Good article on daytonas in June 2007 Mopar Action

[johntpr]

Here is a little taste

http://www.moparaction.com/Article/WonderWings/wings.html

[tan top]

good pictures     should be getting my copy soon then               they say 70 coronet fenders on a daytona

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

is that go-mango???

[johntpr]

I already pointed out to them that error about Daytona fenders being in no way related to Coronets.  They mixed  up Daytonas and Superbirds.  The Orange Daytona was a 999 paint code car...Omaha Orange..apparently Ditzler paint code DRA60436 according to the article.

[daytonalo]

I thought we discussed before that no daytona's were painted that color ?

[hemi68charger]

Excellent article John, thanks for the posting....... I have those pictures in my Resto. album now.... 

Troy

[tan top]

I already pointed out to them that error about Daytona fenders being in no way related to Coronets.  They mixed  up Daytonas and Superbirds.  The Orange Daytona was a 999 paint code car...Omaha Orange..apparently Ditzler paint code DRA60436 according to the article.

 

I thought we discussed before that no daytona's were painted that color ?

                    never seen a 999  paint code on a  daytona  before    .....    it must be  special order Omaha orange  . can't be 68 Bengal orange.    ....................

[UFO]

The 999 code car was in one of those rare finds type of article.If I remenber right husband buys daytona instead of fridge,later gets divorced wife keeps car to p-off ex.

[Ghoste]

June??  And to think that mag comes out of NYC.

[69_500]

good looking article. That isn't the car that he had on display in Vegas last year is it?

[hemigeno]

That is one very rare Daytona...

Did anyone notice from looking at the fender tag that the build date (520) seems way off for what a 417455 VIN number should be?  All the other VINs anywhere close to that one all have 6/9, 6/10 or higher build dates.  In fact, when I first saw the tag in that link I thought it was not right.  Had to dig up my copies of the Shipping List, plus check another spreadsheet to confirm that it is correct.  Odd, but correct.

There are some very neat details about that car, and I hope the article points those out as well.  Tim has a great treasure with that one, and Roger Gibson did a fine job restoring it.  I hope mine looks that good when it's done.  Thanks for the link John!

[tan top]

Did anyone notice from looking at the fender tag that the build date (520) seems way off for what a 417455 VIN number should be?  All the other VINs anywhere close to that one all have 6/9, 6/10 or higher build dates.  In fact, when I first saw the tag in that link I thought it was not right.  Had to dig up my copies of the Shipping List, plus check another spreadsheet to confirm that it is correct.  Odd, but correct.

   

             ( hemigeno )   you mentioned   the  build date to the vin is   off  , do you think it might be  because of  999 paint code   

[hemigeno]

             ( hemigeno )   you mentioned   the  build date to the vin is   off  , do you think it might be  because of  999 paint code   

I haven't done as much research on the Factory's procedures when it comes to the assignment of VIN numbers as David Patik has.  However, I agree there's a real possibility that the oddball paint played a role in that disjointed build-date/VIN. 

Lenox Dodge (the dealer that ordered this car) is listed as receiving four Daytonas.  The S.O. number of three of those cars are sequential, with this car being in the middle of those three.  Oddly enough, the next S.O. car (presumably the next car that Lenox Dodge ordered) ended up being the very last Daytona ever produced, 434780 - with a build date of 6/26.  Offhand, I don't know if anyone knows the whereabouts of 434780, but it might be an oddball car too.

Since this 999 painted car was obviously special-ordered, there is a very good chance that they had to round up the paint.  The procurement of the special paint might not have happened until the plant actually entered the car into the production sequence, so they may have had to guess about how long it would take to get the 999 paint there and push the VIN sequence out a ways.  It would be interesting to know about some of the date codes on that car - which would give some clues about its actual build date.

If I remember, I'll bounce David Patik about this sometime.  I think he cringes when he gets an email from me, since it's always something weird...

[tan top]

  intersting stuff (hemigeno)      may be 434780  is in a private collection somewere  because of being the last one

[69_500]

I did some digging for any information on the last Daytona, but came up blank Gene. I don't have any other information on it. Otherwise I'd gladly share it with ya.

Does anyone know the actual paint mixture for the 999 paint code? Or even for R4 red for that matter? Trying to do an exact color match to the 999 paint code, and R4 red. But can't find the color mixture percentages listed anywhere.

[hemigeno]

All I've ever seen is a Ditzler code for R4 or the 999 paint.  Is that what you're looking for?

[69_500]

Not exactly. I'm looking more for the color percentages of Red, Cyan, Blue, Green, Yellow and such to make those colors. to do a perfect color match to the origionals on the computer.

[tan top]

yeah i know what you mean  that actual paint formulation , you read on the micro fisch when mixing the  tinter's  be weight..   find the paint manufacturer you need on the net , some times you have to register with them then , you can search their sight for the paint formula . another option would be  phone that particular paint company technical help  & they will either tell you over the phone or fax it to you . a local paint suppliers & paint shop would be able to do the same if they are using the particular brand you want . as each different manufacturer has their own mix to achieve that color ,

[69_500]

Thanks for the input. You got it right, as in what I'm looking for. I want to know the exact color mixture needed to make those colors. I'm reseting the white balance on everything I have on my computer, so I'm wondering how close the colors on my photo's are to the real colors.

[tan top]

Thanks for the input. You got it right, as in what I'm looking for. I want to know the exact color mixture needed to make those colors. I'm reseting the white balance on everything I have on my computer, so I'm wondering how close the colors on my photo's are to the real colors.

   

   cleaver stuff  ( 69_500)    

[69_500]

Everytime I shoot a photo of a car at a show, I try to remember to set the white balance to whatever the lighting source is. I was just wondering how true to form that would be. Wanted to take a sample of paint from a survivor car that is R4 red, and compare its color make up from the photo, to that of the actual source color mixture.

[tan top]

thats true  ,, take a photo of a car at a show & when you see it in print it can be different , also the light conditions  don,t help. i could of got you any paint formula you needed a while ago as i was  the main painter at a large crash repair shop for 16 years ,  i mixed all paint colors on site . you be surprised what color mixing basics  are in a formula .   also when photos are processed the inks sometimes can not match the color exactly

[Winga]

I already pointed out to them that error about Daytona fenders being in no way related to Coronets.  They mixed  up Daytonas and Superbirds.  The Orange Daytona was a 999 paint code car...Omaha Orange..apparently Ditzler paint code DRA60436 according to the article.

 

I thought we discussed before that no daytona's were painted that color ?

                    never seen a 999  paint code on a  daytona  before    .....    it must be  special order Omaha orange  . can't be 68 Bengal orange.    ....................

Roger (Gibson) said "quote, this car's only claim to fame is, .............that it's the only one painted competition orange..........un quote"

[69_500]

I'm wondering how close in color is that 999 for the Daytona to the 999 HEMI 500 that was built? anyone know if its the same color/shade?

I use a light meter, and a white balance sheet on most of my photo's that I take for specific reasons at car shows. For other cars than wing cars I tend to just shoot.

[tan top]

              Roger (Gibson) said "quote, this car's only claim to fame is, .............that it's the only one painted competition orange..........un quote"

 

     intresting info (winga)      competition orange sounds more like a old AMC ...or ... chebby color, ford do that color i believe but it is for new  model's .       it looks more  like Vitamin C  orange to me now

[hemigeno]

I did some digging around and found some documents related to the 999 color.  It was called Omaha Orange, although I have heard it referred to Competition Orange also - but mostly Omaha.

The first pic is a document announcing the phasing out of Omaha Orange into K2 Vitamin C Orange.  While this document was for the Plymouth car line, it certainly establish the legitimacy of the code.  I checked my Dodge TSB's, and there is no reference whatsoever to the 999 paint code, but there are at least two '69 Chargers painted this color, plus I think the '68 Bengal Chargers used this same shade of orange.

The second document was found in a '68 999-painted Barracuda showing the paint code numbers which also appear on the paint color charts.

The last is a narrative that someone had written up about the origins of the 999 Orange cars.  I wouldn't necessarily think that the information in it is gospel, but it makes for a good read anyway.

[tan top]

that  was intresting reading    (hemigeno)  thanks for posting 

[69_500]

Is he saying that he ordered over 100 cars in 1968 with the 999 paint code? There is 1 HEMI 500 that also bears the 999 paint code. Awsome car.

[tan top]

Is he saying that he ordered over 100 cars in 1968 with the 999 paint code? There is 1 HEMI 500 that also bears the 999 paint code. Awsome car.

 

   intresting     never seen a picture of that one      . i reckon  there must of been more than a  few rare color & 999 painted chargers that went to the crusher back in the day.

[daytonalo]

Did anyone else notice front side of lower rad support ? It looks semi black

[Aero426]

Did anyone else notice front side of lower rad support ? It looks semi black

Yes it's black, what about it?

[hemigeno]

Does anyone know the actual paint mixture for the 999 paint code? Or even for R4 red for that matter? Trying to do an exact color match to the 999 paint code, and R4 red. But can't find the color mixture percentages listed anywhere.

Danny, I have not found a formula for the Omaha Orange just yet, but perhaps I'll find one sooner or later.  I did come across multiple formulas for R4 Red.  I'm not a paint guy so I can't really say if this is what you're looking for or not, but I figured I would post what I found.

From the PPG data base...

Charger red/Baracuda orange (same formula).
The exact formula for one gallon is:

DBC72094 - Color - cumulative - Part

DMD670 - Violet - 43.2 - 43.2
DMD646 - Weak White - 136.0 - 92.8
DMD652 - Red - 538.8 - 402.8
DMD617 - Orange - 2236.4 - 1697.6
DBX689 - Clear - 4473.2 - 2236.8

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sherwin Williams

Code: AY1DR4, R4
Color: Brt Red
Formula: J6V-2723-Y Voc Acrylic Urethane - Single Stage

F6R1105 MAGENTA 39.88%
F6Y1109 MED YELLOW 10.79%
F6E1107 MOLY ORANGE 1.17%
F6B1112 BLACK 0.03%
V2V1122 VOC CLEAR 48.13%


---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Glasurit

Dodge R4 Bright Red
Glasurit Line 22

Base Amount Cumulative
MC35 209.0 209.0 g
M201 533.7 742.8 g
M326 242.2 985.0 g
M60 45.9 1030.9 g
A126 31.0 1061.9 g
A346 12.0 1073.9 g


Danny, do I need to loan you my '69 Color & Upholstery book?  It has all the paint chips (but no Omaha Orange, unfortunately) that might help in getting the colors just right.  I can bring that along those restoration VHS tapes when I head north here in a couple of weeks.

Geno

[hemigeno]

Here's another detail related to this special-order paint Daytona...  The W21 Road Wheels are painted 99 Orange (in between the chrome spokes, of course).  On the car's broadcast sheet, the fourth line down under "Wheels" is marked 30 99 - denoting the chrome road wheels and the orange paint.

Another proof of this car's body color road wheel treatment -- that I don't recall seeing on another car, to be honest -- is the following card that was found in the car.  It says "Paint Entire Unit Encluding (sic) wheels DRA 60436"

Thanks to Doug Schellinger for sharing this picture with me:

[69_500]

Thanks for the percentages I'll see if I can duplicate the colors with those. Just let me know for sure when you are planning on heading down this way. I'm home sick with my son today. I never knew a 3 year old could make an adult so sick. I feel like crap today. Unlike him, who was sick yesterday, and is now up and running around like nothing happened.

[daytonalo]

Has anyone ever come up with the formula for #999 Omaha orange ?
I want to mix some up for test spray out .

Larry

[pettybird]

isn't omaha orange a truck/fleet color, like couldn't you look it up through the medium duty truck catalog? 


there's a '69 R/T 99 charger here, painted '67 polara brown with a pearl white top and white buckets.  it's awesome, but the color is terrible.  original paint, original owner, too!  his dad had the polara and he wanted a charger to match...

rodger wilson has a 999 '70 gtx, too--it's A3 or A4 or something like that... article a few months back in WW/NBOA about it.

[pettybird]

Here is a little taste

http://www.moparaction.com/Article/WonderWings/wings.html

john were you at the nationals???  i didn't see you or ed...

[moparstuart]

  am i wrong  wasnt  999 just a generic code for special color ( special order)  and could have been several different colors

[moparchris]

I have a good friend who owns his own body shop.  If you'd like I can ask for the formula for R4 but I believe he only uses DuPont products.  I also am friends with the local auto paint supplier who sells PPG products and they mixed all my paint for my 68 Hemi Charger which is paint code 331 which is the same as R4.  Let me know if I can help you with the paint.   As for the 999 Omaha Orange, I hate to say it but I believe that was a GMC truck color from earlier in the 60's.  I will check some of my old paint chip books to verify this statement but if my memory is correct, this would make it a very easy color for any local paint supplier to mix.  Of course counting on my memory is an iffy thing at best!!

[johntpr]

No for the first time in many years I didn't do the Nats. New baby, money tight etc

John

[Aero426]

Has anyone ever come up with the formula for #999 Omaha orange ?
I want to mix some up for test spray out .

Larry

Omaha Orange = Look up "International Harvester" chips in the formula book (among others)    

That DRA60436 referenced above should be a PPG paint code as well.