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Question? What was the strongest Charger ever factory built?

Started by Wiking, March 13, 2007, 05:45:41 PM

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Wiking

Hello outthere, please help my history hunger, please list me the strongest chargers built, ist a hemi? A wedge, the daytona?
thanks!

69bronzeT5

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1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

Ghoste

Well if you're going by magazine road tests from back in the day, then I believe it was a 69 four speed Hemi 500 tested by Hot Rod.  I don't have all the road tests though so there may be another out there.  If you are talking potential, you can't take anything away from the 70 and 71 Six Pack Chargers.

hemigeno

Define "strongest"...

If you're talking pure stock street performance, I think my vote would be a '70 Charger 440 6-pack.  And this is coming from a guy with a Hemi.  If you're talking modified all-out oval track performance, the HemiDaytona is definitely the choice - no question about it.

For the dragstrip, maybe a '69 Hemi 500??  :shruggy:

Again, it depends on what your definition of "strongest" is.

:Twocents:

Troy

Define "strongest"? A 1969 R/T Hemi would (should) be faster in the 1/4 mile than a Daytona or 500 due to being lighter. Of course, the Daytona or 500 would have a higher top speed before going airborne. Some people will say the 440 six pack in 1970 would outrun a Hemi in the 1/4 but it must have had poor brakes because someone sure screwed up the front end. :P I'm honestly not familiar with the performance of those engines in the 71 models but supposedly they are more aerodynamic than the 66-67 and 68-70 models which should equal faster.

Some other people will say the "new" SRT-8 is the strongest but then there will be a war over new vs old technology. I guess it all depends on what you want out of a car.

I guess I took too long to post... :D

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

bull

Quote from: hemigeno on March 13, 2007, 06:03:56 PM
Again, it depends on what your definition of "strongest" is.

:iagree: Yes, I think we need to define our terms. When I think of a "strong" car I think of a car that can tow a 30-foot camper up a 6% grade at 70 mph, but that may not be the fastest car on the strip.

Dodge Don

I'd say in a 1/4 mile I'd take a 70 Charger 440 Six Pack as it'll beat a Hemi. But if the race is longer then the Hemi will take over at the high end.

Shakey

Quote from: Dodge Don on March 13, 2007, 06:49:27 PM
I'd say in a 1/4 mile I'd take a 70 Charger 440 Six Pack as it'll beat a Hemi. But if the race is longer then the Hemi will take over at the high end.

Unless it was a really, really, really long race.  I'd bet that a small block would be strongest as there would be less stops for fuel.   :no:

BB1

I vote for a 71 440 Six pack, just because it's not a 70.  :icon_smile_evil:
Delete my profile

bull


Ghoste

Do road tests from the past or current day "stock" muscle car drags bear out the Six Pack outrunning the Hemi in the Charger body?

BB1

I just want to take dodge don over my knee just once.  :nana:
Delete my profile

Dodge Don

Quote from: BB1 on March 13, 2007, 07:12:54 PM
I just want to take dodge don over my knee just once.  :nana:

Is that why you keep asking me to bend over? I thought you were after something else since you have a 68 and all  :-*

BB1

Delete my profile

Rolling_Thunder

Quote from: Ghoste on March 13, 2007, 07:11:50 PM
Do road tests from the past or current day "stock" muscle car drags bear out the Six Pack outrunning the Hemi in the Charger body?

it listed a 1070 roadrunner  440 six pack 4-speed car faster than a 1970 road runner hemi 4-speed car...      does that count?
1968 Dodge Charger - 6.1L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.55 Sure Grip

2013 Dodge Challenger R/T - 5.7L Hemi / 6-speed / 3.73 Limited Slip

1964 Dodge Polara 500 - 440 / 4-speed / 3.91 Sure Grip

1973 Dodge Challenger Rallye - 340 / A-518 / 3.23 Sure Grip

Dodge Don

Quote from: BB1 on March 13, 2007, 09:18:52 PM
Keep it up 70 boy.  :D

Now you want me to keep it up?  :o

Seriously though, the Hemi is the best engine, however when you limit the comparison to a short length the six pack will usually win in the 1/4 and allways in the 1/8. But like the ad said "the hemi turns on when the others turn off" so if we are talking stock classic muscle cars, and the race was longer the Hemi trumps everything.

Wiking

Thanks for the posts, always nice to learn from this source of extraordinary knowledge. To define the question, which might have more true answers? Which charger is the fastest(V-Max) The best acceleration(0-60) fastest on 1/4, the most HP, stock out of factory, im thinking about 60ties/70ties classics.
thanks

Ghoste

It's the eternal bench racing question.  Any car on a given day.

bordin34

I think a 71 may have had a stronger frame but im just guessing.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

Ghoste


konigcharger


If you have no vision or creative spirit, you can always fall back on the way the factory did it.

Brock Samson

 '71 stronger frame?..
go back to the  chevy sites..
a DAYTONA HEMI four speed has to be the absolute fastest,  approching speeds in excess of 150 MPH, finding a place to use such power and areodynamics outside of a race track would have to be a problem,..
quicker to 100 would have to be a 70 0r '71 six-pack but not by much.


bordin34


1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

SeattleCharger

A '68 Charger with 318 and column shift, longest lasting engine, or maybe the /six with column shift, but I'm not familiar with the six, could be.


Why would you want anything else?  Just give me a Charger and I'll be happy.

Ghoste


Chad L. Magee

Quote from: SeattleChargerDog on March 16, 2007, 10:45:18 AM
A '68 Charger with 318 and column shift, longest lasting engine, or maybe the /six with column shift, but I'm not familiar with the six, could be.

I've got both, but can't comment on the duribility quite yet (need to restore them first).  I only drove the /6 a few blocks before putting it into storage and the other was missing the transmission when I got it.  I have a feeling that the /6 would last longer overall as those engines have a reputation as being indestructible (no, I don't want to prove that).......
Ph.D. Metallocene Chemist......

tan top

Quote from: Brock Samson on March 16, 2007, 10:32:49 AM
'71 stronger frame?..
go back to the  chevy sites..
a DAYTONA HEMI four speed has to be the absolute fastest,  approching speeds in excess of 150 MPH, finding a place to use such power and areodynamics outside of a race track would have to be a problem,..
quicker to 100 would have to be a 70 0r '71 six-pack but not by much.

 

going off topic a bit

ever since i got into mopars at a very early age , i have always thought it odd  XX29 chargers  were not fitted  2:76 & 2:94 gears with the  lowest being 3:23 , from the factory ,   
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

69_500

Well call me biased, but I'm going to have to say that the fastest road test that I remember for any of the old Mopars would be the 1969 HEMI Charger 500. I believe that in one test it ran a 13.40 and in another magazine ran a 13.48 at 109mph. I don't recall any of the other cars running lower.


tan top

Quote from: 69_500 on March 16, 2007, 07:02:50 PM
Well call me biased, but I'm going to have to say that the fastest road test that I remember for any of the old Mopars would be the 1969 HEMI Charger 500. I believe that in one test it ran a 13.40 and in another magazine ran a 13.48 at 109mph. I don't recall any of the other cars running lower.



                        that would be the   four speed  i believe ,  :yesnod:  i don't think any thing else ran quicker  stock
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

70charginglizard

Quote from: Dodge Don on March 13, 2007, 06:49:27 PM
I'd say in a 1/4 mile I'd take a 70 Charger 440 Six Pack as it'll beat a Hemi. But if the race is longer then the Hemi will take over at the high end.

Guess its time to think about upgrading to that six pack again.  :icon_smile_cool:
70charginglizard