Can anyone source a master cylinder for 69 w/power disc brakes?

[Mfr426]

there you have it. I got my last one at Advance and they no longer carry that product. They said that the manufacturer discontinued that product. This is the one that has the lines on the passenger side of the cylinder. I can find others, but not ones that have the line inputs on the passenger side.

Any help  would be great. I went to Napa today and they have one (new) but it has left side (drivers) line inlets.

Thanks all!

[histoy]

I had one in the basement that might work.  It is a Bendix master with a casting number 2226821.   I bought it off of eBay a few months ago.  It's rusty on the outside, but clean in the fluid reservoir.   I pulled the plunger assembly and it land the bore looked fine.  Contact me off line it this one will help you.

[resq302]

I also just picked up one off of ebay for $20.  Just awaiting its arrival.  Its always good to have spare parts.!

[Mfr426]

Oh, I should clarify...I have one (bought rebuilt from Advance Auto a year or two ago). I want another one and now they dont sell them.

I was actually looking to see if anyone found an autoparts place that still offers one?


Thanks for the offer though History...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I got mine from www.partsamerica.com 

[dodgecharger-fan]

It looks like www.rockauto.com has them
Part 101475

http://www.cardone.com/English/club/products/webcat/imageinfo.asp?PARTNUM=101475

[Mfr426]

Yep, that's the same part number from Advance. The manufacturer no longer offers the product. I tried to order it several times both on the web and in the store. There are no future plans to carry it according to the folks I've talked with.

For those of you that have disc brake cars I'd grab one if you can. I'm having a hell of a time fiinding one anywhere. And, the ones that they say will work show the right picture (with the lines on the passenger side of the cylinder) but when they show up they are on the left.

[mikepmcs]

So it's still possible that other Advance auto parts stores might have some left over stock? 

If that is in fact the correct part number for the right side line out then I would be happy to check the Advance Auto Parts store up here for you as well as the local chain called VIP.

Who makes it Bendix? and please verify the part number as 101475. And any other things I should look for to verify it.  Maybe a picture could help too if you can take me one.

Let me know as I would be happy to purchase one for you and send it to you, should I find one.

I'm looking for a 1969 Dodge Charger with disc brakes correct, and they will want to know motor size etc...

I guess the part number alone though would be sufficient though.

v/r
Mike
 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I swear I must have gotten one of the last A1 Cardone rebuilds from them

The part # on the box is 10-1475

According to the date on the box its been on a shelf since '00

[Mfr426]

Chris's shot is my cylinder Mike. That's my P/N too on the bottom "2226821".

When they run the part they check the manufacturer for it, not their stock. They cant get it. They will say that they can but when they thorougly they say "oh, the manufacturer says it's now discontinued".

Great.........

Chris, obvioulsy you have upgraded your car to the power disc brakes (vs. the shot that is on your web site)?

[mikepmcs]

I'll try anyways for you just in case, you never know.(i'll check my local VIP Auto)  I live in Maine so there is a shot.  That is an entire master cylinder?  I feel stupid but it looks awful small to me.  I'm use to seeing the ones with the cap on top etc....

Forgive my ignorance.

v/r
Mike

[Mfr426]

Not at all Mike. Yep, that's the master cylinder. Remember that is bolts to the booster which makes it look a heck of a lot bigger. Thanks for the help.

Check it out...this was before the major leak...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Chris, obvioulsy you have upgraded your car to the power disc brakes (vs. the shot that is on your web site)?

Not yet Mike....will be doing it soon once it warms up a bit more here
Heres my setup waiting to go in.....

PS---the engine compt is looking great!

[Mfr426]

Hey thanks Chris! That's an old shot too! Wait till I have a 512ci stroker stuffed in there (sorry purists out there).

Parts look great. How about shipping that MC southwest to good ol' PA?

[gtx6970]

I got one about a year ago, I waited almost 3 years to get it., .plus I have my original - and no it's not for sale

My brother runs a local auto parts store near me, He has a list of hot parts he runs for me about once a week, this is one of them. He's yet to come up with another one

[Mfr426]

Up until about the last year Advance did sell them. That's where I got mine. I'm out today on some "appointments" and I'm determined to find one.

[mikepmcs]

Ok, i'm about to leave the house to do some stuff and check some parts stores and I just want to make sure the first picture, the one with the part number and bendix written on it is the one you want.

The pictures further down look different to me then the one Chris is holding in the first picture.

v/r
Mike

[Mfr426]

Yep, these are all the same cylinder (just shown upside down in Chris's shot).

:- )

[mikepmcs]

Yeah I finally pulled my head out of my rear and realized that.  I had to laugh at myself after I was driving to the store when that hit me like a freight train.

Anyways, no luck at either store.  Advance guy is a mopar guy he tried everything, even checked every store in the state for me. 

He gave me a number to a local mopar guy who he claims can get anything, I might give him a call.

The only useful info he gave me was he says year one will redo one to factory specs.  But i realize you are looking for a spare.

He also gave me another bendix number he said it crossed to FWIW.   R12708

Sorry, the search continues.

v/r
Mike

[Mfr426]

Thanks for the work Mike. I ended up getting one today BUT it is a universal one that has "ears" on both sides of the unit. The ones on the left were cast but never threaded but are obvious. I did NOT want this type but I'm sort of stuck now. I have one more on order at National of all places. The guy will have it on Monday and if it's a single side (not universal) I will buy that one. I'm sort of stuck with the other one then (with the ears on the left side).

My fingers are crossed for the right one on Monday. This is getting quite ridiculous (and expensive).

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Mike, possible to take the guts out & swap housings?

Refresh my memory as to what was wrong with your orig one?

[Mfr426]

Chris, the cylinder was leaking at the back where it mounted to the booster. Can you just pop out those cylinders and do you need to hone the cylinder of the older one that you want to keep?? I'd be afraid that the leak was cylinder related?

That's not a bad idea Chris. Now you've got me thinking about it...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Mike, I think to take it apart all you have to do is remove the piston retaining bolt & pull the piston & seals straight back...

Look in your FSM...starting on page 5-45...it gives you rebuilding instructions

[Mfr426]

This IS good news. I have not disassembled a MC in  years. So that bolt holds the piston from popping out. Sounds like a good project for 6AM tomorrow when the wife and baby are sound asleep.

Great idea Chris! I'll read the FSM and post my findings.

[Mfr426]

Well I disassembled the new reman'd one and my original one this AM (after snow blowing another 5" of snow). I see why the original one was leaking. The bore has a fairly deep corrosion area in it and I'm sure that was leading to the leak. I would love to be able to hone that or sleeve that and put in an oversized piston kit. I doubt I'll be able to do that though.

Next I pulled apart the "New Reman'd" unit. What a mess and this one is going back! The inside was loaded with rust. If I put that on my car I would have one hell of a mess in my brake system. Additionally, the two pistons were both rusted to the point of not being usable (in my opinion). The guy at NAPA is going to hate me when I return this but honestly, it's not safe.

Chris, after sitting for so long you might want to slide out your pistons and look to see they are rusted. I figure after sitting on the self for so long this happened.

At this point I am thinking about just adjusting the brake lines to mount on the left. I will then source a brand new MC and may even look for a better alternative. These stock units hae my quite nervous now...

[resq302]

If the only problem with yours is the grove of rust in the bore, you can have them resleeved with a stainless sleeve which will almost prevent rust from forming again.  That is what I am going to do with the core I just got.  Have it stainless sleeved and then have it rebuilt and it should be good for life, just like my 4 piston calipers.

[Mfr426]

Sounds like I'll be calling my local machine shop on Monday to see what they charge to sleeve my M/C. The M/C is too important to NOT have it right.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Crap......

White Post Restorations in VA is supposedly the best for this.....  Their website is down right now...

[resq302]

Basically, any brake place that does calipers and master cylinders should be able to sleeve it without any problems.  I know a place up in NY called Apple Hydraulics that I got a rebuilt kit from to do my 4 piston calipers.

[Mfr426]

Anyone know if these sleeves are predrilled with the correct holes for the reservoir or does the shop drill them before they put the sleeve in???

[resq302]

I don't know.  I would assume that they press the sleeve in and then drill the holes in the appropriate location going down from the reservoir to make sure the holes get into the correct location.  I do know that we had a master cyl sleeved for our 70 El camino by a company (forget which name) and when we installed it, it would push fluid throug the lines but not return it to the reservoir.  Aparently, they claim they had the sleeve off center in the bore slightly allowing the one hole to be in the right location but not the return.

[Mfr426]

That would mean that that particular sleeve was predrilled before it was pressed in. I would think that would be the way to go. Obviously getting the sleeve lined up is paramount.

I'm eager to talk to a machine shop tomorrow.

[resq302]

Personally, I would think that drilling it after wards, meaning once it is pressed in, guarantees that you get the holes in the right location.  Plus it also cleans out the holes to the reservoir of any loose debris.

[Mfr426]

We'll find out tomorrow...

[Mfr426]

I just looked at the bore and the holes and without a doubt your are correct and it would be far easier to press in the sleeve and then drill the holes. That makes it look like a fairly simple job.

[Chatt69chgr]

I tried Rock Auto for one of the 101475's but they apparently sourced theirs from Cardone and no longer have any either.  Cardone is apparently trimming their list of available parts down because this same thing happened with the power boosters.  If there is anything you think you might need from them, I would order it now.  No telling how much longer they will have it.  These old parts are the ones being dumped.  I wouldn't be surprised if this same thing doesn't start happening with a lot of the parts we buy for 69 chargers. 

[Mfr426]

Well persistance has paid off once again! After about 5 failed attempts at NAPA to get the correct MC (and the last one was full of rust from sitting on the shelf for so long), I finally hit the jackpot yesterday! On a whim I went to a local National Auto Parts. Now keep in mind that I have had an aversion to these folks for many years (the place just seemed out of touch compared to the bigger chains). Anyway, the guy "had one" of the MCs that I needed and ordered it for me on Friday. I fully expected it to be wrong or have the lines on the wrong side when it arrived but when he got it yesterday it was 100% CORRECT!!!! Additionally it was a nice rebuilt. I disassembled it when I got home and it the cylinder was clean and machined nicely!

So, the lesson learned is that as our car's parts become more difficult to source, we'll need to look under every rock that you can find. I never thought that National, with their lame dialup modem for parts ordering, could source such an item but sure enough, they did!

Thanks for all the help in this adventure. This week I'll pull the booster for a repaint and reassemble the brakes. Perfect timing as this week it looks like we may hit 70!!!!

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Great Mike!  Keep us updated on the progress

[resq302]

Mike,

That is how I found the correct one for my car last year.  A small shop called REN Auto Parts in Denville, NJ was able to get me one.  I tried getting a spare from them this year but they kept coming through with the Cardone reman'd ones (like the one I got last year) only this had the ports on the fender side and for some reason, they cross drilled new holes and installed tubes onto the engine side.  Not only did it look like a frankenstein job, I could almost guarantee that it would have probably leaked.  So not only did they destroy what was once a perfectly good HEMI casting, they made it look like crap at the same time.  That was the whole thing that got me into picking up spare parts of the hard to find items for our cars.  Now I am on the look out for another "spare" hemi style brake booster just to have in case mine ever craps out and I am going to a show the next day or so.  I have 3 extra 4 piston calipers, one of which is rebuilt and ready to get installed should I have a problem.  The other two are in despirate need of rebuilding as the pistons are frozen into the bores.  Definitely a candidate for a sleeve job in them.

[Mfr426]

Brian, I know EXACTLY the Frankenstein job that you are referring to. They did the same with the last MC that I retured for being rusted internally. It had "ears" on all sides and would have looked like hell.

Funny, the core deposit on the correct one was $15.00. I will be keeping my core for a future sleeve job as well should I need it.

[resq302]

Same thing I did.  For $15, it is cheap insurance just to have another one in your possession.

[Mfr426]

 

[Chatt69chgr]

The saga of the master cylinders continues.  I reported in an earlier post that RockAuto didn't have the 10-1475 master.  That was based on me ordering two they said they had and getting an e-mail saying sorry---no longer available from mfr.  Well, I figured that was it.  Based on an earlier post, I called my friendly National Auto Parts store in Knoxville, TN (we don't have one in Chattanooga) and they checked and said they had one in their system---and only one.  I said fine, order it.  Then the next day, I get a second e-mail from RockAuto saying they were shipping two 10-1475's.  What the hey?  So I figured I would just lay low and see what they sent.  Well, one was correct and one had the extra ears on the left side.  I sent that one back.  Then the one from National came and it was correct.  So I have one to use in the car and one for a spare.  When I called Rockauto to send the "bad" one back, I asked the guy if they had any more and he said no.  Also, the National guy got the good one out of his Florida warehouse.  Said it was the last one listed on their system.  There still may be some out there in mom and pop stores----who knows.  But what a crazy turn of events.  As Mfr426 says, sometimes persistance really does pay off. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

The saga of the master cylinders continues. I reported in an earlier post that RockAuto didn't have the 10-1475 master. That was based on me ordering two they said they had and getting an e-mail saying sorry---no longer available from mfr. Well, I figured that was it. Based on an earlier post, I called my friendly National Auto Parts store in Knoxville, TN (we don't have one in Chattanooga) and they checked and said they had one in their system---and only one. I said fine, order it. Then the next day, I get a second e-mail from RockAuto saying they were shipping two 10-1475's. What the hey? So I figured I would just lay low and see what they sent. Well, one was correct and one had the extra ears on the left side. I sent that one back. Then the one from National came and it was correct. So I have one to use in the car and one for a spare. When I called Rockauto to send the "bad" one back, I asked the guy if they had any more and he said no. Also, the National guy got the good one out of his Florida warehouse. Said it was the last one listed on their system. There still may be some out there in mom and pop stores----who knows. But what a crazy turn of events. As Mfr426 says, sometimes persistance really does pay off.

I tried ordering one from Rock Auto as well back in January......they called me and said they couldnt get one....cool that you got one from them

[Mfr426]

Sounds like you guys made out OK then too? Frankly, I'm surprised that we've been able to get these period!