what is youre biggest pet peave on how some chargers are done?

[bull]

My engine compartment is going to be black, but then so is the rest of the car.

[Chris G.]

The "has to be stock" crowd bugs me.  What's the point of having a car if you can't have it how you want it? 

Maybe the "has to be stock" crowd actually enjoys having the car the way it left the factory? The stereotype that has been created about "numbers matching" people is so far from the truth. Sure there's some that hate modified cars, but at the same time, there's the modified crowd that slams the stock crowd. It works both ways is what I am saying.

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

Little stuff sometimes bothers me like '69 doors on a '68 or '68 seat covers in a '69, things like that, and then they say it's all original or restored to original condition.

I agree with bull on the 68/9 interior on the wrong year dashes,seats,console etc. , although i like the 68 doors better due to where the buttom lock is,also whats the difference in door panels??? they look the same 2 me or is there something im missing

[Arigmaster]

The car professors are the only thing that annoys me...

Especially when they don't even own one... I built mine the way I wanted it, and I couldn't care less if someone else doesn't care for it... If it bothers them that much, I would gladly sell it to them and then they can do what they want to change it but until then they can keep their comments to themselves... 

I like all the cars these guys have here on this site it doesn't matter which generation, correct, custom or otherwise... I can appreciate the time and effort each one of you guys put into them because I've gone through it too with my own.

So, Cheers to all you sick puppies with Charger Fever!

[bull]

The "has to be stock" crowd bugs me.  What's the point of having a car if you can't have it how you want it? 

Maybe the "has to be stock" crowd actually enjoys having the car the way it left the factory? The stereotype that has been created about "numbers matching" people is so far from the truth. Sure there's some that hate modified cars, but at the same time, there's the modified crowd that slams the stock crowd. It works both ways is what I am saying.

True, but you usually only have to walk 30 feet down the row to find one that's stock. I don't think people care all that much about various opinions, I just think they care when some schmuck feels he has to go out of his way to point these "shortcomings" out to the owner as if he doesn't know or really values the input of a know-it-all.

[Dude]

guy's that restore 72 Charger SE's and parade em on trailers...Sorry 72chargerSE

[73chgrSE]

I don't care for the look of Chargers or any older car with skinny tires in the back. I know thats "stock" but it still just makes the cars look to bulbous. If I had my way everyone would be issued mandatory 10.5's.
Also I don't like the "bling bling" rims on a charger, that's not unique anymore so stop it. It's a waste of metal.

[694spdRT]

My only pet peeve involves what is not done. An owner that can leave their Charger out in the elements for so long it rots in place is hard to swallow. I totally understand if you want to keep your car or cars and that is fine. Just please don't let me see a perfectly good car die a sad death up to it's rockers in mud.

And yes I do have one particular car in mind right now.  

[Mike DC]

   
--  "Car professors"
People who badmouth others' cars and don't even have one of their own.
   
--  Cars too trendy or mismatched. 
Tunnel ram intake, 4000-stall converter, traction bars . . . and 3.23 gears? 
G-machine wheels, huge brakes, huge sway bars . . . and no subframe connectors?

--  Buildups that cut up the car without being nearly well-done/fast/unique enough to "earn it." 
Backhalved Pro-Street cars with weak smallblocks, etc. 

--  DOH bashers and misinformed professors. 
I don't blame a person for not liking that TV show per se.  (To each his own.)  But most of the time they're busy blaming DOH for the fact that they can't find a clean '69 Hemi Charger for $1500.

 

[72chargerSE]

guy's that restore 72 Charger SE's and parade em on trailers...Sorry 72chargerSE

Dude,I don't know how to take that. Compliment? or something else. I'll trust my instinct and say it was a compliment.

[Dude]

How about painted hood springs and latches

[pettyfan43]

I think I have to go along the lines of people who think that they have to tell you everything that is wrong with YOUR CAR. 

Not to mention people who tell you how you should build YOUR car. You know this guy "Man you need a set of Cragars on that car" when you have told them how much YOU want the body colored Steelies and dog dishes. Or they can't figure out why you want the Mopar Perf wrinkle black valve covers and you just want em because you REALLY like the way they look! 

OK I'll stop now.

[Lord Warlock]

In following the path of the thread, I dislike so called experts on "correctness" of a mopar, from someone that doesn't own one, nor has ever owned one, and is misinformed.  I also can't stand people that think the car needs to be painted orange with a big stupid number on the side, when the car has never rolled onto a racetrack.  Lastly, I hate clones or fake R/T cars.  I don't mind a hemi in a non hemi coded car, but if the car isn't an RT don't copy the looks of one.  Put a stripe on the back without the r/t badge or paint it a custom color so we know it isn't being passed off as a real R/T.

Only racecars need numbers.  I understand kiddies that revered DOH and want to emulate their gods, but please, those of us who had one before DOH despised the show except the fact that we saw a charger, we didn't see orange or general lee, we saw a charger, which we already owned, and was already rare at the time.  I like to see the occasional GL clone, but these days way too many clones are on the road.

As far as black engine bays go, it depends on just how long you've owned your charger or other muscle car.  Black engine bays were the rage in the 70s and 80s, and those of us who didn't think the creme color set off the chrome valve covers and aftermarket breathers, or polished intakes etc to their best advantage.  Tunnel rams? If you had a big block car in the late 70s, multiple carbs and holes in the hood were very popular, and were the only way to get magazines to picture your car in their pages.  Noone cared for originality back then, it was modify it...tub it...roll bar it...tunnel ram it...supercharge it with a 671 with dual quads.  Also regarding highly modded motors and highway geared rear ends...before they had doug nash 5spd tranny's and specially made overdrive systems developed, not many of us liked driving on the highway revving at 5000rpm  all day long, and swapping gears was only important if you intended to race it, not show it off at shows and on the street.  Some of us liked good looks as well as decent mileage on the highway...if 6mpg can be considered decent mileage.

I will probably polish the intake, have chromed valve covers, chrome air breather, braided steel aircraft lines (also popular in my day) chrome alternator, chrome pulleys etc.  I will eventually repaint the inner fenders yellow again, but only because the old black isn't perfect anymore.  I liked black then, I like it now, even on a non black car. But it doesn't belong on a concourse restoration, or a real show car.  I will always keep the stock parts to return it to stock after i've had my fun though.  Some of us that like 50s cars really like chrome still. 

I've had my charger since before the dukes of hazzard ever came on tv, I've seen it go thru several stages of modification, and unlike some purist toward original off the production line standard, I like chrome in the engine bay.  But I also keep all the stock parts in case a purist wants it after I'm done with it.

[Charger1973]

I dont really have an issue with anyone elses car.  I like modded cars, I like original cars...  There are so many possibilities with a Charger.  The only thing I really cant understand is people who need date coded everything, no matter what it is, or if you will ever even see it when its installed.  To me that is overboard unless its a car that will spend its life in a museum or something.  But hey if thats how they want it, then they should do it.   

[hemihead]

It's not someone's car or what they do to it that bothers me, it's the attitude of the person that owns it.The guy who can spout off all the options,colors ,production figures,and even quote a Service Manual but can't even change a Spark Plug without farming the work out.You all know that type of guy, the one at all the shows who proudly shows his car off, his trophies, and paid for others to do all the work because he is the know everything about Mopars but actually knows nothing.The same guy in High School who drove the brand new Camaro that laughed at you when you were under the hood wrenching on your Mopar and now has to have that Charger because "his friend has one" or " it's a good investment, it said so in the Wall Street Journal".

[skip68]

HEY HEMIHEAD, That guy is me !!! I hate myself now.    I agree with hemihead and it's stange that I actually feel bad that I have NOT done more on my car myself.  My buddy in Ca. has bagged on me about that stuff for years and I do understand it. I did gut my interior myself and I will put it back but I have paid for most everthing. I will do my best to block sand it myself in the next few weeks before paint. But I do agree if you get your hands dirty you appreciate it more. But on the other hand, some guys don't have the time or the skill.  I really wanted to build my own engine so I could say I did this but I didn't but I will someday. Man, now I feel like SH*#.  DAM YOU HEMIHEAD  There is no pride in driving a car you had someone else build so I better do something today.     Chuck................

[tan top]

 
each to there  own ,             the only  thing that annoys me not just with chargers  but any mopars is when you see them rotting in feilds etc .

[bordin34]

I just dont like big rims and skinny tires and lots of chrome in the engine bay.

[Spike]

The moron who told me I should have painted mine like the General LEE
Nothing against the guys who have them, just not my thing.  Other than that enjoy what you have, who gives a rats how people do their cars. I admit I used to be a nit picker and still spot flaws. That being said I keep my mouth shut. After you restore/mod a car and realize the time, money and effort it takes to finish one it's best just to enjoy them however they are done.

[hemihead]

Hey Skip, at least you did SOMETHING! I understand not everyone can do everything.But it is the people that act like experts when about it all when they do little or next to nothing.

[chargerboy69]

  Lastly, I hate clones or fake R/T cars.  I don't mind a hemi in a non hemi coded car, but if the car isn't an RT don't copy the looks of one.  Put a stripe on the back without the r/t badge or paint it a custom color so we know it isn't being passed off as a real R/T.

Its funny, I had some guy at a show jump all over me, telling me about how my car "wasn't a real R/T" ect. I told him "I know, so what". Never once have I told anyone that it is a real R/T. I told the guy that since he did not contribute any money to my car, his opinion did not mean sh!t to me, and if he did not like the car, go look at fu#@ing something else. I had several people jumping my sh!t that I painted the car black, instead of the original Q5. Why should they care? I did not see them contribute any money to my paint job. I always wanted a black on black car with a red R/T stripe. There might be a handfull left out there like that. My car does not have the original engine, so who gives a crap. Its the way I want it.

I understand that is your opinion, and this is mine. We we just have to agree to disagree.

[RECHRGD]

Well, I go along with most here, in not liking the know-it-alls with arragant attitudes.  Having a clone car, I get to see my share, but for the most part people do enjoy seeing any representation of an old muscle car. They are part of automotive history.  My car looks identical to the "numbers matching" R/T I bought new in 1968.  It goes faster, stops better, handles better and in general is put together better than my original car was.  I never try to pass it off as a real R/T and usually inform people that's it's a clone right at the beginning of any conversation.  When I was looking to get a charger, it was always my intent to restore or clone it back to the car I bought in '68.  The fact that the car I found was not an R/T didn't bother me at all.  It already had a new 440 in place when I found it and was the perfect platform to start my project.  It just seems odd when some people obviously enjoy seeing your car go down the road or parked at a show and then get a whole different attitude when the VIN has an XP in it.  As others have stated, it's my car and I'll do to it as I damn well please.  Come to think of it, I wish I could clone myself back to 1968.  I sure don't look the same now as I did then.    Bob

[rt green]

i agree. all chargers and all other mopars started out the same at the factory. what it came with, or didnt come with shouldnt matter. whats the difference if you put something on or in the car, than a factory employee doing the same?  if you improved your house, do you think someone will come over and bitch that it wasnt stock?  think about it. if people are into stock, so be it. stock is cool, but i think the core of being stock is resale value. i respect stock, modified, and cloned  but dont understand why people are so down on a car when it 'didnt come with that from the factory' crap.  and whats up with the stuffed animals at car shows?  wheres the pajamas? 

[Gary42]

I guess I have to throw my own two cents into this ring, as I am "attempting" a total resto of my (numbers matching) 72 Rally (Hotrod knows the troubles I have been having). I guess I have been able to see things in a different light from many others these days. I have been retired from the US Army since 2002, a native NY'er living in AR, and have only seen half of my children's baby years due to long deployments to every country we have ever been in.
Lets face it, we are all not million aires, don't have a large settlement coming to us, have rich parents/grandparents that like to fund these projects, got in on the buying spree of the late 80's early 90's, or even have large stock investment's we would cash in to restore these cars to original condition. In speaking with Larry (Hotrod) for a few years now, he enlightened me on many aspects of an "Original" car. When it left the factory, no matter where it was produced, many times it already had more body work preformed on it then any of us would care to mention. The paint was not perfect, interior had a few flaws, or the engine compartment may have had a visible drip that was not corrected before the engine was placed into the car.
If you look closely enough, you will find the mistakes, screw ups or just plain laziness from the person/s who had a hand in the assembly process.
So, if these cars are restored to "original" condition, it has to have its character mistakes not obvious mistakes, but its character mistakes. Heck, who the hell wants a car so perfect that they can brush their teeth in the glare of the paint ( you know what will happen once you get on the road and some sorry truck driver has failed to rinse off the dirt from his last trip down a construction road), I have a bathroom for that, afraid to sit inside it and have a cold drink from the local fast food chain because a drip of water might mess up the armoral sheen, or you have to "wash/wipe your feet off before you get in, God forbid a grain of dirt is seen on the carpets,"thats what they made vacuums for. Some things are obvious, so lets not delve into the sarcasm I use to make a point, I am imperfect afterall.
If I wanted a car just to look at," then I will go to my nearest hobby store and find the model build it, or go on e-bay and buy the metal version of it. I want to drive it, feel the vibrations from a non-perfect set of tires, and just be proud that I have what I have and am able just to have fun with it. I don't care who likes what I have done to it, it is mine and if someone can do better on an average person's budget, then more power to ya. I will do the best I can with what I have for now, and if that makes so many people comment on the imperfect things, then I feel good as they are looking at my ride and no one else's.
I have a house I am renovating/building on to, three teen agers, and a grocery bill that most people could use to buy an "Original" set of seat covers every month. Remember, most things are accomplished by being in the right place at the right time, and buying the original pieces for next to nothing. Barrett-Jackson does not help the average car enthusiasts in the endeavors of restorations, they do more damage then they could ever imagined.
Just my two cents.

[TruckDriver]

General Lee paint jobs on car that are not even a '69 Charger. And the fact that there are just to many of them.