GM in talks to buy Chrysler division - I'm going to puke...

[Ghoste]

I have always been of the opinion that whenever Daimler complains about "the Chrysler arm", it was all of the American portion, Dodge and Jeep inlcuded?

[bill440rt]

how can a chevy afford to buy Chrysler, thought they were doing bad themselves

Its all over the news Silver, FORD is in the crapper, NOT Chevy. Gees. Ford lost $12.7 billion for 2006 a new mustang per minute.
If Chevy does by Mopar, the next thing you'll here or see is a conversion kit availability. Good Wrench Z71 350 long blocks for our mopars, big block 502 crate motor now made to fit in our mopars, I'll buy a GT 40 if that crap happends. I work for a chevy dealership also, but drive Ford trucks. I'd rather walk than drive a chevy.
Mark

I dunno, Mark. Everything I've read lately points to GM being in some serious financial troubles. I don't know how they'd be able to buy out Chrysler in the state they're in now.

[Troy]

HEY EVERYBODY! I just read that GM wants to buy the "Chrysler" arm of the corporation. So if they buy it, they will only own the Chrysler arm. DaimerChrysler will still own the Jeep and Dodge arms.

Can you explain how they will only own half when the cars are built on a shared platform? Wouldn't that *increase* costs and lower profits to have separate plants to produce essentially the same cars?

Troy

[Troy]

Oh, and might I say that having a company in the red or even in bankruptcy has never really stopped one from acquiring another company. There's a difference between losing money that can be sustained vs losing money that you don't have. GM is still the largest automobile manufacturer in the world and probably has a few investors willing to take a gamble. Who knows? Rumors are always floating around.

Troy

[Brock Samson]

BTW: The VIPER design team went to FORD where they did the GT...
the last real mopar design was the PT Cruiser.. that's when the Germans stepped in and delayed the Pacifica at least 18 Mos..
of course this was after giving the 300M and PT to Chysler and Eagle and Plymouths' exicution.. and they also decontented the cars too..
  The  "car guy" at MOPAR, Lutz, went to GM. Anyone seen the new Malibu?. Pretty sweet.. he also brought you the other cool new GM designs like the GTO from Australia and the new small sports cars,.. & dont forget he knows where old Mopar's body is buried too..
maybe the '99 charger will come back as an Impala SS... 

[bill440rt]

Oh, and might I say that having a company in the red or even in bankruptcy has never really stopped one from acquiring another company. There's a difference between losing money that can be sustained vs losing money that you don't have. GM is still the largest automobile manufacturer in the world and probably has a few investors willing to take a gamble. Who knows? Rumors are always floating around.

Troy

Actually, according to Autoweek Toyota is hot on GM's tail to surpass them as the world's largest auto manufacturer. That is going to be their goal for the years '07-'08. 

[Troy]

Oh, and might I say that having a company in the red or even in bankruptcy has never really stopped one from acquiring another company. There's a difference between losing money that can be sustained vs losing money that you don't have. GM is still the largest automobile manufacturer in the world and probably has a few investors willing to take a gamble. Who knows? Rumors are always floating around.

Troy

Actually, according to Autoweek Toyota is hot on GM's tail to surpass them as the world's largest auto manufacturer. That is going to be their goal for the years '07-'08. 

But they haven't yet - so I'm still right. Toyota is second in the world and third in the US (after passing Chrysler).

Troy

[6pkrunner]

Toyota is trying to play down the fact that they will surpass GM in vehicle production. They fear the backlash of such news getting out. They are not trying to make the mark. They are producing the same raising maybe 6% at best. Its GM that's falling down past them as its market segment diminishes.

[89MOPAR]

 Kerkorian sold his shares in GM a few months ago. He's not a factor in this one.
Corvette Z06 is a kickasss machine, but nearly any comparison article makes it seem about even with the Viper in potential, lap times, etc,  but I understand they are selling for $20K over sticker as well. That being said a 1970 Camaro SS LT1 also is, but I wouldn't choose it over any year Charger, nor would I buy A Monte Carlo SS / Impala / new GTO -over any SRT product.

Probably nothing at all comes of this except for some talks,7 course meals, lots of plane flights and meetings, and a nice contract for JPMorgan Inc for investigating a spin-off / sale

My worry would be Mopar Perf. division / NASCAR [ they don't run chevy vs olds vs buick vs pontiac anymore] / other motorsports programs./ Jeep loses to Hummer , etc.

No , I wouldn't buy a Dodge made by GM .  Last new Chrysler/ Dodge bought new by me was in 2003.- totally happy with it .

[dkn1997]

i could quote you road tests all day that put the vette slightly ahead of the viper in some handling categories and most accelleration and speed categories.   It's a better car than the viper in every way that matters to the majority of the people who are buying them.  meaning that owning one and driving it regularly is a better experience.

I would welcome GM.  what has chrysler done for us since the 60's? They have not made one single car I would consider owning in about 35 years.  TRucks? yes, I would like one of those, but Turbo K cars?  4 door charger?  while chevy was pumping out LT1 camaros and ford was pushing 5 liter mustangs out the door, what did chrysler give us?  turbo charged 4 cylinder wrong wheel drive crap.  and a viper that nobody could afford then and nobody can afford now.  Hey, can we recycle that square cherokee again?  Because the last time they pulled it out from the rock it was hiding under, I could not get enough.  Jesus mary and joseph, who would buy a brand new truck that went out of style 15 years ago?  it's got more plastic and cladding on it than the local pep boys when high school lets out.   and then they get in bed with germans and I have to watch those stupid tv commercials with that bean pole retard dr Z telling me how shitty my chrysler corps stuff is and how it's good now because mercedes put there parts in some of it.  GM may have failed in a lot of ways, but at least they pretended to give a crap about their heritage.

Well, at least they give us Mopar Performance, what a blessing that is.  How are all of those hemi crate motors working out?  can you even get one?  how about selling viscous fan package where the clutch is so damn long that it will get intimate with the radiator in about 1/2 of the cars it will be installed in?  They have been such a joke for the longest time, good riddance. Let the current corporation get absorbed and it's identity vaporize.  then all people might remember is the cool shit that we drive.

[hemihead]

Sounds like a Chevy Guy in Mopar clothing! Maybe you would be more happy driving a 68 Camaro instead.

[BB1]

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[dkn1997]

Sounds like a Chevy Guy in Mopar clothing! Maybe you would be more happy driving a 68 Camaro instead.

  Find me one person on this board who loved every car they have made in the last 30 years and thinks that they have done a great job running the company before accusing me of that.   I spend all of my time on mopar message boards, my Year One Catalog says 62-72 B body on it.  My charger is 5th on my list of important things in life, only behind family,friends,house,job. 

[69Chrgr]

i could quote you road tests all day that put the vette slightly ahead of the viper in some handling categories and most accelleration and speed categories.   It's a better car than the viper in every way that matters to the majority of the people who are buying them.  meaning that owning one and driving it regularly is a better experience.

I would welcome GM.  what has chrysler done for us since the 60's? They have not made one single car I would consider owning in about 35 years.  TRucks? yes, I would like one of those, but Turbo K cars?  4 door charger?  while chevy was pumping out LT1 camaros and ford was pushing 5 liter mustangs out the door, what did chrysler give us?  turbo charged 4 cylinder wrong wheel drive crap.  and a viper that nobody could afford then and nobody can afford now.  Hey, can we recycle that square cherokee again?  Because the last time they pulled it out from the rock it was hiding under, I could not get enough.  Jesus mary and joseph, who would buy a brand new truck that went out of style 15 years ago?  it's got more plastic and cladding on it than the local pep boys when high school lets out.   and then they get in bed with germans and I have to watch those stupid tv commercials with that bean pole retard dr Z telling me how shitty my chrysler corps stuff is and how it's good now because mercedes put there parts in some of it.  GM may have failed in a lot of ways, but at least they pretended to give a crap about their heritage.

Well, at least they give us Mopar Performance, what a blessing that is.  How are all of those hemi crate motors working out?  can you even get one?  how about selling viscous fan package where the clutch is so damn long that it will get intimate with the radiator in about 1/2 of the cars it will be installed in?  They have been such a joke for the longest time, good riddance. Let the current corporation get absorbed and it's identity vaporize.  then all people might remember is the cool shit that we drive.

Your smoking crack if you think think GM absorbing Chrysler is a good thing. You think it's hard getting parts now, wait till GM takes over. Good night nurse. You must be easily impressed if you think LT1's are all that. GM has had the worst of quality problems, hence their own financial debacle at this time. If you really like those Camaro's, just go down to your local trailer park and you can admire them all day long, just pust the old lawnmowers and washing machines out of your way. I'm sure Bubba and his sister will tell you how great they are and how they got married and went to a Super Chevy Show on their honeymoon.

[Todd Wilson]

You guys are all focused on the GM deal. Theres many things that could happen. Hyundai is interested as well as chinese companys and several private investors in the USA.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/article1400177.ece


It really is a shame. Chrysler had trimmed the fat and was lean and mean. Doing well and had plenty of cash. Corporate greed takes over and a big merger/take over deal is cooked up to line the pockets of the top execs. Mercedes takes over and milks Chrysler for all it can in cash and now its ready to get rid if it. I would not be surprised to see the top execs at Mercedes and the Chrysler side to change after this deal is done. They will walk away with millions of $ and stocks when this deal is completed.  Makes you wonder if they have been planning this for a few years. Just last year sales were down due to the economy yet the plants kept producing new vehicles.


Todd

[StevieRT]

The bad thing is that if any of this actually happens, which it probably wont, is that all the good things that chrysler has put out over the last 5 or so years will not be blended in with Chevy, but just be axed. It would be way too much competion within the company to have a challenger and a camaro, thus the CHallenger is axed, or a charger and an impala, charger will be axed. Now I know a lot of people could care if the charger is axed but like it or not, deep down we all know its a pretty bad ass car with the tottally wrong name. The SRT ones are clicking off 13.0's outta the showroom. I mean if that exact car was the new Intrepid R/T or something like that we would all want one. Now before I get off onto a tottally different topic, the main point is that although daimler has done a lot to tarnish the Chrysler heritage, it has also done alot for its future. I mean until the GM redesigns of basically there entire line up within the last year or so, Chrysler has basically been the best American build quality you can get in the last 6 or so years. The charger/magnum/300's American competition was the taurus or the impala. What would you choose, the brand new hemi rear drive or the ancient v6 front drive? The merger between Chrysler and Daimler was more of a good thing for the future of the company than a bad thing. I guerantee that the cars Chrysler has out now would be way worse if Daimler never stepped in. Anyway we all know that Daimler's technology is way better than Chevy's and if GM/Chrysler did merge, any kind of advancement to future Chrysler models would be a step in the wrong direction. That's if there would be any advancement on the future models at all because like stated before almost everything would be axed cause its comepetion within. The Viper and Challenger would def. be axed, all the trucks would be axed, Jeep would probably be axed for Hummer, and Chrysler would be phased out for Cadillacs sake. To sum it all up, I think that with DaimlerChysler's better technology than GM's, if anything actually becomes of this, Gm would buy Chrysler, take the good ideas, and then kill most of it off, rather than actually have a normal merger and share ideas. There is just too much competition between the two, which Daimler and Chrysler did not have nearly as much of.

[dkn1997]

i could quote you road tests all day that put the vette slightly ahead of the viper in some handling categories and most accelleration and speed categories.   It's a better car than the viper in every way that matters to the majority of the people who are buying them.  meaning that owning one and driving it regularly is a better experience.

I would welcome GM.  what has chrysler done for us since the 60's? They have not made one single car I would consider owning in about 35 years.  TRucks? yes, I would like one of those, but Turbo K cars?  4 door charger?  while chevy was pumping out LT1 camaros and ford was pushing 5 liter mustangs out the door, what did chrysler give us?  turbo charged 4 cylinder wrong wheel drive crap.  and a viper that nobody could afford then and nobody can afford now.  Hey, can we recycle that square cherokee again?  Because the last time they pulled it out from the rock it was hiding under, I could not get enough.  Jesus mary and joseph, who would buy a brand new truck that went out of style 15 years ago?  it's got more plastic and cladding on it than the local pep boys when high school lets out.   and then they get in bed with germans and I have to watch those stupid tv commercials with that bean pole retard dr Z telling me how shitty my chrysler corps stuff is and how it's good now because mercedes put there parts in some of it.  GM may have failed in a lot of ways, but at least they pretended to give a crap about their heritage.

Well, at least they give us Mopar Performance, what a blessing that is.  How are all of those hemi crate motors working out?  can you even get one?  how about selling viscous fan package where the clutch is so damn long that it will get intimate with the radiator in about 1/2 of the cars it will be installed in?  They have been such a joke for the longest time, good riddance. Let the current corporation get absorbed and it's identity vaporize.  then all people might remember is the cool shit that we drive.

Your smoking crack if you think think GM absorbing Chrysler is a good thing. You think it's hard getting parts now, wait till GM takes over. Good night nurse. You must be easily impressed if you think LT1's are all that. GM has had the worst of quality problems, hence their own financial debacle at this time. If you really like those Camaro's, just go down to your local trailer park and you can admire them all day long, just pust the old lawnmowers and washing machines out of your way. I'm sure Bubba and his sister will tell you how great they are and how they got married and went to a Super Chevy Show on their honeymoon.

I am not easily impressed with an Lt1 camaro or a 5 liter mustang. But Name one car that chrysler made during that time that was anything better, or even close. that's all I am saying.  and the reason you can go to a trailer park and find these camaros is that they were enormousely popular and they sold a ton of them (obviosely, that changed later with the body style change and poor marketing that pretty much killed it)  and at least you can find them running somewhere.  where are all of those L body turbo cars from the 80's.  they were throwaway cars at best. 

and I would take GM before mercedes any day.  maybe mercedes does a good job runnign chrysler, I don't know, but I can't stand their condescending attitude towards americans which comes out loud and clear in their marketing.  and we can talk all we want, GM is never going to do this thing anyway.  it's fun for all of us to debate the merits of it, but it's never gonna happen.  and show me a study or stats that say GM has had "worst of"  quality issues.   that means that they have to finish dead last or that part of your post is just as silly as saying that I am on crack because you disagree with me.

[Troy]

*IF* GM were to buy Chrysler it would be to own the brand. I cannot possibly imagine that they'd buy the company and then kill off all the cars. That would prove they are clueless (and I don't believe they are). Mercedes didn't axe all the cars from Daimler that were in direct competition with their own models. GM already has cars that compete against each other (that's a bonus as they can turn out multiple cars on the same platform). The main problem I see is the legal standpoint - would GM be closing in on monopoly status and get blocked by the FTC?

I'd say it is more likely that if the company gets sold it will be to a group of investors and not another car company. Stranger things have happened but when you're shopping around for a buyer you start with the most likely suspects first (other car companies). Renault seems to have an interest in acquiring a larger stake in the US auto market so that's a possibility. I seriously doubt if they'd make too many changes with the existing models either. Realistically, and sale will involve a change in mailing addresses and some management but they aren't just going to turn the company upside down. It will be a division of a larger entity with its own brand, structure, and goals.

Troy

[bandit67]

 Tell me if I a looking at this wrong..........I want all of the BIG three to survive. I think we get better cars BECAUSE of the efforts of each. I think the Viper gets improved because of the vette. I think because of the new Mustang the Challenger and if there is a new Camaro, will have to be made better.   And look at who made our war machines when America was at war.  My father in law fought the Japs in Luzon in WW11, he said , I respect those people, and I will buy a Jap car before I walk, but will support our car companies in America as long as they survive. Our politiacians have shipped our jobs and ways of life overseas. They intend to dissolve our borders.....I feel helpless in preserving the heritage I have been blessed to enjoy, for my kids. I am for keeping things American for as long as I can.............J

[mauibarber]

You guys who are worried about GM buying Chrysler are in luck!  I just was watching cnbc and they said that there are two Chinese car companys that are interested in purchasing Chrysler.  So no worries about having a Chevy Challenger.  You will have a Chinese Challenger.  Feel better now? 

[dkn1997]

great, can I get the pork fried rice with that?

[hemi-hampton]

All has to do with Money, Nothing else, Top exacts that makes the descisions only concern is to line there Pockets, Like the Chrysler/Daimler Merger the exacts pocketed millions & this deal was done right at the end of there term on there way out, Last minute deal to pocket millions before they left, What happened to the Company afterwards they had zero concern for. Same with Axing the Camaro, the real reason was to make millions by getting out of there deal with Canada. Not that lame excuse they gave, just a smoke screen. All greedy Exect desicions to make millions, cash out. nothing else.

[hemi-hampton]

GM only wants Chrysler so they can Put the Hemi in the new Camaro.

[69Chrgr]

i could quote you road tests all day that put the vette slightly ahead of the viper in some handling categories and most accelleration and speed categories.   It's a better car than the viper in every way that matters to the majority of the people who are buying them.  meaning that owning one and driving it regularly is a better experience.

I would welcome GM.  what has chrysler done for us since the 60's? They have not made one single car I would consider owning in about 35 years.  TRucks? yes, I would like one of those, but Turbo K cars?  4 door charger?  while chevy was pumping out LT1 camaros and ford was pushing 5 liter mustangs out the door, what did chrysler give us?  turbo charged 4 cylinder wrong wheel drive crap.  and a viper that nobody could afford then and nobody can afford now.  Hey, can we recycle that square cherokee again?  Because the last time they pulled it out from the rock it was hiding under, I could not get enough.  Jesus mary and joseph, who would buy a brand new truck that went out of style 15 years ago?  it's got more plastic and cladding on it than the local pep boys when high school lets out.   and then they get in bed with germans and I have to watch those stupid tv commercials with that bean pole retard dr Z telling me how shitty my chrysler corps stuff is and how it's good now because mercedes put there parts in some of it.  GM may have failed in a lot of ways, but at least they pretended to give a crap about their heritage.

Well, at least they give us Mopar Performance, what a blessing that is.  How are all of those hemi crate motors working out?  can you even get one?  how about selling viscous fan package where the clutch is so damn long that it will get intimate with the radiator in about 1/2 of the cars it will be installed in?  They have been such a joke for the longest time, good riddance. Let the current corporation get absorbed and it's identity vaporize.  then all people might remember is the cool shit that we drive.

Your smoking crack if you think think GM absorbing Chrysler is a good thing. You think it's hard getting parts now, wait till GM takes over. Good night nurse. You must be easily impressed if you think LT1's are all that. GM has had the worst of quality problems, hence their own financial debacle at this time. If you really like those Camaro's, just go down to your local trailer park and you can admire them all day long, just pust the old lawnmowers and washing machines out of your way. I'm sure Bubba and his sister will tell you how great they are and how they got married and went to a Super Chevy Show on their honeymoon.

I am not easily impressed with an Lt1 camaro or a 5 liter mustang. But Name one car that chrysler made during that time that was anything better, or even close. that's all I am saying.  and the reason you can go to a trailer park and find these camaros is that they were enormousely popular and they sold a ton of them (obviosely, that changed later with the body style change and poor marketing that pretty much killed it)  and at least you can find them running somewhere.  where are all of those L body turbo cars from the 80's.  they were throwaway cars at best. 

and I would take GM before mercedes any day.  maybe mercedes does a good job runnign chrysler, I don't know, but I can't stand their condescending attitude towards americans which comes out loud and clear in their marketing.  and we can talk all we want, GM is never going to do this thing anyway.  it's fun for all of us to debate the merits of it, but it's never gonna happen.  and show me a study or stats that say GM has had "worst of"  quality issues.   that means that they have to finish dead last or that part of your post is just as silly as saying that I am on crack because you disagree with me.

Yeah, and Disco was also popular. I guess those two(Camaros that is), along with the trailer parks, go hand and hand. Hmmm. Yeah those Camaros were well built cars, I tell you what . Lets see, I seem to remember every damn one that had broken in half door handles, broken of interior handles, having to look over the dashboard that peeled up from the sun, trying to engage the starter about 5 times as it needed to be "shimmed" to line up with the flywheel, feeling the headliner tickle your hair as it drooped down, feeling every bump in the road as the puter shock mounts in the rear were broken off, trying to get out and picking up the sagging door. Yeah, you really know your stuff, those Camaros were great and well built cars .

[69Chrgr]

You guys who are worried about GM buying Chrysler are in luck!  I just was watching cnbc and they said that there are two Chinese car companys that are interested in purchasing Chrysler.  So no worries about having a Chevy Challenger.  You will have a Chinese Challenger.  Feel better now? 

What's the difference? GM would have no plans but to raid it. Chinese build much better auto's than GM anyway.