26" 054 Radiators?

[69fuchs]

yes, he had them at carlisle and the nats.  They look perfect.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Thats some good info, I guess that pretty much sums up the radiator theories.

So, now on to the power steering coolers............was that a stand alone option?

Again, same theory applies....any car that got an optional axle package 3.55 & higher.......

Added one to mine

[Charger4404spd]

So with my Dana 3.54, mine wouldnt have one?

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Do not believe so........

3.55 Perf Axle package
3.91 Super perf package 
4.10 Super track pack

[69fuchs]

My trak pack 69 has the power steering cooler and a 054 radiator. Last licensed in 1975, Ive owned it since 1988.  I think there is more to this than everone thinks.......

[694spdRT]

My trak pack 69 has the power steering cooler and a 054 radiator. Last licensed in 1975, Ive owned it since 1988.  I think there is more to this than everone thinks.......

Like earlier mentioned I have the same setup... A33 Track Pak with the 054 radiator and the power steering cooler. They were there at least since the early 1970's and I seriously doubt the guy before me added a thing....he was good at removing hard to find 4 speed stuff though. 

Is this Medium Cooling Package Hemigeno found mention of a possible answer?

[hemigeno]

According to the info I got from Galen, the PSCooler was installed on 3.54 (and numerically-higher) geared cars.  It was listed in the excerpt I quoted earlier in this thread.  The only exception to that "rule" I have found is on '69 Hemicars, which were supposed to get the Federal-style PSPump.  I have personally not seen a Federal pump with an external cooler, but some others may have seen them. 

IMHO then...

3.54+ gear ratio, non-Hemi engine, got the Saginaw Pump with the external cooler.

That's not a hard and fast rule, but its what I've observed, and what the parts book & other resource material I have would indicate.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Geno I agree as well...speaking to my friend he also stated 3.54 & higher

[694spdRT]

According to the info I got from Galen, the PSCooler was installed on 3.54 (and numerically-higher) geared cars.   It was listed in the excerpt I quoted earlier in this thread.   The only exception to that "rule" I have found is on '69 Hemicars, which were supposed to get the Federal-style PSPump.   I have personally not seen a Federal pump with an external cooler, but some others may have seen them.  

I just finished reading an article in the latest Hemmings Magazine about a '69 Hemi Charger 500. The article goes on to state the owner had a difficult time finding the correct power steering pump cooler among other things.   Unfortunatley, the pics don't show the type of pump or cooler used.

BTW, the car is an automatic.

[hemigeno]

I wonder if the problem finding the "correct" PSP cooler is that a Federal-style cooler might not exist?

[694spdRT]

I don't know which pump his car has but, according to the article, he did find one for it. I wish there would have been a picture with the pump showing.

[bad1032]

theres an 054 radiator on ebay for those who need 1

[hemi68charger]

What's the physical difference between the 054 and 055...  Is one with a 2-core and one with a 3-core?..........  That's my thinking.....

Troy

[hemigeno]

What's the physical difference between the 054 and 055... Is one with a 2-core and one with a 3-core?.......... That's my thinking.....

Troy

Troy, here's what I posted on that very question a little earlier in this thread:

I spent some time with a flashlight and tape measure on my two cars, which happen to be here in the shop together.

The 054 & 055 radiators have a top tank that is identical (except for the stamping, of course)

The 054 has a bottom tank that is approximately 2-1/2" wide

The 055 has a bottom tank that is approximately 1-3/4" wide

The 054 has 3 radiator core rows

The 055 has 2 radiator core rows

Both have the stubs for the automatic transmission cooler, although both of my cars are 4-speeds (means the stubs are there, whether its a 4-speed or not)

The 055's 2 cores are not centered in the top tank, they are set rearward.  The "missing" core (as compared to an 054) is on the front side of the radiator, towards the radiator core support, meaning that the 054 & 055 radiator cores are exactly the same distance away from the fan blades.

Incidentally, mice can build a nest inside an empty 055 radiator, if the cap is left off for 22 years...   


Geno

[Charger4404spd]

Hmmm, my build sheet calls for an 055 in mine. I would think sinse mine is a TracPack car with a 440, max cooling, it should have had the 054. 

[hemigeno]

Hmmm, my build sheet calls for an 055 in mine. I would think sinse mine is a TracPack car with a 440, max cooling, it should have had the 054.

Here's what I had come up with before:

Very interesting. You'd think any car with max cooling would have the 3 core.

I just dug through some old paperwork from 1998, when GG sent me some info on my R/T right after I bought it.   Among other things, he lists the following:

A33 TRACK PAK:
D56      3.54:1 ratio w/9.75" DANA 60 Axle,
D91      Sure Grip Differential,
             Medium Cooling Package - less fan,      2949055
             Includes:   26" Width Radiator w/Fan Shroud, and Power Steering Cooler (If equipped),
N65      7 Blade Torque Drive Fan
S15      HEMI Suspension w/Front Sway Bar
S25      Firm Ride Shock Absorbers


That's the first I remember seeing anything about Medium Cooling Package, but it makes perfect sense.   My car's equipment list was later modified to include Maximum Cooling (054 radiator) because of the E74 Hemi engine.

If we have summarized this correctly (for 1969, anyway)...

A 440/auto/non-AC car would have a 22"   053 radiator (Standard Cooling)
A 440/auto/AC car would have a 26" 055 radiator (Medium Cooling)
A 440/4-speed car would have a 26" 055 radiator (Medium Cooling)
A 426 auto or 4-speed car would have a 26" 054 radiator (Maximum Cooling)

Any of the above combinations (except for the last) could be upgraded by the addition of the N51 Maximum Cooling package, and that would be coded only on the Broadcast Sheet.

Hope this helps!

Geno

Incidentally, my 440 TrackPak Daytona has an 055 Radiator coded as well.

I do wonder though - would a 440 SuperTrackPak car get the 054, or would it have the 055?  That's an angle I hadn't considered before...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

My take earlier on was if you got an OPTIONAL axle package you got the max cool 054 rad
The Track Pack was standard with a 4 speed.........

[hemigeno]

My take earlier on was if you got an OPTIONAL axle package you got the max cool 054 rad
The Track Pack was standard with a 4 speed.........

Just re-read the whole thread, and I had missed what you said earlier.  I'm gonna try and put together a matrix with all of the possible combinations.

Chris, wanna check my math when I'm done?

[Charger4404spd]

My take earlier on was if you got an OPTIONAL axle package you got the max cool 054 rad
The Track Pack was standard with a 4 speed.........

Oh yeah, I remember you told me that on a while back. Too bad I have CRS!

[hemigeno]

Let's see if this matrix works:


                  440       440       426
                 no AC     AC       Hemi
Auto
3.23            053      055        054
3.55           055?     054?       054
4.10            054      054        054

Manual
3.54           055       XXX        054
4.10           054       XXX        054


Does this look right?  The only ones I'm not fairly confident of are the 3.55 gears on a 440 car...  Input?

[694spdRT]

Is there a date code to be found on the radiator? I still think my 4 speed Track Pak car had a 054 from the factory and that might help. No way to really prove it was nothing more than a mix up or line shortage though.

[hemigeno]

Is there a date code to be found on the radiator? I still think my 4 speed Track Pak car had a 054 from the factory and that might help. No way to really prove it was nothing more than a mix up or line shortage though.

There's supposed to be one on the passenger's side bracket, near the top and stamped below the top mounting bolt IIRC.  I think I have a picture of one somewhere - maybe I can find it afterwhile.

[694spdRT]

Thanks for the info Gene. I will check it out this weekend.

BTW: I am still on the hunt for your date coded 440 block. 

[hemigeno]

No problem Ty!

And thanks for keeping an eye out for a date-coded block too..          

Here's a pic of a radiator date code I swiped from Moparts.com:

[hemigeno]

Ty,

I finally took a look at the date code for the Daytona's radiator.  It is almost certainly the original radiator, since it still has melted pieces of the fan shroud left over from the engine fire.  At first, I was trying to read the stamping with the radiator still in the car, but the numbers didn't look right.  Strangely enough, the date code was stamped on the side of the flange that fits up against the core support / radiator yoke.

I had to yank the radiator to read the numbers.  That was simple enough for me, since there's no engine, fan, shroud, etc. to get in the way.  Just wanted to make that distinction in case you ended up not being able to make out what your stampings are.  Anyway, below are two pics that turned out half-way decently.  The Date Code reads 058- 9, which turns out to be February 27th, 1969.  That's 102 days prior to the SPD.  I sanded on the flange pretty hard, to make sure that it didn't read 158 9, which is what my K-frame's date reads.  MMC Detroit allows 120 days for the radiator date code, so that does work for my car.

I haven't been able to clearly read what the Hemicar's radiator stamping reads, and I don't want to go sanding around on it.  I'll need to take a closer look sometime, perhaps with a mirror.  I don't think it was stamped on the yoke side of the flange, thankfully.

Maybe this'll help you figure out if your 054 radiator is original??