Why the word "restructuring" take place of "screwing the little guy"?

[hemihead]

Oh yeah, and talk about the Unions stealing your money?These guys stole from everyone , but I guess that's ok because they are White collar.Hoffa at least did Hard time in a REAL prison.

[Brock Samson]

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[6pkrunner]

On a roll with the demotivational posters Brock....look a truck.

[skip68]

I wouldn't be in a union to save my life.  I think they all start out with a good intent but as time goes by they become money factories. I don't think that most workers need a union anymore.  Put your union due's in a 401k.  I know that some people that are uneducated may need a union to speak for them but come on now, times have changed and every union worker I've met hates it. In contracting gov. jobs, Union jobs set the pay scale and the guys making the money are the non-union workers that are paid well.  All I did was prevailing wage work for years in Ca. non-union and did just fine without having a ton of money (union due's) taken from my checks A.K.A. "PROTECTION MONEY".  Far as the Enron guy's, They should have a court ordered judgement on them for life or until every person that lost due to them has been payed back.  This was no mistake, the only reason they are'nt doing it today is because they got caught.    And I'm spent,  Chuck............

[Arigmaster]

The backbone of this country and every company are the people preforming "Skilled" trades and services, I believe those people should be compensated well for what they do. This business between white or blue collar positions or the us and them has become nothing more than an arena for finger pointing.

People in general will always want more for less no matter if it's in the employment world or consumer world. It all depends on how you look at it. Everyone wants a piece of "The American Dream" (nice house, white picket fence. etc.etc.) Then there are those who go "Big" and want the mansions, yachts, etc. etc...) The problem with some people is that they think they are just entitled to this for what ever reason and don't apply themselves or set personal goals of how they are going to get their piece.

There are opportunities out there for everyone but it just seems so much easier for some people to bitch and play the victim of "the man". Then there are others who are just plain greedy and will just "take" regardless of ethics or law.

This will always be a constant no matter what country or position in society a person has. People need to spend less time crying about, or blaming the other guy for their problems and step up to improve what they are doing for themselves. They also need to quit putting themselves above others to make themselves feel in charge or more important then the next guy. If a person is elevated to a position of responsibility they need to quit resting on their achievements that got them there and delegating their every task that they feel is now below them and start leading by example rather than dictation.

People also need to stop thinking like drones and look for better and more efficient ways of doing even the simple things. It's the more for less mentality that effects the very fiber of society on an employment and then on a consumer level.

I'm in a management position but it doesn't make me a white collar person, I have crews out in the field that answer to me as well as people in my facility that do as well...  If the work load for my crews flexes up or if the facilities people get overwhelmed does it mean I have to hire more people so that I don't have to get my hands dirty? Hell no! I am not above going in the trenches with my guys and busting ass. If a floor needs to be swept because the guy who usually does it is out helping someone else I'll do it... Too many people walk right past this stuff because they are so stuck on themselves and their ego's that they would walk right past it or worse... jump all over the guy who was normally doing it because it wasn't done without even stopping to think about the why's.

Yes, there are those that have worked for me and with me who try to steal time or do as little as possible but that doesn't last for very long in our world. I have an excellent group of people and we all watch out for eachother. Just because I may have the ultimate responsibility for my division, it doesn't mean I no longer have to be in touch. Every day is a learning experience, an opportunity, or a potential "aw shit".

How we deal with these things as individuals or as a team will deternine our "Worth" both in society and to ourselves.

Too many people have lost sight of these values....   Just my 

[skip68]

   Well said Arigmaster.   

[dkn1997]

The backbone of this country and every company are the people preforming "Skilled" trades and services, I believe those people should be compensated well for what they do. This business between white or blue collar positions or the us and them has become nothing more than an arena for finger pointing.

People in general will always want more for less no matter if it's in the employment world or consumer world. It all depends on how you look at it. Everyone wants a piece of "The American Dream" (nice house, white picket fence. etc.etc.) Then there are those who go "Big" and want the mansions, yachts, etc. etc...) The problem with some people is that they think they are just entitled to this for what ever reason and don't apply themselves or set personal goals of how they are going to get their piece.

There are opportunities out there for everyone but it just seems so much easier for some people to bitch and play the victim of "the man". Then there are others who are just plain greedy and will just "take" regardless of ethics or law.

This will always be a constant no matter what country or position in society a person has. People need to spend less time crying about, or blaming the other guy for their problems and step up to improve what they are doing for themselves. They also need to quit putting themselves above others to make themselves feel in charge or more important then the next guy. If a person is elevated to a position of responsibility they need to quit resting on their achievements that got them there and delegating their every task that they feel is now below them and start leading by example rather than dictation.

People also need to stop thinking like drones and look for better and more efficient ways of doing even the simple things. It's the more for less mentality that effects the very fiber of society on an employment and then on a consumer level.

I'm in a management position but it doesn't make me a white collar person, I have crews out in the field that answer to me as well as people in my facility that do as well...  If the work load for my crews flexes up or if the facilities people get overwhelmed does it mean I have to hire more people so that I don't have to get my hands dirty? Hell no! I am not above going in the trenches with my guys and busting ass. If a floor needs to be swept because the guy who usually does it is out helping someone else I'll do it... Too many people walk right past this stuff because they are so stuck on themselves and their ego's that they would walk right past it or worse... jump all over the guy who was normally doing it because it wasn't done without even stopping to think about the why's.

Yes, there are those that have worked for me and with me who try to steal time or do as little as possible but that doesn't last for very long in our world. I have an excellent group of people and we all watch out for eachother. Just because I may have the ultimate responsibility for my division, it doesn't mean I no longer have to be in touch. Every day is a learning experience, an opportunity, or a potential "aw shit".

How we deal with these things as individuals or as a team will deternine our "Worth" both in society and to ourselves.

Too many people have lost sight of these values....   Just my 

Well said.

I think what bothers people more than a guy who is perceived to make too much is when that guy becomes a primadona and won't do anything that's not notarized in his job description (whether it's union contract or an exectutive manager's contract) 

[70charginglizard]

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I have to admit. This one is pretty damn funny Brock

[Neal_J]

I agree that skilled workers (white collar and blue collar) will always be needed and are not readily replacable.  As an example, when my engine needs rebuilding, I'll take it to a shop and pay them for their skilled labor because I can't do it myself.  Many people take their taxes to Accountants in lieu of TurboTax for the same reason.

However, anyone can bolt on bumpers and other unskilled jobs just like it. You know there are 6 million Chinese that will gladly bolt on bumpers for $1/hr.  While those laid off US workers feel it's unfair, it's global economics.  Artificially high US labor prices will fall and/or jobs will be lost as long as American unskilled wages grossly exceed that of the rest of the world.

Some will argue or rant about how it's all the fault of white collar workers.  Nonsense, that's a smokescreen hiding the real issue.  Sure, there are jack-offs and idiots in any labor pool, white collar or blue.   But it takes thousands of line workers to build a Dodge Magnum and compared to a few hundred executives and bean-counters.  Even if all the white collars guys were worthless, their contribution to the cost of the car is a tiny fraction compared to the guys on the line.  I'm not saying that ineffective managers don't contribute to a bad situation, but this argument avoids the much larger cost component.

In reality, every product you buy at Wal-Mart results from unskilled  & consequently low-paid Chinese labor - whereas such items were once all made in the USA.  Has or will your cost of living consequently fall?  Yes and no.  On one hand, you can buy a DVD player at WalMart for like $30.  On the other hand, our cost of living isn't what is out of wack, unskilled wages are. The overall cost of living hasn't and won't fall much because American unskilled labor is overpaid as compared to the world marketplace.   

Those laid off should consider going to college or trade skill to get some useful skills.  Monkeys can bolt on bumpers.

Oh, and there's no Easter Bunny either.

Neal

[Ghoste]

Of course, those desparate people who "gladly" perform this labor for a dollar an hour might be able to make a good argument that their wages are artificially low. 

[RTPTRON]

  And the stock marches on.  Now up to $70.25, Up $5.80 since the announcement yesterday.  What color shirts do the investors wear???

[Vainglory, Esq.]

I dunno, but when I bought DCX stock a few years ago, I wasn't making much at all.  Stock tends to be a very good investment regardless of your collar color.

[sailpanel]

The main problem that american car makers have is the way they have always done business. Making as many cars as they can push out the door. MORE MORE MORE and they are getting a glut of new vehicles.

Yea and its the same for allmost all manufacturing. I worked for a major paper co. for 19 years and when the market was bad we had to" make more product for a better return on investment". When the market was good we had to "make more product to take advantage of the situation". I'm sure they are told some similar B.S. .

[hemihead]

Why is blaming the White collar labor force a smokescreen?Aren't they in charge of product research and development?Don't they buy the raw materials?Aren't they responsible for everything about a company except for the average Joe putting the product together?Most White collar people may design a product but have no idea how it is made,used , or repaired.Why do you think when you buy something that it doesn't work the way it is supposed to?Some white collar genius had no clue designing something.Don't blame the blue collar guy assembling it.
Anyone buy some of those fantastic Chinese or Japanese made tools lately? You know the ones that some company found some guy overseas to make for $1 a day.I bet none of you white collar guys EVER buys one of the cheap tools ( if you know how to use them). But hey, they aren't those made by an evil Union shop with inferior overpaid labor and their poor white collar management being held hostage by the big mean Union.

[Shakey]

Why is blaming the White collar labor force a smokescreen?Aren't they in charge of product research and development?Don't they buy the raw materials?Aren't they responsible for everything about a company except for the average Joe putting the product together?Most White collar people may design a product but have no idea how it is made,used , or repaired.Why do you think when you buy something that it doesn't work the way it is supposed to?Some white collar genius had no clue designing something.Don't blame the blue collar guy assembling it.
Anyone buy some of those fantastic Chinese or Japanese made tools lately? You know the ones that some company found some guy overseas to make for $1 a day.I bet none of you white collar guys EVER buys one of the cheap tools ( if you know how to use them). But hey, they aren't those made by an evil Union shop with inferior overpaid labor and their poor white collar management being held hostage by the big mean Union.

Perhaps everyone is to blame.  The white collar guy for screwing things up so badly and the blue collar guys for not coming into the office from the plant to tell them how to straighten things out!   

[Old Moparz]

Screwing the little guy might be what happens, but it hopfully motivates the little guy to move up. I've done all kinds of work in the past, & never actually thought the task was beneath me. I've swept floors & dumped garbage at a mall while in high school, had driven delivery vans & trucks, packed & crated things for shipping in a warehouse, home improvements & building construction, drafting for architectural & engineering firms, land surveying, & now estimating for a site contractor. What I did think instead of the task being beneath me, was that this task absolutely sucks & I have to do something better. It's part of growing up, part of evolving, part of learning more, & hopefully all that is enough to advance yourself to a better position.

Like it was already mentioned, there will always be the conflict of "us vs. them".......... And guess what?

There's money to be made off that competition by someone creative enough to do it.

[Shakey]

Like it was already mentioned, there will always be the conflict of "us vs. them".......... And guess what?

There's money to be made off that competition by someone creative enough to do it.

Yep - like creating a video game where the blue collars try to slaughter the white collars as they defend their ivory towers.   

The blue collars could use weapons from the plant, perhaps even kidnapping some of the white collar Engineers (POW's) to program the robots to attack and the white collars can defend them selves with staplers, pens and push pins.

[hemihead]

Sounds alot like life in some 3rd world countries.