of the seller.  All cars will be inspected before shipment several times to ensure the best condition of the car before it leaves the United States. 


Signature of seller:     Date:


Address of Seller:    3142 N. 17th St
                           Terre Haute, IN 47804

Signature of Buyer:     Date:



This is a preview of the Contract between us that we can provide you and we am to please. Thanks again We can start whenever your ready Mike.

Darrin Cooper

[bull]

First thing I'd do at this point is ask them for some customer references. Try to get some opinions about the work from some former customers (that aren't their beer drinking buddies).

[hemi-hampton]

Hmmm, Something sound's funny/fishy to me. Thought they wanted $15,000 down? To much. Now say delivery 4 weeks after receiving the $24,000. I say you never pay off the car or the entire amount before the car is ever completed or picked up. BIG MISTAKE. I'd ask to see referances of past satisfied customers, Pictures of past completed projects & see one in Person before forking over any Cash. Sounds like Russian Rulette otherwise to me. LEON.

[mikepmcs]

I agree with Hemi H on this one. 

I did that, half up front, half when complete and then picked up the car and was a little(i mean little, no malice here cause i'm happy I got my 69)
The body work and paint could have been better IMO.

If they can build the car, then they have the car.  I say build the car or 2 in the timeframe.. ready for the customer to see and approve, then buy.

Actually, now that I think about it, isn't it a law or something that you can't use a person's money to complete said car. 

The guy I bought mine from was honest and I knew it from the get go, so I had no hesitation cause I knew I'd get it, but just something to think about.  Where's Vainglory right about now?

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Mike