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what is youre biggest pet peave on how some chargers are done?

Started by Charger-Bodie, February 02, 2007, 06:14:35 PM

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Charger-Bodie

im not trying to pick anyones car apart but there are some things that bother me when they are done to a charger or any mopar for that matter ill start with black engine compartments on non black cars
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

bull

Little stuff sometimes bothers me like '69 doors on a '68 or '68 seat covers in a '69, things like that, and then they say it's all original or restored to original condition.

69bronzeT5

Quote from: 1hot68 on February 02, 2007, 06:14:35 PM
im not trying to pick anyones car apart but there are some things that bother me when they are done to a charger or any mopar for that matter ill start with black engine compartments on non black cars

  :-[
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1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

Troy

People who whine about how someone else's car is done... :P

Here's what I posted elsewhere on the subject of black painted engine bays:
QuoteMine's black - painted by a previous owner somewhere along the line. The dirt and grease hide the color pretty well though.  ;) I'm not about to spend the time, money, and effort just to make someone else happy. This car gets driven (10,000 miles last summer) and it's the only one that isn't a bare shell or on a rotisserie right now so it's 4th in line for "restoration". When I ever get around to painting it I'll be sure to do it right but I have higher priorities at the moment.

Realize that not everyone's car is exactly the way they want it either. More often it is the way they bought it and they're continually making upgrades. I am the biggest critic of my own cars but I can only fix things at my own pace. Having said that, my biggest pet peeve is an owner who loves to spout their incredible knowledge of Mopars while their own car is incorrect in numerous ways. Closely behind that are people who don't own any sort of classic (or even "cool") automobile but have to pick apart everyone else's. I am not a fan of the overly customized look on muscle cars but I realize that some people don't like stock vehicles as well. I try to appreciate the car from the perspective of the owner's intentions.

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

Khyron

Quote from: 1hot68 on February 02, 2007, 06:14:35 PM
im not trying to pick anyones car apart but there are some things that bother me when they are done to a charger or any mopar for that matter ill start with black engine compartments on non black cars

not anymore :D



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69bronzeT5

Quote from: Troy on February 02, 2007, 06:27:15 PM
People who whine about how someone else's car is done... :P

Troy


:haha: Good one Troy. And the black engine capartment is temporary. It will get painted when we paint the car.


But I gotta say one thing that everybody here will agree on...cars that have the engine, air cleaner and etc painted the same colour as the car's exterior.

Example: Green body, Green engine, Green air cleaner, Green valve covers
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1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

moparsons

Quote from: bull on February 02, 2007, 06:19:42 PM
Little stuff sometimes bothers me like '69 doors on a '68 or '68 seat covers in a '69, things like that, and then they say it's all original or restored to original condition.


Don't make fun of me.......   but what's the difference between a 68 and 69 door?

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: Troy on February 02, 2007, 06:27:15 PM
People who whine about how someone else's car is done... :P

Troy


i debated about starting this post for that reason , im not saying we should belittle peoples cars im just asking what are some things that bother some people about how some are done just like on my car some people may hate that its a r/t clone or that its not undercoated
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: moparsons on February 02, 2007, 06:34:33 PM
Quote from: bull on February 02, 2007, 06:19:42 PM
Little stuff sometimes bothers me like '69 doors on a '68 or '68 seat covers in a '69, things like that, and then they say it's all original or restored to original condition.


Don't make fun of me.......   but what's the difference between a 68 and 69 door?

inside door lock position on 68 is about 8 inches furthar back than 69 70
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

mikepmcs

Life isn't Father Knows Best anymore, it's a kick in the face on a saturday night with a steel toed grip kodiak work boot and a trip to the hospital all bloodied and bashed.....for reconstructive surgery. But, what doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, right?

terrible one


Yeah, the black engine compartments kind of annoy me too, but I don't even know why. Hell, mine is probably going to end up that way.

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: 69bronzeT5 on February 02, 2007, 06:32:12 PM
Quote from: Troy on February 02, 2007, 06:27:15 PM
People who whine about how someone else's car is done... :P

Troy


:haha: Good one Troy. And the black engine capartment is temporary. It will get painted when we paint the car.


But I gotta say one thing that everybody here will agree on...cars that have the engine, air cleaner and etc painted the same colour as the car's exterior.

Example: Green body, Green engine, Green air cleaner, Green valve covers

by the way bronze i wasnt pin pointing any one car ive never even seen youre gine compartment ........its just that black paint has to be sprayed or applyed in some fasion just as the correct color
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

moparjohn

Not that my car is perfect or that it's ever done. But some people don't relize how much it takes to get from one point to another.  I know that this past year re-doing my engine that it is always more expensive and takes more time than you first expect.  Enjoy what you have. John
Happiness is having a hole in your roof!

69bronzeT5

Quote from: moparjohn on February 02, 2007, 06:52:10 PM
Not that my car is perfect or that it's ever done. But some people don't relize how much it takes to get from one point to another.  I know that this past year re-doing my engine that it is always more expensive and takes more time than you first expect.  Enjoy what you have. John

:yesnod:
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1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

hemi-hampton

I dont like to see wrong year stripes on cars. Like a 71 Cuda Billboard stripe on a 74 Barracuda 318 car for example. Same with Colors. Panther Pink on a 68 car for example.

Chris G.

I guess people interested in anything other than a '70 would be my biggest peeve.  ;)  :angel:

But seriously, my list is long, and it starts with things on my own car that I need (or needed) to change.


Bandit72

Daddy ran whiskey in a big black dodge
bought it at an auction at the masons lodge,
Johnson County Sherriff painted on the side,
just shot a coat of primer then he looked inside,
well him and my uncle tore that engine down,
I still remember that rumblin' sound.....

6pkrunner

As mentioned above, people with no car or a lesser vehicle knocking a car when the owner is within earshot. Well I guess arrogance and cockiness in general - even without a car in the discussion.

As for the cars themselves - whatever makes the owner happy. Who is anyone to criticize someone else's work or level of adherence to what they think is "correct". If we all thought the same, there'd be one car, one color, one driveline. Laissez-faire.


gtx6970

to see a nice done car only to find those fugly .50cent bolt on battery cable ends on the car, or an autozone radiator cap,But yet they use date date coded spark plug wires. :shruggy:

ck1

Trying to make it to modern like todays cars, if your gonna do that in my oppion  just buy a new dam car, there nothing the wrong with they way they are except some brake upgrades for stopping and safety issues................
CJK

jaak

I just love mopars anything from an all original hemi cuda....to a 318 satellite rust-bucket a kid might be driving down the road.  My only pet peeve with the hobby are f*ckers with there snotty noses up in the air think just because there car is all original or a resto-mod with the best parts money can buy think there car is so much more special, when actually its not. People are different, Incomes are different, most folks buy, fix cars according to there budget and personal taste. I have a Non-numbers 69 RT, and I am building a driver, so it will not be "correct", but hey if someone dosen't like it who cares, its mine thats all that matters in the end, If the owner is happy with it thats all that matters.

Jason

Just 6T9 CHGR

My single biggest peeve only pertains to high dollar "restored" cars......how can you ask 50k plus for a car and have a crappy WalMart battery?

50K?  Spend another $250 & get the right battery :rotz:

My second peeve?

Lower section of the interior door painted body color & not interior color :rotz:
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


TripleBlackGator

Malicious, vindictive, spiteful, cynical, pessimistic, sarcastic, & antagonistic. And those are my good traits!

jasonfromIKILLYA

I don't have peeves with cars.  I have things that may not be my taste about cars and peeves with owners.  The "has to be stock" crowd bugs me.  What's the point of having a car if you can't have it how you want it?  I respect #'s matching, stock cars for their historic value, but I just don't like people who feel that anything other is not acceptable.
"Great souls have always received violent opposition from mediocre minds" - Einstein

bull

My engine compartment is going to be black, but then so is the rest of the car. :yesnod:

Chris G.

Quote from: jasonfromIKILLYA on February 02, 2007, 09:49:56 PM
The "has to be stock" crowd bugs me.  What's the point of having a car if you can't have it how you want it? 

Maybe the "has to be stock" crowd actually enjoys having the car the way it left the factory? The stereotype that has been created about "numbers matching" people is so far from the truth. Sure there's some that hate modified cars, but at the same time, there's the modified crowd that slams the stock crowd. It works both ways is what I am saying.

THE CHARGER PUNK

Quote from: bull on February 02, 2007, 06:19:42 PM
Little stuff sometimes bothers me like '69 doors on a '68 or '68 seat covers in a '69, things like that, and then they say it's all original or restored to original condition.


I agree with bull on the 68/9 interior on the wrong year dashes,seats,console etc. , although i like the 68 doors better due to where the buttom lock is,also whats the difference in door panels??? they look the same 2 me or is there something im missing

Arigmaster

The car professors are the only thing that annoys me...

Especially when they don't even own one... I built mine the way I wanted it, and I couldn't care less if someone else doesn't care for it... If it bothers them that much, I would gladly sell it to them and then they can do what they want to change it but until then they can keep their comments to themselves... 

I like all the cars these guys have here on this site it doesn't matter which generation, correct, custom or otherwise... I can appreciate the time and effort each one of you guys put into them because I've gone through it too with my own.

So, Cheers to all you sick puppies with Charger Fever!

bull

Quote from: Chris G. on February 02, 2007, 09:55:57 PM
Quote from: jasonfromIKILLYA on February 02, 2007, 09:49:56 PM
The "has to be stock" crowd bugs me.  What's the point of having a car if you can't have it how you want it? 

Maybe the "has to be stock" crowd actually enjoys having the car the way it left the factory? The stereotype that has been created about "numbers matching" people is so far from the truth. Sure there's some that hate modified cars, but at the same time, there's the modified crowd that slams the stock crowd. It works both ways is what I am saying.

True, but you usually only have to walk 30 feet down the row to find one that's stock. I don't think people care all that much about various opinions, I just think they care when some schmuck feels he has to go out of his way to point these "shortcomings" out to the owner as if he doesn't know or really values the input of a know-it-all.

Dude

guy's that restore 72 Charger SE's and parade em on trailers...Sorry 72chargerSE ;D


73chgrSE

I don't care for the look of Chargers or any older car with skinny tires in the back. I know thats "stock" but it still just makes the cars look to bulbous. If I had my way everyone would be issued mandatory 10.5's. :laugh:
Also I don't like the "bling bling" rims on a charger, that's not unique anymore so stop it. It's a waste of metal. :rotz:

694spdRT

My only pet peeve involves what is not done. An owner that can leave their Charger out in the elements for so long it rots in place is hard to swallow. I totally understand if you want to keep your car or cars and that is fine. Just please don't let me see a perfectly good car die a sad death up to it's rockers in mud.

And yes I do have one particular car in mind right now. :rotz: 
1968 Charger 383 auto
1969 Charger R/T 440 4 speed
1970 Charger 500 440 auto
1972 Challenger 318
1976 W200 Club Cab 4x4 400 auto 
1978 Ramcharger 360 auto
2001 Durango SLT 4.7L (daily driver)
2005 Ram 2500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins Diesel 6 speed
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7 Hemi

Mike DC

   
--  "Car professors"
People who badmouth others' cars and don't even have one of their own.
   
--  Cars too trendy or mismatched. 
Tunnel ram intake, 4000-stall converter, traction bars . . . and 3.23 gears? 
G-machine wheels, huge brakes, huge sway bars . . . and no subframe connectors?

--  Buildups that cut up the car without being nearly well-done/fast/unique enough to "earn it." 
Backhalved Pro-Street cars with weak smallblocks, etc. 

--  DOH bashers and misinformed professors. 
I don't blame a person for not liking that TV show per se.  (To each his own.)  But most of the time they're busy blaming DOH for the fact that they can't find a clean '69 Hemi Charger for $1500.

 

72chargerSE

Quote from: Dude on February 02, 2007, 10:40:40 PM
guy's that restore 72 Charger SE's and parade em on trailers...Sorry 72chargerSE ;D



Dude,I don't know how to take that. Compliment? or something else. I'll trust my instinct and say it was a compliment.

Dude


pettyfan43

I think I have to go along the lines of people who think that they have to tell you everything that is wrong with YOUR CAR. 

Not to mention people who tell you how you should build YOUR car. You know this guy "Man you need a set of Cragars on that car" when you have told them how much YOU want the body colored Steelies and dog dishes. Or they can't figure out why you want the Mopar Perf wrinkle black valve covers and you just want em because you REALLY like the way they look! 

OK I'll stop now. ;)

Lord Warlock

In following the path of the thread, I dislike so called experts on "correctness" of a mopar, from someone that doesn't own one, nor has ever owned one, and is misinformed.  I also can't stand people that think the car needs to be painted orange with a big stupid number on the side, when the car has never rolled onto a racetrack.  Lastly, I hate clones or fake R/T cars.  I don't mind a hemi in a non hemi coded car, but if the car isn't an RT don't copy the looks of one.  Put a stripe on the back without the r/t badge or paint it a custom color so we know it isn't being passed off as a real R/T.

Only racecars need numbers.  I understand kiddies that revered DOH and want to emulate their gods, but please, those of us who had one before DOH despised the show except the fact that we saw a charger, we didn't see orange or general lee, we saw a charger, which we already owned, and was already rare at the time.  I like to see the occasional GL clone, but these days way too many clones are on the road.

As far as black engine bays go, it depends on just how long you've owned your charger or other muscle car.  Black engine bays were the rage in the 70s and 80s, and those of us who didn't think the creme color set off the chrome valve covers and aftermarket breathers, or polished intakes etc to their best advantage.  Tunnel rams? If you had a big block car in the late 70s, multiple carbs and holes in the hood were very popular, and were the only way to get magazines to picture your car in their pages.  Noone cared for originality back then, it was modify it...tub it...roll bar it...tunnel ram it...supercharge it with a 671 with dual quads.  Also regarding highly modded motors and highway geared rear ends...before they had doug nash 5spd tranny's and specially made overdrive systems developed, not many of us liked driving on the highway revving at 5000rpm  all day long, and swapping gears was only important if you intended to race it, not show it off at shows and on the street.  Some of us liked good looks as well as decent mileage on the highway...if 6mpg can be considered decent mileage.

I will probably polish the intake, have chromed valve covers, chrome air breather, braided steel aircraft lines (also popular in my day) chrome alternator, chrome pulleys etc.  I will eventually repaint the inner fenders yellow again, but only because the old black isn't perfect anymore.  I liked black then, I like it now, even on a non black car. But it doesn't belong on a concourse restoration, or a real show car.  I will always keep the stock parts to return it to stock after i've had my fun though.  Some of us that like 50s cars really like chrome still. 

I've had my charger since before the dukes of hazzard ever came on tv, I've seen it go thru several stages of modification, and unlike some purist toward original off the production line standard, I like chrome in the engine bay.  But I also keep all the stock parts in case a purist wants it after I'm done with it.
69 RT/SE Y3 cream yellow w/tan vinyl top and black r/t stripe. non matching 440/375, 3:23, Column shift auto w/buddy seat, tan interior, am/fm w/fr to back fade, Now wears 17" magnum 500 rims and Nitto tires. Fresh repaint, new interior, new wheels and tires.

Charger1973

I dont really have an issue with anyone elses car.  I like modded cars, I like original cars...  There are so many possibilities with a Charger.  The only thing I really cant understand is people who need date coded everything, no matter what it is, or if you will ever even see it when its installed.  To me that is overboard unless its a car that will spend its life in a museum or something.  But hey if thats how they want it, then they should do it.   :yesnod:

hemihead

It's not someone's car or what they do to it that bothers me, it's the attitude of the person that owns it.The guy who can spout off all the options,colors ,production figures,and even quote a Service Manual but can't even change a Spark Plug without farming the work out.You all know that type of guy, the one at all the shows who proudly shows his car off, his trophies, and paid for others to do all the work because he is the know everything about Mopars but actually knows nothing.The same guy in High School who drove the brand new Camaro that laughed at you when you were under the hood wrenching on your Mopar and now has to have that Charger because "his friend has one" or " it's a good investment, it said so in the Wall Street Journal".
Lots of people talkin' , few of them know
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  Led Zeppelin

skip68

HEY HEMIHEAD, That guy is me !!! :'( I hate myself now.  :icon_smile_sad:  I agree with hemihead and it's stange that I actually feel bad that I have NOT done more on my car myself.  :'( My buddy in Ca. has bagged on me about that stuff for years and I do understand it. I did gut my interior myself and I will put it back but I have paid for most everthing. I will do my best to block sand it myself in the next few weeks before paint. But I do agree if you get your hands dirty you appreciate it more. But on the other hand, some guys don't have the time or the skill.  I really wanted to build my own engine so I could say I did this but I didn't but I will someday. Man, now I feel like SH*#.  DAM YOU HEMIHEAD  :icon_smile_big: There is no pride in driving a car you had someone else build so I better do something today.  :yesnod:   Chuck................
skip68, A.K.A. Chuck \ 68 Charger 440 auto\ 67 Camaro RS (no 440)       FRANKS & BEANS !!!


tan top

 
each to there  own ,             the only  thing that annoys me :rant: not just with chargers  but any mopars is when you see them rotting in feilds etc . :'(
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

bordin34

I just dont like big rims and skinny tires and lots of chrome in the engine bay.

1973 SE Brougham Black 4̶0̶0̶  440 Auto.
1967 Coronet Black 440 Auto
1974 SE Brougham Blue 318 Auto- Sold to a guy in Croatia
1974 Valiant Green 318 Auto - Sold to a guy in Louisiana
Mahwah,NJ

Spike

The moron who told me I should have painted mine like the General LEE
Nothing against the guys who have them, just not my thing.  Other than that enjoy what you have, who gives a rats how people do their cars. I admit I used to be a nit picker and still spot flaws. That being said I keep my mouth shut. After you restore/mod a car and realize the time, money and effort it takes to finish one it's best just to enjoy them however they are done.

hemihead

Hey Skip, at least you did SOMETHING! I understand not everyone can do everything.But it is the people that act like experts when about it all when they do little or next to nothing.
Lots of people talkin' , few of them know
Soul of a woman was created below
  Led Zeppelin

chargerboy69

Quote from: Lord Warlock on February 03, 2007, 12:21:41 AM
  Lastly, I hate clones or fake R/T cars.  I don't mind a hemi in a non hemi coded car, but if the car isn't an RT don't copy the looks of one.  Put a stripe on the back without the r/t badge or paint it a custom color so we know it isn't being passed off as a real R/T.


Its funny, I had some guy at a show jump all over me, telling me about how my car "wasn't a real R/T" ect. I told him "I know, so what". Never once have I told anyone that it is a real R/T. I told the guy that since he did not contribute any money to my car, his opinion did not mean sh!t to me, and if he did not like the car, go look at fu#@ing something else. I had several people jumping my sh!t that I painted the car black, instead of the original Q5. Why should they care? I did not see them contribute any money to my paint job. I always wanted a black on black car with a red R/T stripe. There might be a handfull left out there like that. My car does not have the original engine, so who gives a crap. Its the way I want it.

I understand that is your opinion, and this is mine. We we just have to agree to disagree.

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RECHRGD

Well, I go along with most here, in not liking the know-it-alls with arragant attitudes.  Having a clone car, I get to see my share, but for the most part people do enjoy seeing any representation of an old muscle car. They are part of automotive history.  My car looks identical to the "numbers matching" R/T I bought new in 1968.  It goes faster, stops better, handles better and in general is put together better than my original car was.  I never try to pass it off as a real R/T and usually inform people that's it's a clone right at the beginning of any conversation.  When I was looking to get a charger, it was always my intent to restore or clone it back to the car I bought in '68.  The fact that the car I found was not an R/T didn't bother me at all.  It already had a new 440 in place when I found it and was the perfect platform to start my project.  It just seems odd when some people obviously enjoy seeing your car go down the road or parked at a show and then get a whole different attitude when the VIN has an XP in it.  As others have stated, it's my car and I'll do to it as I damn well please.  Come to think of it, I wish I could clone myself back to 1968.  I sure don't look the same now as I did then.    Bob
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rt green

i agree. all chargers and all other mopars started out the same at the factory. what it came with, or didnt come with shouldnt matter. whats the difference if you put something on or in the car, than a factory employee doing the same?  if you improved your house, do you think someone will come over and bitch that it wasnt stock?  think about it. if people are into stock, so be it. stock is cool, but i think the core of being stock is resale value. i respect stock, modified, and cloned  but dont understand why people are so down on a car when it 'didnt come with that from the factory' crap.  and whats up with the stuffed animals at car shows?  wheres the pajamas? 
third string oil changer

Gary42

I guess I have to throw my own two cents into this ring, as I am "attempting" a total resto of my (numbers matching) 72 Rally (Hotrod knows the troubles I have been having). I guess I have been able to see things in a different light from many others these days. I have been retired from the US Army since 2002, a native NY'er living in AR, and have only seen half of my children's baby years due to long deployments to every country we have ever been in.
Lets face it, we are all not million aires, don't have a large settlement coming to us, have rich parents/grandparents that like to fund these projects, got in on the buying spree of the late 80's early 90's, or even have large stock investment's we would cash in to restore these cars to original condition. In speaking with Larry (Hotrod) for a few years now, he enlightened me on many aspects of an "Original" car. When it left the factory, no matter where it was produced, many times it already had more body work preformed on it then any of us would care to mention. The paint was not perfect, interior had a few flaws, or the engine compartment may have had a visible drip that was not corrected before the engine was placed into the car.
If you look closely enough, you will find the mistakes, screw ups or just plain laziness from the person/s who had a hand in the assembly process.
So, if these cars are restored to "original" condition, it has to have its character mistakes not obvious mistakes, but its character mistakes. Heck, who the hell wants a car so perfect that they can brush their teeth in the glare of the paint ( you know what will happen once you get on the road and some sorry truck driver has failed to rinse off the dirt from his last trip down a construction road), I have a bathroom for that, afraid to sit inside it and have a cold drink from the local fast food chain because a drip of water might mess up the armoral sheen, or you have to "wash/wipe your feet off before you get in, God forbid a grain of dirt is seen on the carpets,"thats what they made vacuums for. Some things are obvious, so lets not delve into the sarcasm I use to make a point, I am imperfect afterall.
If I wanted a car just to look at," then I will go to my nearest hobby store and find the model build it, or go on e-bay and buy the metal version of it. I want to drive it, feel the vibrations from a non-perfect set of tires, and just be proud that I have what I have and am able just to have fun with it. I don't care who likes what I have done to it, it is mine and if someone can do better on an average person's budget, then more power to ya. I will do the best I can with what I have for now, and if that makes so many people comment on the imperfect things, then I feel good as they are looking at my ride and no one else's.
I have a house I am renovating/building on to, three teen agers, and a grocery bill that most people could use to buy an "Original" set of seat covers every month. Remember, most things are accomplished by being in the right place at the right time, and buying the original pieces for next to nothing. Barrett-Jackson does not help the average car enthusiasts in the endeavors of restorations, they do more damage then they could ever imagined.
Just my two cents.
1972 Dodge Charger, Rally edition
2010 Dodge Challenger, Rally package
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TruckDriver

General Lee paint jobs on car that are not even a '69 Charger. And the fact that there are just to many of them. ::)
PETE

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Bandit4142

Quote from: supserdave on February 03, 2007, 12:49:25 PM
Painted over pentastars on the fender! 

Wow....   From the looks of this thread, everyone is going to hate my '69 for one reason or another...   Black engine bay...  R/T clone...  Painted Penstar Emblem... Not original color... No numbers matching...  '70 Six Way seats in a '69... 

That's ok!   I love it anyway.   I'm building the Charger that I've wanted my entire life.    ;D   

BTW, I've been a Mopar enthusiast as long as I can remember, and generally speaking, if its a Mopar I love them all, no matter original or modded.   
1969 Charger - 383 mag auto - Sold and sorely missed.
1970 Charger R/T - 440 mag - sold
1969 Super Bee - 383 mag auto - sold
1969 Cornet R/T - 383 mag 4 spd - sold

Lord Warlock

I understand some people can't locate a real r/t and therefore build a clone, and i don't have any problems with them as long as they don't claim its a real r/t, but i've seen dozens that people would claim it was when it wasn't, and also seen these same people try to pass it off as real when they sold it.  Those are the clone owners i have issue with.  I can respect the effort people make to their individual cars and make them stand out from the rest, and am happy to compliment them when they take it to a gather or show.  I've owned a clone before, (70 z28) but always told folks it was just a plain camaro. 

I also don't care if the owner paints the car a different color, after 30 years, few of our cars paint has survived intact, and when the time comes to repaint it, pick the shade you like best.  The only reason why my own y3 charger is factory color is because the uniqueness of it.  I've repainted several cars of mine in the past, and not once have I kept the factory color, I did whatever color I thought would look good and fit my personality at the time. 

As for those that don't do the work themselves, not everyone can be a know it all tuner of every car they drive.  While I always did my own tuning on the charger (every thursday night as a teenager) and did my own engine swaps, and modding of other cars, I am secure enough in my manhood to know that I can't always do everything yourself.  I pay experts to do my seat recovering, and will pay to have a vinyl top installed, and will pay a bodyman to reweld in new sheetmetal.  And when I first got my dodge stealth, for 9 years I paid others to do all the maintenance on it, because the concepts of fuel injection motors is alien to me, as were turbochargers/intercoolers etc.  It wasn't until I'd had it 10 years that I attempted to learn how to do maintenance on it myself, and still do most of it, but there is always something i can't figure out and have to take it in to get resolved.

My motor may not be numbers matching, but only because I blew the original motor up myself and had to replace it.  Only the block isn't stock, exhaust manifolds, heads, intake, accessories etc are all original pieces.  At least I figured out how to pull and replace the motor myself (twice).
69 RT/SE Y3 cream yellow w/tan vinyl top and black r/t stripe. non matching 440/375, 3:23, Column shift auto w/buddy seat, tan interior, am/fm w/fr to back fade, Now wears 17" magnum 500 rims and Nitto tires. Fresh repaint, new interior, new wheels and tires.

Bandit4142

For the record:   I don't think ANYONE that has posted in this thread was being harsh or knocking on peoples cars from the board here.    You guys are simply stating things that may get under your skin from time to time, or things you personally find annoying.    That's cool, I for one completely understand as I've been building / showing cars for a number of years, and I know that not everyone is going to love every car.

You guys are all great and I hope someday to hit one of the big Mopar shows this coming summer.   ;)


P.S.  My biggest pet-peeve is when people refer to a platform of car as 3SI's  rather than a 3/S!   (Inside joke between me an Lord Warlock)
1969 Charger - 383 mag auto - Sold and sorely missed.
1970 Charger R/T - 440 mag - sold
1969 Super Bee - 383 mag auto - sold
1969 Cornet R/T - 383 mag 4 spd - sold

69bronzeT5

Quote from: Lord Warlock on February 03, 2007, 02:06:05 PM
I understand some people can't locate a real r/t and therefore build a clone, and i don't have any problems with them as long as they don't claim its a real r/t

Im making an RT clone and all Im gonna get a car show board made saying "1969 Dodge Charger" and then have the options. Im not gonna put 1969 Dodge Charger RT because well, its not a RT.
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1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

MorePwr

You guys think you here a lot of whining, try owning a drag Charger. I've actually heard " :scared: Oh my! how could you cut up such a beautiful car?"...my responce in the future will be..Dunno. why are you wearing black socks with tennis shoes and shorts, dork. or why are you walking around with that booger hanging out your nose? :icon_smile_big:

The first time I heard that I explained that I had purchased the car in 1990 as a wreck of a drag car. that had been modified in the early eighty's. My explanation was probably out of a bit of embarrassment that the car(at its present popularity) shouldn't have been cut up. Had the car been stock. back in 1990 when I bought it. I'd have left it stock. (less the wheels  :puke: I bet most of these cars went straight to the tire store to have wide ovals and cragers put on.) but it wasn't.

As I see it now, I've put a lot of heart and soul...and cash too, into bringing back a piece of muscle car history. I am very proud of that, and a bit tired of the opinion that my car should be as someone els thinks it should be. or to have someone suggest that I've somehow screwed with Charger heritage.

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Dubs

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Bodies jacked up to clear overwide tires/rims
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I think my only pet peeve wouldbe when someone causes permanent damage to a car to achieve their vision.   I'm not talking about cars that are too far gone to do anything except make a 4X4 out of it but when someone takes a rust free car and changes it into a pickup or soemthing like that.
There are lots of things people do to their cars that don't fit my taste and I would never copy it because to me it's ugly, but those are just my personal opinions.

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twilt

Actually.... my biggest pet peeve is people who post stuff like "what color should I paint my car" "what rims look the best" and stuff like that. I figure that people should have the mental capacity to make these type of decisions on their own.

69bronzeT5

Quote from: twilt on February 03, 2007, 08:00:15 PM
Actually.... my biggest pet peeve is people who post stuff like "what color should I paint my car" "what rims look the best" and stuff like that. I figure that people should have the mental capacity to make these type of decisions on their own.

:errr: :blush2:
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1969 Charger: T5 Copper 383 Automatic
1970 Challenger R/T: FC7 Plum Crazy 440 Automatic
1970 GTO: Black 400 Ram Air III 4-Speed
1971 Charger Super Bee: GY3 Citron Yella 440 4-Speed
1972 Charger: FE5 Red 360 Automatic
1973 Charger Rallye: FY1 Top Banana 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Road Runner: FE5 Red 440 Automatic
1973 Plymouth Duster: FC7 Plum Crazy 318 Automatic

69-DodgeCharger

well it never hurts to ask others opinions. you dont need to do what people tell you what they think is best. they may say something that brings up a good point to you though and makes you realize that you should do something differently. basically just asking for opinions

Khyron

Quote from: mikepmcs on February 02, 2007, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: Khyron on February 02, 2007, 06:27:55 PM


ohhh and how many times do you think we're going to see "General Lee"?  ::)

Hey!   :icon_smile_big:

I actually like them, I was waiting for the flood of haters in this thread, but so far, I count only 3, and they simply said they didn't like it, no bashing...


this thread may have turned a new cheek.... I'm seeing.... respect  :o


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