New film of JFK's last moments released.........>>>>>

[Johnny SixPack]

I wonder what else is out there?


http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-19T231348Z_01_N19428426_RTRUKOC_0_US-KENNEDY-FOOTAGE.xml&src=rss


By Ed Stoddard

DALLAS (Reuters) - Previously unreleased footage of John F. Kennedy's fateful motorcade in Dallas moments before he was gunned down was released on Monday, a surprising new detail in a saga that has gripped the United States for four decades.

The silent 8mm film shows a beaming Jacqueline Kennedy close up in vivid color waving to the crowd.

A group of excited bystanders -- women sporting big 1960s hairstyles -- waves to the cameraman shortly before the motorcade sweeps past.

The president's coat is clearly if briefly seen bunched up on his back -- a detail that will be scrutinized by conspiracy theorists who see evidence of a plot in, among other things, the fact the bullet wounds on his jacket and body did not appear to match.

The film was donated to the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas by amateur photographer George Jefferies and his son-in-law, Wayne Graham. It was released to coincide with the Presidents Day federal holiday.

Museum curator Gary Mack said he was not surprised Jefferies took so long to come forward.

"Everyone who captured the motorcade before the assassination thinks their pictures are unimportant. But to historians, all photos and home movies are important to possibly answer questions that will be asked in the future," he said.

Located in the former Texas School Book Depository building where Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy from a sixth-floor window on November 22, 1963, the museum is devoted to Kennedy's presidency and the events surrounding his assassination.

The footage was taken less than 90 seconds before the fatal shots were fired. The 40-second film also shows the scene of the crime the following day.

The footage is sure to be new fodder for conspiracy buffs who have long maintained Kennedy was the victim of a sinister plot orchestrated by shadowy elements in either the government, the "military-industrial complex," the Mafia or communist Cuba.

"I've already seen the footage on a conspiracy Web site -- it's interesting for the conspiracy researchers to study Kennedy's coat which appears to be bunched up on his back," Mack said.

He said since Kennedy's jacket was riding high on his back, the entry wound in his body did not match the expected position in his coat -- grist for the conspiracy mill that charges more than three shots were fired.

Investigators maintain the shooting was carried out by Oswald acting alone. The most complete and best-known film of the Kennedy assassination to come to light was taken by bystander Abraham Zapruder.

Mack said the new footage offered the best view of Mrs. Kennedy in the motorcade he had ever seen.

© Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved.

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I found a link to the film in question here:

*edit: link changed*

http://fototime.com/1D176B5122E7702/orig.wmv


Talk about surreal.


Johnny

[Neal_J]

The truth is out there....

[Johnny SixPack]

The truth is out there....

Is that you, Fox Mulder.

Is this me?

[Old Moparz]

I enjoy reading about all the different possibilities whether they happened or not, but here's my theory.

It's well known that John F. Kennedy was getting it on with Marilyn Monroe.


One day in the oval office, Robert Kennedy filmed JFK doing Marilyn with a new camera he got.


Ted Kenedy wasn't there, but he found the film later & when he was throwing a party, he showed it in the room above the garage while he & some friends were drinking. He invited Joe DiMaggio, but since he was drunk, he forgot about Joe & Marilyn being a hot item.


Joe was madder than a pit bull with a hot poker in it's ass, but kept his cool because he's "Joe DiMaggio" & left. He made some coffee in his Mr. Coffee maker, & crammed a bunch of sleeping pills in Marilyn that night & that was the end of her.


He remembered Lee Harvey Oswald from his Yankee bat boy days, so he looked him up. He also knew he wasn't playing with a full deck, & bought him a gun & told him about how the evil spirits would be in Dallas riding in a ragtop.




Years later, Kevin Costner made a baseball movie & wore the number 14 on his jersey. That number happens to be more than twice as much as the number that Joe DiMaggio wore. He wasn't a pro ball player & I doubt he would have been twice as good as DiMaggio, so what gives him the reason to have a number more than twice as high? This hasn't even been addressed by any conspiracy theorists that I'm aware of. My question is why?

[Skued]

I found a link to the film in question here:

http://video.jfk.org/George_Jefferies_film.wmv


Talk about surreal.


Johnny

Link no worky  

The truth is out there, but so are the lies.     
- Dana Scully

Steve

[nh_mopar_fan]

I enjoy reading about all the different possibilities whether they happened or not, but here's my theory.

It's well known that John F. Kennedy was getting it on with Marilyn Monroe.


One day in the oval office, Robert Kennedy filmed JFK doing Marilyn with a new camera he got.


Ted Kenedy wasn't there, but he found the film later & when he was throwing a party, he showed it in the room above the garage while he & some friends were drinking. He invited Joe DiMaggio, but since he was drunk, he forgot about Joe & Marilyn being a hot item.


Joe was madder than a pit bull with a hot poker in it's ass, but kept his cool because he's "Joe DiMaggio" & left. He made some coffee in his Mr. Coffee maker, & crammed a bunch of sleeping piils in Marilyn that night & that was the end of her.


He remembered Lee Harvey Oswald from his Yankee bat boy days, so he looked him up. He also knew he wasn't playing with a full deck, & bought him a gun & told him about how the evil spirits would be in Dallas riding in a ragtop.




Years later, Kevin Costner made a baseball movie & wore the number 14 on his jersey. That number happens to be exactly twice as much as the number that Joe DiMaggio wore. He wasn't a pro ball player & I doubt he would have been twice as good as DiMaggio, so what gives him the reason to have a number twice as high? This hasn't even been addressed by any conspiracy theorists that I'm aware of. My question is why?

Ok, get your ass over and here and wipe the Pepsi off my screen.

[Charger_Fan]

CLASSIC!!

[Brock Samson]

Oh LORD Have Mercy! 

another snow day Bob?.. 

[Johnny SixPack]

Oh LORD Have Mercy! 

another snow day Bob?.. 

Harvest day over at Bob's place.

[Big Lebowski]

The beer in Teddy's hand was classic, but as an Irishman myself, I know it would look better if he had a tumbler full of whiskey in his other hand.

[Ponch ®]

I wonder what else is out there?


http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-02-19T231348Z_01_N19428426_RTRUKOC_0_US-KENNEDY-FOOTAGE.xml&src=rss


By Ed Stoddard

DALLAS (Reuters) - Previously unreleased footage of John F. Kennedy's fateful motorcade in Dallas moments before he was gunned down was released on Monday, a surprising new detail in a saga that has gripped the United States for four decades.

The silent 8mm film shows a beaming Jacqueline Kennedy close up in vivid color waving to the crowd.

A group of excited bystanders -- women sporting big 1960s hairstyles -- waves to the cameraman shortly before the motorcade sweeps past.

The president's coat is clearly if briefly seen bunched up on his back -- a detail that will be scrutinized by conspiracy theorists who see evidence of a plot in, among other things, the fact the bullet wounds on his jacket and body did not appear to match.

The film was donated to the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas by amateur photographer George Jefferies and his son-in-law, Wayne Graham. It was released to coincide with the Presidents Day federal holiday.

Museum curator Gary Mack said he was not surprised Jefferies took so long to come forward.

"Everyone who captured the motorcade before the assassination thinks their pictures are unimportant. But to historians, all photos and home movies are important to possibly answer questions that will be asked in the future," he said.

Located in the former Texas School Book Depository building where Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy from a sixth-floor window on November 22, 1963, the museum is devoted to Kennedy's presidency and the events surrounding his assassination.

The footage was taken less than 90 seconds before the fatal shots were fired. The 40-second film also shows the scene of the crime the following day.

The footage is sure to be new fodder for conspiracy buffs who have long maintained Kennedy was the victim of a sinister plot orchestrated by shadowy elements in either the government, the "military-industrial complex," the Mafia or communist Cuba.

"I've already seen the footage on a conspiracy Web site -- it's interesting for the conspiracy researchers to study Kennedy's coat which appears to be bunched up on his back," Mack said.

He said since Kennedy's jacket was riding high on his back, the entry wound in his body did not match the expected position in his coat -- grist for the conspiracy mill that charges more than three shots were fired.

Investigators maintain the shooting was carried out by Oswald acting alone. The most complete and best-known film of the Kennedy assassination to come to light was taken by bystander Abraham Zapruder.

Mack said the new footage offered the best view of Mrs. Kennedy in the motorcade he had ever seen.

© Reuters 2007. All Rights Reserved.

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I found a link to the film in question here:

http://video.jfk.org/George_Jefferies_film.wmv


Talk about surreal.


Johnny

any cool extras or blooper outtakes?

[Drache]

I found a link to the film in question here:

http://video.jfk.org/George_Jefferies_film.wmv


Talk about surreal.


Johnny

The video works you just have to wait awhile for it to buffer, even if you have highspeed it takes forever!

Link no worky  

The truth is out there, but so are the lies.     
- Dana Scully

Steve

[Johnny SixPack]

Maybe this will work better:

George Jefferies Film

[Old Moparz]

Hey Brock, it's a snow day at work.   


I missed the TV show, but I was reading this on another forum & it reminded me of this thread.   

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/13/jfk-forensics-tech.html

Tech Puts JFK Conspiracy Theories to Rest
Eric Bland, Discovery News

Nov. 13, 2008

A team of experts assembled by the Discovery Channel has recreated the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Using modern blood spatter analysis, new artificial human body surrogates, and 3-D computer simulations, the team determined that the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository was the most likely origin of the shot that killed the 35th president of the United States.

"The question we were trying to answer is, given the spatter evidence in a vehicle, and knowing an individual was sitting at a particular location, is there something we could use to determine where the shot originated?" said Steve Schliebe, a blood spatter and trace evidence specialist with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, who was part of the special investigation.

While blood spatter analysis existed in the 1960s, modern innovations have greatly improved its accuracy and the amount of information that can be gleaned from drops of blood.

"A lot of this is still fairly new, from the last 10 to 15 years," said Bevel. "Before that we thought we knew what was going on, but because of innovations like high-speed photography we have a much better appreciation of what is actually taking place."

[Mike DC]

         
I saw that show.  It satisfied me that the 6th floor was probably a real firing location for the killer/killers. 



But I personally think Kostner's infamous point about "back, and to the left" is still too damning to the single-shooter theories.  That last head strike was just not coming from behind.  No way in hell. 

One of the conspiracy stories mentions a shooter (from the front) using an explosive bullet for that last shot.  That would make more sense to me than anything else.

   

[nh_mopar_fan]

The beer in Teddy's hand was classic, but as an Irishman myself, I know it would look better if he had a tumbler full of whiskey in his other hand.

A fatal error. Everyone knows that Ted is a Chivas guy.

[BigRed66]

HIJACK:

Is it possible to assassinate Chuck Norris?

[PocketThunder]

HIJACK:

Is it possible to assassinate Chuck Norris?

NO.

Please review  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,8917.0.html

and then review  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,10440.0.html

more more more  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,6811.0.html

get my point   http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7241.0.html

[2fast4u]

  It's very difficult to discuss ANYTHING serious on this forum without someone making a joke about!  The one theroy that stands out the most for me is that there were two gunmen, one was supposed to take him down with one shot but didn't hit his mark.  He was hit in the back, and with that "mistake" the back-up plan was another shooter, the limo driver was the second gunmen.

   Remember Jackie was concerned about him when he got hit the first time by leaning into him to see "what's wrong!"
and when the limo driver seen that he was just "wonded" in the chest, he fired his shot at John's head from which the odd's are more favorable of no return! AND Jackie was trying to get the hell out of the car!  put yourself in her place_wouldn't you want to get "away" from danger! and as far as the first shot she would think to crouch down! but if the shot came from inside the car!

   Another thing to consider is that the limo driver slowed down for the first gunmen to take their shot and after he fired he sped up! I also believe that oswald was not the gunmen and was the fall guy with false promises of hope from the old trustworthy goverment! which they didn't have to make good on with oswald dead!

  Go ahead!  make fun of me!  You know will anyway! and NO, this isn't permission!

2fast

[Mike DC]

   
I have a hard time imagining that anyone truly inside on a shooting plan would still be willingly riding in the limo. 

If you're the limo driver it's easy to say, "They won't be aiming at me."  But see if you still feel that way when it comes time to strap yourself into that car four feet away from the target.   



Besides, what if the outside shooter(s) accidentally put one through the limo driver's head in the process of the whole thing?  That would cause a total mess.  The limo would crash or at least stop, probably in full public view.  The driver would be at risk for being found with a gun setup on him to hit the president, and there's your multi-person conspiracy proof right there. 

[bakerhillpins]

   
I have a hard time imagining that anyone truly inside on a shooting plan would still be willingly riding in the limo. 

Er... people strap explosives to themselves and then wonder into a crowd to take out people they don't agree with. I don't see how it isn't possible.

Bryan

[Guns N Rotors]

I have read much on this subject over the years, and I believe the following to be true;

Oswald was the lone gunman.
He was a f*&@-up and a goof, but he acted alone.

There was a conspiracy however.
But not a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

There was a conspiracy after Kennedy was shot and killed by Oswald.
The conspiracy I'm speaking of was the one perpetrated by the Secret Service, the CIA, the Dallas Police, and the FBI.

They all conspired to cover their ASS.
They had nothing to do with Oswald's private plan to kill the President and get himself some fame and notoriety.
But afterwards, they all scrambled to cover-up the details of their own inattention to detail, their failure to protect the unprotect-able, and their own shame at letting a popular US President get his head blown-open on their watch.

And because they all covered-up, concealed facts, hid documents, destroyed evidence of their various oversights, the conspiracy-kooks (like Oliver Stone for instance) came crawling out of the woodwork.
"The Government knows something. They're not telling us everything they know. All these agencies conspired to kill JFK, how dastardly!!"

JFK was popular and charismatic.
His loss was just too tragic for many to comprehend.
And the simple, sad truth that a single loner/loser/ex-Marine with a mail-order Italian carbine had taken him out in a pathetic act of desperation was way too much for them to accept.

A Government conspiracy, a Vice-Presidential order, a Mafia plot, a Fidel Castro vendetta, all these ridiculous scenarios were easier to swallow than was the sad, simple truth:

JFK was riding in an open limousine, in slow traffic, in a crowded urban environment, and any kook with a rifle could have taken him out.

And one did. 

[Mike DC]

Er... people strap explosives to themselves and then wonder into a crowd to take out people they don't agree with. I don't see how it isn't possible.

True.  But that's not really a typical govt/american way of doing things.  It wasn't necessary IMHO either. 


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A Government conspiracy, a Vice-Presidential order, a Mafia plot, a Fidel Castro vendetta, all these ridiculous scenarios were easier to swallow than was the sad, simple truth:

JFK was riding in an open limousine, in slow traffic, in a crowded urban environment, and any kook with a rifle could have taken him out.

And one did.

I see way too much of a larger picture for that.   Regardless of how many shooters and who they were, the whole incident had a lot of things that strike me as too weird for there not to have been some kind of conspiracy. 

Everything about Kennedy's body & the forensics of the whole thing were silenced right from the beginning . . . Why, if Oswald just blew him away?  What's to gain from hiding it?    The parade route was changed at the last minute too.  And Oswald was caught & presented as the killer (and then gotten rid of) too quickly & cleanly for my taste.  And some people think there were loose-end people dying suspiciously for years afterwards.   



And I know this is totally circumstantial, but the Vietnam escalation was just too convenient for me.  There was a TON of money and power at stake from Kennedy's death, and the groups most likely & capable of the assassination were the ones that benefitted.  There was a hell of a lot at stake even by american president standards. 

I just can't "follow the money" (and power) without thinking Kennedy's death was a setup.  Maybe Oswald still shot him, maybe Oswald still even thought he was a lone gunman, maybe the whole thing didn't even directly involve many more people than this, and maybe it didn't even go as planned.  But I see more than The Lone Gunman at work.

[FJ571440B]

I still say there are too many factors and too many last minute changes of that day for it to NOT be orchestrated. Who else could do that here but our own.

[2fast4u]

  this is a much larger picture than people are willing to look at.  JFK was planning on bringing down a major part of a complete goverment operation that "WE" the people didn't know anything about at the time.  His plan to disban the CIA was what he was going to do.  The Government has to have their "own" police for what they have planned for the future and with the CIA out of the picture they would be unprotected from the ever prying eyes and ears of the USA media.
   with JFK out of the picture they would have no more problems.  Even the Vice president was in on this conspiracy!

[Mike DC]

I don't know about Johnson either way.

My gut impulse is to say he didn't know, but at the same time he seems like a very complex (and sometimes downright contradictory) guy.


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The truth is, something like the JFK killing really didn't NEED everyone "in on it" to work. 

As long as the conspirators felt that the majority of the govt/congress would not have objected enough to rock the boat, then that would have been enough.  It's not like they would've needed all 535 members of congress and the heads of the FBI & CIA to sign a pact about it or anything.  Heck, the JFK killing didn't even change which political party was in the white house at the time.

[2fast4u]

      The Zapruder Film of the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy - a video of a video, so the resolution leaves much to be desired.

However, you can see what sure looks like a gun as the driver, Greer, rotates and points it over his left shoulder while his partner holds the wheel. Kennedy's poor head snaps back a split second later. Jacky tries to climb out of the back of the car, away from the gun.

William Cooper (who is also a former Naval Intelligence officer), who presented the whole of this video (of which this is only a clip) to an audience on 23 Feb 1991, said he saw clear secret documentation in 1971 showing that Kennedy was considered a security risk, and his killing was arranged and organized by the Office of Naval Intelligence, the Secret Service, the FBI and the CIA.

Cooper says the specific reasons Kennedy was killed were:

1. He wanted the CIA to cease selling and importing drugs to the American people.

2. He had ordered a plan, to be produced within a year, outlining the process of the public dissemination of information on extraterrestrial visitation.

3. He wanted the government to print its own interest-free currency, backed by silver, thereby by-passing the Federal Reserve debt-based currency system (and robbing the bankers of their ill-gotten interest).

4. He had publicly stated his intention to disband the CIA and to scatter it in a thousand different directions.

As such, he had a lot of very powerful people at odds with him.


  Bill Cooper died in 2001 by the hands of goverment officals with a false reason brought to light by them to cover this up.  He has a lot of inside information that a lot of people don't want to listen to.  You should!

[mikepmcs]

I have read much on this subject over the years, and I believe the following to be true;

Oswald was the lone gunman.
He was a f*&@-up and a goof, but he acted alone.

There was a conspiracy however.
But not a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.

There was a conspiracy after Kennedy was shot and killed by Oswald.
The conspiracy I'm speaking of was the one perpetrated by the Secret Service, the CIA, the Dallas Police, and the FBI.

They all conspired to cover their ASS.
They had nothing to do with Oswald's private plan to kill the President and get himself some fame and notoriety.
But afterwards, they all scrambled to cover-up the details of their own inattention to detail, their failure to protect the unprotect-able, and their own shame at letting a popular US President get his head blown-open on their watch.

And because they all covered-up, concealed facts, hid documents, destroyed evidence of their various oversights, the conspiracy-kooks (like Oliver Stone for instance) came crawling out of the woodwork.
"The Government knows something. They're not telling us everything they know. All these agencies conspired to kill JFK, how dastardly!!"

JFK was popular and charismatic.
His loss was just too tragic for many to comprehend.
And the simple, sad truth that a single loner/loser/ex-Marine with a mail-order Italian carbine had taken him out in a pathetic act of desperation was way too much for them to accept.

A Government conspiracy, a Vice-Presidential order, a Mafia plot, a Fidel Castro vendetta, all these ridiculous scenarios were easier to swallow than was the sad, simple truth:

JFK was riding in an open limousine, in slow traffic, in a crowded urban environment, and any kook with a rifle could have taken him out.

And one did. 

+1

[Mike DC]

Well, everyone has got their opinion about it.

I see America in 1960-1980 as just being just a little too full of assasinations in general.  They probably weren't huge conspiracies every time but the overall pattern is striking. 



Nowadays it seems like they've evolved past needing to actually kill people.  Now it seems like it's more about keeping people from ever getting a real voice/power and discrediting the dangerous ones who do.

[TheGhost]

I blame George Bush.

[Mike DC]

Yeah, he probably did it.  Either him or Cheney. 

[Old Moparz]

Yeah, he probably did it.  Either him or Cheney. 

Well, it's not like Cheney "wouldn't" shoot someone.   

[Guns N Rotors]

I can see how some people will picture similarities with the
JFK shooting and Dick Cheney shooting an attorney incident.

I remember when the hunting accident happened and these
questions immediately sprang to mind;

• Was Cheney the lone gunman as the Government reps claim,
or was there a second shooter up on the grassy knoll?

• What about attorney Whittington's connections to Castro,
and the New Orleans Mob??

• How does Halliburton profit from all this?

• Lady Bird Johnson, where does she fit into this picture?

• Whittington's head reportedly snapped back when he was shot,
  but a peppering of #8 birdshot at 103' should normally cause a lawyer
  to flinch forward and right, forward and right, ....forward and....right.

• Why will they let you into a ballgame with one of those 120 db air-horns,
  but just try to get in there with one or two quiet, innoffensive 16 oz. Budweiser
  tall-boys, and you get tossed out on your ear!!

• Women always want you to be honest, but if you tell them those jeans make
  their butt look fat, they get all mad.

• "Whittington was taken to Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital" Corpus Christi, literally,
  the body of Christ. Has anybody checked Dick Cheney for the Mark Of The Beast?

  Or maybe I'm just reading too much into this.

[mikepmcs]