So why the hostility towards environmentalism?

[Guns N Rotors]

Here are some pics for ya! Just some peace loving environmentalists doing their thing!

[Guns N Rotors]

One more...

[Khyron]

wow! 

what the hell they hit that thing with? Must be some steroids in their veggie burgers!

[73dodge]

I remember the 70's and driving through Cleveland and seeing the smoke stacks billowing all the pollution in the air, back then they were worried about the coming ice age.

Then it was the hole in the ozone, did you know that the stinkin hole in the Ozone closed up in 2001 look it up I saw it on the National Academy of Sciences web site? Then opened again, then closed again. Remember we were on the brink of disaster because of the hole in the ozone.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast12dec_1.htm

So now Global Warming is cause celeb for the hollywood crowd to weep and cry over because they need something to make themselves feel important to make people think they "care".

The atmosphere changes the climate changes it cycles but I hate the friggin nanny state telling me what and how to live my life, I know that the nanny state government is being influenced by environmental wakkos demanding gutless politicians pass laws restricting our freedoms on where to build homes, what to drive and how to live my life. Now the environmental nut jobs have spineless politicians cowed into passing regulations telling people what they can and cannot build on their property because they have a puddle that forms in their back yard after a rain storm and that qualifies it as a wet land. Or the fact that you cannot do something because some nut job finds a rare furry rodent living in the dirt on your property and then declares it an endangered species and then you cannot do anything on your own land because you might disturb it's natural habitat.

I do not recycle, if the city wants me to separate my trash into plastic paper and bottles they can give me a container to do it and they can stop charging me for garbage pickup. Then I will separate my trash.

I drive where I want when I want I do not car pool and drive a big Dodge minivan because I need it to haul my kids around. I drive a dodge intrepid but if they are going to force me into buying a hybrid then I will make damn sure I buy a Toyota Prius that is 100% manufactured in Japan.


That's why I hate environmentalists they have turned the responsible stewardship of the earth into a religion and demand that you bow down at the alter of there particular brand of dogma...

[Charger_Fan]

Then it was the hole in the ozone, did you know that the stinkin hole in the Ozone closed up in 2001 look it up I saw it on the National Academy of Sciences web site? Then opened again, then closed again.

Sounds like a giant sphincter...

[mikepmcs]

I remember the 70's and driving through Cleveland and seeing the smoke stacks billowing all the pollution in the air, back then they were worried about the coming ice age.

Then it was the hole in the ozone, did you know that the stinkin hole in the Ozone closed up in 2001 look it up I saw it on the National Academy of Sciences web site? Then opened again, then closed again. Remember we were on the brink of disaster because of the hole in the ozone.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast12dec_1.htm

So now Global Warming is cause celeb for the hollywood crowd to weep and cry over because they need something to make themselves feel important to make people think they "care".

The atmosphere changes the climate changes it cycles but I hate the friggin nanny state telling me what and how to live my life, I know that the nanny state government is being influenced by environmental wakkos demanding gutless politicians pass laws restricting our freedoms on where to build homes, what to drive and how to live my life. Now the environmental nut jobs have spineless politicians cowed into passing regulations telling people what they can and cannot build on their property because they have a puddle that forms in their back yard after a rain storm and that qualifies it as a wet land. Or the fact that you cannot do something because some nut job finds a rare furry rodent living in the dirt on your property and then declares it an endangered species and then you cannot do anything on your own land because you might disturb it's natural habitat.

I do not recycle, if the city wants me to separate my trash into plastic paper and bottles they can give me a container to do it and they can stop charging me for garbage pickup. Then I will separate my trash.

I drive where I want when I want I do not car pool and drive a big Dodge minivan because I need it to haul my kids around. I drive a dodge intrepid but if they are going to force me into buying a hybrid then I will make damn sure I buy a Toyota Prius that is 100% manufactured in Japan.


That's why I hate environmentalists they have turned the responsible stewardship of the earth into a religion and demand that you bow down at the alter of there particular brand of dogma...

WORD!!!

[CaptMarvel]

I was reading with some interest the "global warming" thread and I have often wondered why this is considered such a divisive subject.  Any time that someone mentions anything about living "sustainably" in any way, shape, or form.  He or she is labeled a tree-hugger, liberal, hippie, etc. etc. etc.  Personally, I like the thought of decreasing the size of my "footprint" on the planet.  I have found that making a conscious effort to do so has not only given me a sense of satisfaction, but it has also made me healthier and made my life a little less expensive.  Here are some of the things I've done.

1.  I have made it a point to throw on a packpack and ride a bike for any errands less than five miles.  This saves me gas, makes me healthier, and keeps some pollutants out of the air.

2.  I buy locally grown fruits and vegetables (usually organic) at farmer's markets.  That means less fuel used to transport the food AND it supports local farmers.

3.  I only buy meat that is raised locally or regionally.  I try to limit my fish intake to farm raised fish unless it's a special occasion.  Hopefully, if enough people do that, overfishing will be reduced.

4.  Next year, I'll be switching my hopelessly outdated HVAC system for a VERY high efficiency very.  Right now, I keep my thermostat at 65 degrees in winter, and 78 degrees in summer.  Going from 70 to 65 degrees in winter save me RIDICULOUS amounts of money.

5.  When I go shopping for more than just a couple of things, I take my own bags instead of using the paper or plastic bags at the store.

6.  I car-pool to work.

There are other things I do, but this proves that you don't have to be radical about things.  I just can't understand why this type of thing gets you labeled a liberal radical whacko.

I've got no problem in anyone doing what they think is better for the planet, I just dont think the govt needs to try and make everyone think a certain way. You are right, it is healthier and probably better for all, but dont order me to not burn my fireplace with trees I cut down on my property and make me drive a subcompact if I want to burn the tires with my 440. Keep it up, I enjoy clean air and hiking and depleting the high mountain lakes of their tasty fish. Just be fair to others and their un environmental ways. I also dont think the planets ice caps (and many scientists agree for those who put all trust in them) are melting or the air hopelessly polluted beyond repair.

[2Gunz]

Things start at the top and trickle down.

Ever follow a Bus in LA?  *cough cough*

And give me a few thousand years to find the subway......

And the thousands of air pollution except government vehicles.....



In order to make a population follow the government needs to be seen in action

taking action. Im sure the EPA does great things and we would prolly be screwed without them.

But I have never talked to, meet, or seen somebody from the EPA. Nor do I have any first hand

knowledge of what they are doing. So to me and the majority of the population its just another

money whole with no bottom.


Get me some alternative fuel stations and a game plan and I might just jump on the band wagon.

Untill then why fight the system?


And lastly and prolly the biggest problem. We as humans deal with fear and definites very well.

And would be and maybes or could happen not so well.

So tell us the world will end next week at noon unless we recycle, well we will recycle like crazy.

Tell us the world will end sometime thousands of years from now....maybe.

I think you get where Im going with that.

[bull]

"In order to make a population follow the government needs to be seen in action..."

I disagree. In order to make a population follow their lead the environmentalists need to make it worth our while. Don't threaten us, scare us or force us out of careers they don't think are beneficial to their narrow-minded agenda. They need to focus on viable solutions to these so-called emergencies rather than continue to point the finger. If they would stop crying about all the evils in the world and focus on creating inexpensive solutions to the problems, people would flock in droves to their doorstep.

That's the funny thing about liberal-minded environmentalists. They'll go on and on about how the religious right judges everyone and tries to make them believe as they do and act as they do when in fact the environmentalists are doing exactly that themselves, and using much dirtier tactics. Burning logging equipment, damaging SUVs, tree-sitting, breaking into mink farms, spiking trees, spray-painting fur coats, etc., etc.

[rare69]

I was born, raised and still live in the logging capitol of the world.on the Olympic peninsula in washington state. my great grandfather was a logger my grandfather was a logger and dad is still a logger and i have spent my entire life in the woods. and i have seen hundred acre clearcuts turn into beautiful stands of timber in just my short stay on this planet. and you want to meet someone who really cares about the environment,the timber the animals and just about everything that lives in the woods, talk to a logger who lives and feeds his family by the well being of the land. it is a very renewable resource.

[dkn1997]

They would not bother me so much if they were not so full of shit.  The ones in the forefront are getting rich and famous like al gore, all the while kicking back in his McMansion using his billion btu's of energy, what a hypocrite. 

These Hollywood types who are now championing the enviroment and making the rest of us feel guilty, what a joke.  How many Hummer Limos took these aholes their precious academy awards?  How about 10 or these pricks piling out of a limo saying "we carpooled" I must have missed that in the paper the next day.  So a few guys drove in a prious (sp)?  so what.  I bet al gores suit was sewn by some phillipino kid making 2 bucks a day in a factory that probably dumps toxins right into the damn street. 

I will believe these other countries are "cleaning up" when I see it.  know how you will know?  their crap won't be as cheap anymore because they will have to comply with the same laws we do....I don't see that anytime soon.  maybe at some point, but I think it will be a while.

Same group of turds that used to fly the concorde burning ungodly amounts of fuel so they can go party with the Europeans a little quicker. 

[Big Lebowski]

I was reading with some interest the "global warming" thread and I have often wondered why this is considered such a divisive subject.  Any time that someone mentions anything about living "sustainably" in any way, shape, or form.  He or she is labeled a tree-hugger, liberal, hippie, etc. etc. etc.  Personally, I like the thought of decreasing the size of my "footprint" on the planet.  I have found that making a conscious effort to do so has not only given me a sense of satisfaction, but it has also made me healthier and made my life a little less expensive.  Here are some of the things I've done.

1.  I have made it a point to throw on a packpack and ride a bike for any errands less than five miles.  This saves me gas, makes me healthier, and keeps some pollutants out of the air.

2.  I buy locally grown fruits and vegetables (usually organic) at farmer's markets.  That means less fuel used to transport the food AND it supports local farmers.

3.  I only buy meat that is raised locally or regionally.  I try to limit my fish intake to farm raised fish unless it's a special occasion.  Hopefully, if enough people do that, overfishing will be reduced.

4.  Next year, I'll be switching my hopelessly outdated HVAC system for a VERY high efficiency very.  Right now, I keep my thermostat at 65 degrees in winter, and 78 degrees in summer.  Going from 70 to 65 degrees in winter save me RIDICULOUS amounts of money.

5.  When I go shopping for more than just a couple of things, I take my own bags instead of using the paper or plastic bags at the store.

6.  I car-pool to work.

There are other things I do, but this proves that you don't have to be radical about things.  I just can't understand why this type of thing gets you labeled a liberal radical whacko.

  Your efforts towards..."decreasing the size of my "footprint" on the planet" are noble my friend, but what you don't understand is that your Charger is a "GIANT" carbon footstep. The card carrying enviro-whack job commies at the Sierra club consider your Charger enemy #1.
      But smashing your Charger in the car crusher is not enough for the Tree hugging Kyoto treaty lovers, they absolutely will not be satisfied untill you are living in a Tee-Pee with no heat, no car, and no job. Those three things involve Co2 emissions which we can't have.

     Liberal radical whackos burn down car dealerships, ski resorts, condo projects, and they want to tear down America. THAT's what causes the "hostility towards environmentalism"

                   In 1974 these same card carrying commie tree huggers said "global cooling" was coming to freeze us all, now they say the opposite. They need to make up their minds.

[dodgecharger-fan]

I didn't read the whole thread - just the first post. To repsond:

I don't think anyone would argue that anything you've listed is a bad idea.
I'll bet there's nothing else you could mention along the same line of thinking that anyone would think is bad.

Saving energy and reducing pollution are damn good ideas.
Doing things to make yourself healthier is even better.

I don't see any of those things as envrionmentalist though. Good for the environment: YES!

And environmentalism in as much as it's the study of and promotion of awareness of the envronment, is not a bad thing.

I think the hostility is directed more at the alarmist tactics and those propogating them.
The extreme measures that are seen as the only solution just don't make sense in too many cases - and it's not always about money. (An electric car takes more energy to design, develop, produce, operate, maintain and dispose of than a normal gasoline powered engine.)
So, if it doesn't make sense, then why do it?If there is a clear cost/benefit statement, then people are more apt to listen. And by benefit, I don't mean monetary return.
That's the argument against the alarmists.

Your list: makes sense. A lot more people should do things like that. (I'll bet the temperature of the planet still goes up though - or down.. and then up again.... )

I just did number 4.
I live in a fruitbelt, so number 2 is easy - except in the winter. So, I have to buy fruit and veggies form Chile or California.
Number 1 is a priority for us - mainly for the health benefits, mind you.
I never gave 3 much of a thought. But I like the idea. I'll have to look into it.
5 sometimes...
6 Can't really do it. I'm either working from home (most foten) or driving to and from meetings. I do often pick up colleagues and we ride together, though.