Full OEM style steel quarters for 68-70.

[rob9593]

anyone ordering these, they phoned me yesterday and offered me the introduction price.....I think they are probing to see if there's demand at their price....

[AutoRust]

I thought the price was tio high when I heard $2,000? Now it's $2,500? When you think of the older reproduction sheet metal you can bet they will fit like Crap But I know from Experiance some of the newer Sheetmetal being made (key word being SOME not ALL) does indeed fit much better then the Garbage repopped only a few short years ago. I'm guessing these will fit good with little problems & it should considering the price which is rediculous, insane. NOS only gets big money because of Supply & Demand, Lots of demand & no Supply. Now that Reops are Available there is a non stop infinitive supply which should bring that price way way down. And they did not cost anywhere near a million to tool but I'd guess less then $100,000. LEON.

Leon, we have done some price inquiries on tooling to stamp a frame rail, ( e-body fronts) and we are getting estimates in the $100-150,000 range, per side, as its multiple strikes in the tooling. 
I wouldn't know for sure, but looking at quarters, I am sure the tooling cost for a die set that intricate, and that large could easily be in the $4-500,000 range.There is a TON of development work involved, even with computer design, you still need to do a lot of corrections, plus hope your R&D sample is accurate. And you need one for each side.
   If Goodmark can do it on The Challenger for $600, why are they $2500? I understand to be successful in business you have to make money, but wow, that is big $$
I met the guys from Hardcore at the Mopar Nats and I must say, it did not seem like anyone there was capable or able to even conceive the idea, never mind pull it off, but hey, who knows.
Dave

[AdamMopar]

I'm hoping fenders show up soon, hoods as well.

Adam

[daytonalo]

Auto rust , I agree ! They couldn't even tell me what gauge metal they are . If they fit , and that is a BIG IF , they need to be around 1500 to sell . On the phone he kept saying well, these cars are worth six figs , I said only a few are , they rest are around 40 or so for a nice 383 or whatever . Point is that a guy with a 30 k car is not going to spend 2500 a side , not gonna happen . Larry

[Ghoste]

It wouldn't affect my decision one way or the other about buying them, but does anyone on here know these guys personally?  I only wonder because it seems like they are so clueless about Mopars (I seem to recall something about them being a Chevy engine shop or something back when they destroyed that 69 RT for laughs?).  And yet, they want to repop Charger 1/4's and somebody had to put the dinero for the tooling and then they appear to nothing about the product except the price and less about the market demographic.
As I said, none of that matters really.  If you need them and are satisfied with price and quality then that is good enough.  I'm just curious.

[AutoRust]

It wouldn't affect my decision one way or the other about buying them, but does anyone on here know these guys personally?  I only wonder because it seems like they are so clueless about Mopars (I seem to recall something about them being a Chevy engine shop or something back when they destroyed that 69 RT for laughs?).  And yet, they want to repop Charger 1/4's and somebody had to put the dinero for the tooling and then they appear to nothing about the product except the price and less about the market demographic.
As I said, none of that matters really.  If you need them and are satisfied with price and quality then that is good enough.  I'm just curious.

I meet a bunch of the guys from Hardcore at the Mopar Nats in 2005. They pulled into a Manufacturers Midway spot on Friday afternoon! And they had a 48' two car enclosed trailer. There must have been 4-5 guys in the duallie. No one seemed to know much about the event, or anything else. They had a difficult time even getting the trailer in, after all, if you have been to the Nats, you recall the people and such walking around. So here comes this big trailer, and they just about cleaned out one guys set-up, pissed off countless people getting in there,it was almost comical if it wasn't so disruptive, then they open up the door and pull out a Black Viper that looked good, but sounded like it was a 5 or 7 cylinder.  They also had a sweet looking 69 Black charger with a 440 and a big supercharger on it. It did not run! So, I started asking them, whats up here?
The guy that couldn't drive the truck seemed like the boss (?). He said they had just beat the snot out of the Viper, but the customer wouldnt mind, he can have them fix it again. The car sounded awful. They said the electrical guy hadn't made it to there shop, and didn't get the wiring done for the Charger, so they couldn't start it, it was a pusher. So I looked it over, and was not impressed at all. Poor quality everywhere around it, as I looked at the car and the guys, I realized, kids. The work looked like kids work, the blown up Viper is what kids do. As I asked more, they mentioned they was from Detroit area, and was affiliated with Roush, and the owner of Hardcore had deep pockets, but wasn't a car guy, so he hires people to do this stuff.

My whole point here is they just did not seem like real players in the hobby. For everyone that goes to the big events, I am sure you know what I mean, In Racing we call them pretenders, not contenders. Thats why in my previous post I was amazed that it was Hardcore that had quarters.

Hey, maybe I am way off base, but in my life I have  learned,
You only have one chance to make a first impression.

[Arigmaster]

Speaking from past experience on the skins vs full quarters. I think I would have bought the full quarters had they been available when I was at that stage.

I worked with Charger Specialties and Goodmark in order to obtain a good set of skins. The first two sets arrived damaged in shipping and were very thin gauge metal. (down right flimsy) I spoke with Goodmark and requested a heavier gauge steel so they wouldn't be so flimsy and that they might survive shipping on the 3rd try. The trade off was with the stamping. The body lines were not as crisp as the others and I had to work them a bit more before I started mounting them. Anyone who has put the skins on will tell you that they are a pain to get lined up all the way around and you better have some skills as a welder other wise you might end up warping them up.

I think with the time I spent on each side putting on skins and working the butt welds and tweaking the sheet metal. I could have spent 1/4 of the time and trouble by just going with a full quarter replacement if they were available at the time.

I haven't seen one of the full quarters in person so I cant say if they were done right or if they match a NOS part but if they did... The extra money you spend for the full replacement would probably be a wash with what you would spend to have a body shop put skins on for you. Or, if you do it your self, the time savings may be worth it.

On the same note in regards to the price... I am sure the tooling cost alone was far greater to produce a full quarter as opposed to a skin.  Just my two cents...

[AutoRust]

Putting full OEM type quarters on is a huge difference then doing skins, we have done skins, as well as full OEM types. I dont think the skins are  that bad, every panel I have ever bought, skin or OEM, needs some tweaking. If you have the typical rusted lower sections, wheel arches, and rocker area, you can put a skin on with out major work. Flange the edges where it meets the remainder of the quarter, drill some holes, plug weld it together, skin it with plastic filler and your done. If you have major issues in the outer sail panel, trunk lip, top of your quarter, inside door jamb, etc, etc.then do a full OEM type, But watch your wallet, if your having it done, it can get pricey.
And still, $2500 is way out of line I think, its just taking a shot, hoping enough people will pay it.
Like I say, If Goodmark ( who certainly know the business) can do Challenger ones for $600, why are they trying to get so much for Charger ones?

Dave

[rob9593]

Putting full OEM type quarters on is a huge difference then doing skins, we have done skins, as well as full OEM types. I dont think the skins are  that bad, every panel I have ever bought, skin or OEM, needs some tweaking. If you have the typical rusted lower sections, wheel arches, and rocker area, you can put a skin on with out major work. Flange the edges where it meets the remainder of the quarter, drill some holes, plug weld it together, skin it with plastic filler and your done. If you have major issues in the outer sail panel, trunk lip, top of your quarter, inside door jamb, etc, etc.then do a full OEM type, But watch your wallet, if your having it done, it can get pricey.
And still, $2500 is way out of line I think, its just taking a shot, hoping enough people will pay it.
Like I say, If Goodmark ( who certainly know the business) can do Challenger ones for $600, why are they trying to get so much for Charger ones?

Dave

Goodmark aren't the ones making these new panels......everyone I've spoken with says that a well fitting factory style quarter will be less labour to install when you factor in everything, then straightening everything out and repairing the channel in the rear window AND removing the lead in the sail panel..... that's coming from about 4 different guys I've spoken with about them......they can't all be wrong

[daytonalo]

From my own exp , auto-rust and myself are on the same page !!!!!!!!

[hemi-hampton]

As far as I know the Charger Skins Goodmark sells were around before Goodmark even existed & are the same Skins Shermans been selling for past 20 years before goodmark was around. I think Goodmark is selling shermans skins & goodmark does not make these skins. What Goodmark does make is usually of higher Quality in my opinion. With so many complaints of poor aftermarket sheet metal fit over the years is why new companies are popping up to do better. LEON.

[Dodge Don]

I tried to call them today for information on these panels. No answer, got voice mail. Anyone have any new info on these things?

[dkn1997]

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3403451&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

[Dodge Don]

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3403451&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

I saw that. What concerns me is that the guy isn't answering any questions. Keeps saying stay tuned....check my website....call me at.....

I don't know if these guys are flakes or what.

[rob9593]

I think I'm going to wait to SEE one of these QP's now..... they have a logo on there saying ' Authentic Restoration Product' ....is there some certification they need to go through to claim that?

And their signing dealers...........

[AutoRust]

I think I'm going to wait to SEE one of these QP's now..... they have a logo on there saying ' Authentic Restoration Product' ....is there some certification they need to go through to claim that?

And their signing dealers...........

I was going to call them up, see what they are offering dealers, maybe they knock off 5-10%

[Dodge Don]

The Moparts guys are going after these guys pretty hardcore (pardon the pun)

[hemi-hampton]

Don, can you be more specific or Elaborate? LEON.

[AutoRust]

Leon, I think he is referring to the guys on Moparts are really giving Hardcore a thrashing ( what a surprise)
They went on and posted some info, and everyone is looking for pictures and better information, and Hardcore keeps using the same talking points, and are not putting up any pictures.
$2500 is rather pricey, and before anyone shells out the dough, they want better info and some really good pictures.

Dave

[hemi-hampton]

I stiil say a NOS may be able to get $4,000 when you consider they may only be 5 or 20 left in existance, When you can just push a button & stamp out 100 1/4 panels in a day then NO WAY should you be asking $2,500 a 1/4. Supply & demand & you just eliminated the supply, it's now infinity for supply not 5 - 20. If for example it cost a million $$ or even $100,000 to make a Die Stamp & you have to ask $2,500 to recoup because you may only sell 100 or so then maybe dont wast the time. Actually since I restore these old Mopars I'm glad they do make them, Makes my job easier. But, fact is most lowbudget customers only want to pay $5,000 to have there whole car redone. Not just $5,000 in 2 1/4 panels. Yes, these 1/4's would be great for the guys with the Hemi & 6 pak Chargers worth $100,000+ & want to spend $50,000+ in a Resto but thats less then 5% of the Resto Crowd/customers. Just my Opinion. LEON.

[Mike DC]

 
The flame-job that this hobby is giving Hardcore right now amazes me.  I swear to God, you'd think they were announcing the destruction  of a batch of O.E.-quality Charger quarter skins or something.

If you don't wanna pay $5K for quarter panels then don't buy them.  Big deal.  Hardcore's not exactly putting a gun to anyone's head.  It's not like the existing $200 quarter skins are gonna be immediately yanked off the market when Hardcore's panels hit the shelves. 

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If you wanna get high-grade full-coverage panels for your project car for $150, then go get a Beetle. 

The Mopar hobby has moaned & bitched about the bad quality of the existing panels for many years, and we all know it's been the prohibitive tooling costs keeping us from getting any better options.  So the guy who runs Hardcore Racing decided "damn the expenses!!!" and tooled-up a better panel no matter what it cost.  I just don't think it was such an evil thing to do.

 

[hemi-hampton]

I think they said WOW, You'd see the NOS 1/4 get $4,000 on ebay. Lets stamp some of our own & make some Money. LEON.

[dkn1997]

The bitching at moparts was more of the "let's see something other than an artists rendering" variety.  most said they would pay 5 grand, but hardcore only has shown renderings and no actual photos of them from different angles. when pressed, the guy from hardcore used the excuse "it's really hard to photograph these at the right angle to show the quality"  that sounds like a load to me.  if you got 'em, you got 'em. 

most just wanted to see proof they exist, that's all.

[mikepmcs]

It's cause there is no London Drug in town that can develop the pics without ruining the film .  DOH! No, I did not just say that, I never do that, crap.......  I'm slipping.

"Lord, I apologize" .....but......... "I don't care who you are, that right there is funny!"




v/r
Mike

[Ghoste]

I wonder if Hardcore would have gotten a better reception had they NOT taken a four speed 69 Charger RT and jumped it to destruction last year as a hilarious publicity stunt. 
(we won't even get into the alleged Chevy drag car)