nos superbird nosecone for sale

[BigBlockSam]

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[tan top]

i wonder what that will go for ....  thinking a bout it if i had a superbird & drove it in stead of trailering it or a clone , i think i would scared to put a NOS on it for fear of somebody damaging it , i think i would feel better having a repop one & keeping the NOS cone  unused ..

[daytonalo]

What advantage would it be to spend a small fortune on this vs a re-pop metal , besides bragging you spent some of your kids college money ?

[tan top]

 none

[resq302]

if it was painted, would that still be considered NOS?

[62 Max]

Painted or not,I'd be suprised if it doesn't double what it is now.

[69_500]

Larry you ask what would be the advantage of getting that one over buying a reproduction? ONE major difference ORIGIONAL and reproduction. Even my 3 year old understands that one.

[Aero426]

if it was painted, would that still be considered NOS?

I did the same thing to a NOS Bird hood several years ago to keep it from rusting.  I guess if anything it opens the door to question what the nose really is.  For instance, is it a Gene Gregory steel nose from ten years ago, or a real NOS nose?    NOS noses are delivered in cosmoline.    If I had to bet, I would believe it is the real deal NOS piece.

[daytonalo]

Thanks for the tip sunshine !!!!!! I will go very slow for you , IS IT WORTH MAYBE SPENDING TWICE ON A NOS PART , WHEN A REPOP IS CORRECT , WHAT DID YOU GAIN ?  OK HAVING THE BOX RIGHT ?

[hemigeno]

Under that same logic then Larry, a clone of any musclecar should be worth as much as the original.  Ain't gonna happen.  Period.

[daytonalo]

Hey were on the same page , a real hemi daytona 350 - 800 k , a done correctly replica 125k any questions ??

[hotrod98]

I mentioned this several months ago, but I believe a lot of wingcar owners think that their car has the original nose, when in fact it has one of Gean Gregory's repro noses. Gean built a bunch of them a few years back. Where are they if they're not on someone's car? He sold every one of them and I don't think those noses were used on clones. Gean even mentioned to me that they were mostly bought by the guys with the real wingcars. He said that the cloners just won't spend that kind of cash.
The funny part is...those guys are turning up their noses at clones when in fact the car that they're driving is part clone. 

[daytonalo]

And they view us like we are trash !!!!!!!!!!!

[hemigeno]

Hey were on the same page , a real hemi daytona 350 - 800 k , a done correctly replica 125k any questions ??

I would highly suspect that this is an NOS nosecone (bought 20 years ago, spot-welded wiring clips, etc.), although I don't know if it was really the wisest thing to do to epoxy prime it.  He probably did that before the whole wing car market went loopy.

Assuming that it is an NOS nose, it might not be the best candidate for a cloned car.  I'm not trying to say that any cloned Daytona/Bird/500 should have its original aero parts removed - not at all.  However, when a part like this pops up, chances are no one who is doing a clone would want to put down the cabbage for an original part when a repro part would serve just as well.  On that much, I agree.

However, I disagree with your blanket assessment that paying twice as much (or more) for an NOS nosecone is ludicrous for EVERYONE.  Here is your quote:

Thanks for the tip sunshine !!!!!! I will go very slow for you , IS IT WORTH MAYBE SPENDING TWICE ON A NOS PART , WHEN A REPOP IS CORRECT , WHAT DID YOU GAIN ? OK HAVING THE BOX RIGHT ?

(emphasis added)

If you had an original Bird (wouldn't even have to be a HemiBird in my book) missing its nosecone, it might very much be worth the investment in the part.  The box doesn't matter, but having an original nosecone DOES.

From a clone perspective, I agree - there might be alternatives like Gean Gregory's noses that make real good economic sense.  To make the blanket statement that you did is not correct at all - no matter how slowly you explain it.     Not everyone is building a clone, some are fixing up original cars - plus, if you don't like the price it's going for, don't bid.  It's that simple.  Even this country boy from Missouri can figure that out.

Oh, and not everyone looks at clones as trash.  That's classic stereotyping on your part - but why am I not surprised?

hotrod, you make a good point that some folks who bought their cars "done" in the last 10 years or so might not even realize that their car has a repro nose on it.  If that's the case though, someone DID know that and failed to disclose it to a subsequent buyer.  Could have been a flipper who bought the car and was told that factoid, but conveniently left that off the description when selling it to someone else to make a few more greenbacks.

If my original nose gets banged up beyond repair, you bet I'd put a repro steel nose on it if I couldn't find/buy an original.  I'd feel obligated to tell whomever I sold the car to about that change, and there would be photos out the wazoo about it as well.  However, that doesn't mean that every subsequent owner/seller would faithfully relay that same information.  Kinda like Danny (69_500) and I were talking about on Saturday.  It's amazing how many numbers-matching Daytonas and 500s are out there now that were documented as not having their original engines back when they were for sale in the '80s.

[69_500]

Well I was going to explain my comment a little more but I think that Gene covered it pretty well.

I never said there was a bad thing about a clone, however I personally to be honest don't care for them too much. Not to say that they are bad, but just not my cup of tea. Yeah I'd love to have a wing car? Do I have the money to get a real one? NO. do I have the money to buy a clone? Probably. Will I? NO. Its just my opinion but I'd rather be without a wing car, than to have a clone. That is just by my choice.

However is a real Superbird nose cone worth more than a repro? Definately.

[BigBlockSam]

yea, i agree clones suck , now replica's are real cool. 

i appreciate the machine . if it's a well built machine, i can dig it .

I personally to be honest don't care for them too much 

you have never seen a wing car replica that you like? thats kinda strange . i don't like vw's but i've seen some that are cool . Rene

[gtx6970]

What advantage would it be to spend a small fortune on this vs a re-pop metal , besides bragging you spent some of your kids college money ?

Depends on how 'Correct' the repop is. I can assure you some people will not buy repop parts. it's mint used - or nos factory parts only.
Granted that portion of people is growing smaller by the minute, but they do exist.

[69_500]

I'm trying to think if any clones, or replica's whatever you want to call them, all the same to me. And I really can't think of any that I really liked. Now granted, I did kind of like the HEMI 500 that was recently for sale on ebay, with the Daytona nose and wing. However I like that car for what it is, a HEMI 500, now the wing and nose are fine, but I'd prefer it to be a 500. It would be fun to drive in its current state, but if I had purchased the car I'd have taken it back to a 500.

[BigBlockSam]

if I had purchased the car I'd have taken it back to a 500. 

[K9COP]

It finished at $8350.. come on.

[daytonalo]

if it really was NOS , he gave it away , considering a repo sells for 7500.00 . The guy thought he could retire from it more than likely .

[Mfr426]

He DID give that away and to Mr. Frank Mitchell....

Frank will sell that for four times that...

[Ghoste]

Or let it sit in storage as a housing project for spiders gathering dust until it does.

[69_500]

Well it appears to have been sitting in somewhere for the past 20+ years anyways. So what is anothe 20 years of storage.

[Ghoste]

Good point.

[hotrod98]

There are many types of wingcar recreations out there from almost exact duplicates to over the top rides that seem almost undrivable. While I like most of them, I love Ron Jenkins' 68 version. Would I build one this wild...maybe. Do I want one this wild...heck yeah. I met Ron at the SEMA show last fall and talked to him for quite a while. We talked about the aero forum and he seemed interested in the fact that there were so many of us trying to repro the wingcar parts and wingcar clones. I got the idea that he might be interested in building more wingcar hotrods.

[Gary42]

As soon as I saw it was Mitchell, I knew right away it would be his, as I have bought many parts from them already and I can assure you that they get what they are asking for it. If Mitchell sends you a message asking questions about your part for sale, they practically ask you to give it to them, as case in point with a friend from Long Island that sold a 71 RT hood. They offered him $1500.00 and said that was probably going to be the best offer he would get for it, it sold for $3500.
I wish I had that kind of money to throw around for the real thing, heck I wish I had enough money to convince Hotrod to give up all his little projects for everyone else and take on my car. Over a year later and all that has been accomplished by the guy I hired to fix it, was the drivers side quarter cut off, and the lower passanger side cut into. I guess by the year 2010 that 72 Rally should be worth ten times what I paid for it, and it will still be sitting on the same old jack stands.
Just food for thought.

[DoubleDlover]

Nose has been reposted on ebay. by it now for 16,000. Well thats a steal.. No one would be afraid to bolt it on the car and drive on the road along side all the illegals and idiots now right? .. way cool......

[daytonalo]

Click on the new auction , and look under Q+A , who asked that question ??

[Aero426]

Click on the new auction , and look under Q+A , who asked that question ??

You know, I've seen that kind of outspoken "tell us how you really feel" talk on this board before.   It seems kind of familiar.   Really though, I have no idea who it was.    But asking Frank for the extra service would indicate some curiousities that are unfulfilled.     Oh well...

I'm surprised FM posted that on the listing!

[69_500]

I don't know who would ask that question, but I can tell you that it definately wasn't called for.

[daytonalo]

I agree , that type of language should never be displayed publicly !!!!!!!

[nascarxx29]

 Ive several nos noses showing up .If they do get sold would you ut it on your car.Or keep it away and run a repo.I remember seeing a nos daytona nose from $3000.00 .Couldnt bring myself to spend so much just for one part.When I was better able to spread it all over the car in other nos resto items I aquired

[Aero426]

I agree , that type of language should never be displayed publicly !!!!!!!

Wow, the pot calls the kettle black.   

Larry, is it any coincidence that you might have emailed Frank like you did this other Ebay seller back in August?     I know you are the modest type and not one to draw attention to yourself. 

I just e-mailed this fucking genital wort and offering him 25 k to end auction early . I recommend every one to do the same ! Let's make his life a living hell , if I knew where this scumbag lives I would smash his teeth with a bat then piss on him !
                                                                                                                Larry

[472 R/T SE]

Didn't take Mitchell long to put it back up for sale.

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[62 Max]

You guys probably won't care for  my opinion but it is his to do with it as he pleases.He had the funds to buy it and if he doubles his money,so what.It won't affect your life or mine,although some may envy.If someone buys it I don't imagine anyone will hold a gun to their head.I see a lot of repop clone parts on this forum at a substantial price and imaginge the profit margin on some are very good.If you are not the buyer don't worry about it.If you are interested and have the money thats your perogative.I've yet to see anyone buy high and sell low.It just don't work that way!

[Ghoste]

Well, you are right of course, but the thing with Frank is that he has a many year established reputation in the Mopar hobby and he takes the "buy low, sell high" to a new level.  He isn't always very "personable" in real life either.  He may not be on the order of a Hans Ludke, but he has used a few pages from the same playbook.