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[Arthu®]

As some of you might know I am in college/university now doing an International Business and Management Studies which will eventually make me a Master in it. Anyways I have come a long way, not being very good at studying what I don't like I had problems in High School, dropped out and went through a part time placement/part time school thing. I have always worked hard and love what I am doing right now, but I have a problem. It's the other students, why on earth are some of them even in college? They are unmotivated assholes with a lack of ambition and a brain capacity simular to that of a cooked lobster. They are idiots, whenever doing a project (I have been elected as class chairman, don't ask me why I ever said yes to that) I get to basically spell it out for them in order to even get something that even sounds remotely possible.

Now is the youth these days unable to use their own brain and can only function through Google or is it just a lack of motivation and are all of them in the wrong education? I for crying out loud have a guy in my class doing the management course as well who is unable to have a conversation with anybody. He can not look in your eyes while talking to you not only is that rude but it doesn't come across as confident. How on earth does he picture himself as a manager.

I have spend the entire afternoon correcting over and over again someone's conclusion to an interview. And everytime I tell him something is wrong and point out what is wrong all he does is translate to english what I am saying and sends me a new copy again. After the 4th conclusion I tell him this he says yeah but I thought up those points myself as well. I knew that but you just told me as well, that was when I was sure that I could put them in. So I ask him if he has any other brilliant ideas that he could put in (I have about a 1000) but no he thinks this was about it. I haven't told him anything yet and am seriously considering killing myself at this point in time. What is this world coming to, is this the next generation of managers? Is modern society so pathetic that these people will even get a career in management? Seriously if I complete this 5 year study, I don't know what else in the world is going to break me.

Rant off.

Arthur

[moparguy01]

I know a lot of management that I wouldn't let subcontract out a repair on a tricycle. But there are a few of us students who take this serious. then there are the students like myself, who others think just never do homework. but in reality its because we have a full time job while taking a full time college curriculum.

[Shakey]

As some of you might know I am in college/university now doing an International Business and Management Studies which will eventually make me a Master in it. Anyways I have come a long way, not being very good at studying what I don't like I had problems in High School, dropped out and went through a part time placement/part time school thing. I have always worked hard and love what I am doing right now, but I have a problem. It's the other students, why on earth are some of them even in college? They are unmotivated assholes with a lack of ambition and a brain capacity simular to that of a cooked lobster. They are idiots, whenever doing a project (I have been elected as class chairman, don't ask me why I ever said yes to that) I get to basically spell it out for them in order to even get something that even sounds remotely possible.

Now is the youth these days unable to use their own brain and can only function through Google or is it just a lack of motivation and are all of them in the wrong education? I for crying out loud have a guy in my class doing the management course as well who is unable to have a conversation with anybody. He can not look in your eyes while talking to you not only is that rude but it doesn't come across as confident. How on earth does he picture himself as a manager.

I have spend the entire afternoon correcting over and over again someone's conclusion to an interview. And everytime I tell him something is wrong and point out what is wrong all he does is translate to english what I am saying and sends me a new copy again. After the 4th conclusion I tell him this he says yeah but I thought up those points myself as well. I knew that but you just told me as well, that was when I was sure that I could put them in. So I ask him if he has any other brilliant ideas that he could put in (I have about a 1000) but no he thinks this was about it. I haven't told him anything yet and am seriously considering killing myself at this point in time. What is this world coming to, is this the next generation of managers? Is modern society so pathetic that these people will even get a career in management? Seriously if I complete this 5 year study, I don't know what else in the world is going to break me.

Rant off.

Arthur

Prior to you dropping out of high school, do you think your classmates felt the same way about you?

Hope it gets better for you.

[Orange_Crush]

Anyways I have come a long way, not being very good at studying what I don't like I had problems in High School, dropped out and went through a part time placement/part time school thing.

That's your answer right there. 

Back when you were 16, I remember you trying to be a mechanic as an "apprentice" type of thing and you HATED it.

The reason you take it seriously is because YOU know what is out there if you don't.  You don't want to go back.

They don't take it seriously because they haven't been there.

[nh_mopar_fan]

I gotta agree with that.

I'm going through it right now.

My son just scored a 190 on his PSAT. By his own admission, he didn't prep at all and, since he's a sophmore, he hasn't even had some of the material in class yet. That's the equivalent of a 1900 SAT score. That is a seriously good score and most say that you can add 50-100 points the following year.

He scored better than 85% of all sophmores nationwide in the reading section.

Right now, he's in danger of failing at least 3 classes and one of them is English. Just can't be bothered no matter what the reward or punishment. He turns 16 next month and will not be getting his license and could care less at this point.

[Ponch ®]

As some of you might know I am in college/university now doing an International Business and Management Studies which will eventually make me a Master in it. Anyways I have come a long way, not being very good at studying what I don't like I had problems in High School, dropped out and went through a part time placement/part time school thing. I have always worked hard and love what I am doing right now, but I have a problem. It's the other students, why on earth are some of them even in college? They are unmotivated assholes with a lack of ambition and a brain capacity simular to that of a cooked lobster. They are idiots, whenever doing a project (I have been elected as class chairman, don't ask me why I ever said yes to that) I get to basically spell it out for them in order to even get something that even sounds remotely possible.

Now is the youth these days unable to use their own brain and can only function through Google or is it just a lack of motivation and are all of them in the wrong education? I for crying out loud have a guy in my class doing the management course as well who is unable to have a conversation with anybody. He can not look in your eyes while talking to you not only is that rude but it doesn't come across as confident. How on earth does he picture himself as a manager.

I have spend the entire afternoon correcting over and over again someone's conclusion to an interview. And everytime I tell him something is wrong and point out what is wrong all he does is translate to english what I am saying and sends me a new copy again. After the 4th conclusion I tell him this he says yeah but I thought up those points myself as well. I knew that but you just told me as well, that was when I was sure that I could put them in. So I ask him if he has any other brilliant ideas that he could put in (I have about a 1000) but no he thinks this was about it. I haven't told him anything yet and am seriously considering killing myself at this point in time. What is this world coming to, is this the next generation of managers? Is modern society so pathetic that these people will even get a career in management? Seriously if I complete this 5 year study, I don't know what else in the world is going to break me.

Rant off.

Arthur

I wrote something along these same lines a few months ago in my blog:

"Last night I came to a sad realization about today's youth: They're fucked. I'm not talking about 'young' people my age (mid-late 20's). I'm talking about anyone born after 1983. What made me come to this realization? Well, like every one of my posts, there's a story behind it.

As some of you know, I'm still in college (yes, at 25...but that's another topic altogether). Last night, the lecture in a particular class was given by the T.A. using PowerPoint. I was amazed (and saddened at the same time) by how kids that are only 4-5 years younger than me are so different. Here's the situation: as the T.A. was giving the lecture, she was changing the PowerPoint slides somewhat quickly. Everytime she changed the slide, 3/4 of the room would grunt and ask her to change it back because they couldn't copy everything down. Meanwhile, I'm thinking that you're NOT supposed to write everything down, just the information that you, if you're paying attention like you should, deem to be relevant and of importance. Some of the 'kids' even went as far as to ask that the T.A. post the slideshow online.

What exactly is wrong with them? Seems like this generation (which I suppose is my generation, technically) wants everything done for them and everything to be convenient. They want the notes taken for them, they want study guides,...it really makes me wonder if we're creating a whole generation of people that will not have the ability to think critically and analitically for themselves. If they are asked to put some effort into it, they feel like they are being wronged. I don't know what the future holds for them (and myself, I reckon) or what could be done to ameliorate the situation (if it's not already beyond repair)

You know, maybe that 4-5 year age gap really does make a difference. I'm starting to think that maybe it's the laptops, the iPods, and the cell phones that have totally fried their brains out. Why? When I think about it, when I was in high school I still did research for papers and the like by actually going to the library and reading books and I made my own cassette mix tapes - now everything is just too easy and convenient."

[red72chrgr]

Yes, everything IS too easy for most people now. It probably started with the beginning of the baby boom. It's frustrating for us older folks too.

[Arthu®]

Prior to you dropping out of high school, do you think your classmates felt the same way about you?

Hope it gets better for you.

Never had projects in HS, was the top of my class in the classes I attended, the ones I didn't like I just didn't go to. Not smart but no-one else ever suffered.

Arthur

[Arthu®]

I wrote something along these same lines a few months ago in my blog:

"Last night I came to a sad realization about today's youth: They're fucked. I'm not talking about 'young' people my age (mid-late 20's). I'm talking about anyone born after 1983. What made me come to this realization? Well, like every one of my posts, there's a story behind it.

As some of you know, I'm still in college (yes, at 25...but that's another topic altogether). Last night, the lecture in a particular class was given by the T.A. using PowerPoint. I was amazed (and saddened at the same time) by how kids that are only 4-5 years younger than me are so different. Here's the situation: as the T.A. was giving the lecture, she was changing the PowerPoint slides somewhat quickly. Everytime she changed the slide, 3/4 of the room would grunt and ask her to change it back because they couldn't copy everything down. Meanwhile, I'm thinking that you're NOT supposed to write everything down, just the information that you, if you're paying attention like you should, deem to be relevant and of importance. Some of the 'kids' even went as far as to ask that the T.A. post the slideshow online.

What exactly is wrong with them? Seems like this generation (which I suppose is my generation, technically) wants everything done for them and everything to be convenient. They want the notes taken for them, they want study guides,...it really makes me wonder if we're creating a whole generation of people that will not have the ability to think critically and analitically for themselves. If they are asked to put some effort into it, they feel like they are being wronged. I don't know what the future holds for them (and myself, I reckon) or what could be done to ameliorate the situation (if it's not already beyond repair)

You know, maybe that 4-5 year age gap really does make a difference. I'm starting to think that maybe it's the laptops, the iPods, and the cell phones that have totally fried their brains out. Why? When I think about it, when I was in high school I still did research for papers and the like by actually going to the library and reading books and I made my own cassette mix tapes - now everything is just too easy and convenient."

I hear you on that one as well, it get's as bad that there are students unwilling to reply to a question of the teacher on the grounds that they don't understand it and are embarrassed to speak english. I mean that should get you kicked out that very first time you mention that. Because that shows A You are not smart enough or there is some other problem and B You are at an international school where the first language is english, what did you expect? Our chinese students have to be the worst, they truely can't think on their own. All they do is copy the entire book in their native language (mostly traditional chinese) and learn the facts, they don't interpreted the material they learn it word by word. But in the end they can't apply their knowledge. Since I have been chairman of our class I have kicked out 5 students in the Project Management class due to poor productivity. I didn't really make friends with that, but I am not there to make all the friends I can. I am not putting their name on work I did because they didn't. Student Counceling agreed with my decisions so they can do it again next year.

And most classes are half empty anyways most don't even bother to show up, I pay over (well ok I don't pay myself, but it is the idea) 1500 USD per year to attend this university (I know cheap compared to you in the states) and I intend to get the most out of it. But what some are amazed about is that they don't understand it, well if you don't show up for class and you don't read your book how are you supposed to know? And as soon as they have to apply the knowledge they freak out and call me or some of my friends (who do follow classes) and ask for our notes and the homework we made and if you basically tell them to go f*ck themselves they will get mad :S Bunch of pathetic whining little shits if you ask me.

Oh yeah it seems that 90% has yet to find the english spelling control on their MS Word :S Unbelievable, my english is far from perfect but compared to what is getting handed to me I am one sophisticated writer.

Arthur

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Quote from Mojo......

You know, maybe that 4-5 year age gap really does make a difference. I'm starting to think that maybe it's the laptops, the iPods, and the cell phones that have totally fried their brains out. Why? When I think about it, when I was in high school I still did research for papers and the like by actually going to the library and reading books and I made my own cassette mix tapes - now everything is just too easy and convenient."


Being a semi/old fart [43 years old] I totally agree with this statement. I still read the newspaper & try to read at least one book a month. I look forward to the day when I can throw my cell phone in the trash. The more technology we acquire, the lazier some of us get. 

[defiance]

"Get off my lawn!!"



Seriously, some points you guys hit dead on.  I've been on both sides of the fence.  I graduated with a 29 on my ACT (after I fell asleep on one part of it).  Could've gotten a full scholarship anywhere, slacked off and didn't finish the paperwork, flunked out of one college, went to another one, flunked out, and went on into the "real world".  8 years of barely scraping by and living in the craphole of a life I made for myself, I seriously lucked out and got the chance to go back, now I'm 3 hours away from my BS with a 3.6.  27 hours of which, BTW, I studied my arse off and CLEPed out of - which leaves me another 3 hrs of CLEP my college will accept, so I'll be finishing with another CLEP within a month or so. 

My entire attitude and outlook on life changed dramatically having 'been there'.

Having said that, I disagree with you on the anti-tech comments.  I've written some really amazing papers researched entirely online.  The same research would have taken orders of magnitude longer in a normal library.  That doesn't make me lazy, that makes me more efficient.  I still read plenty of 'normal' books - I'd read a lot more than one a month if some of my favorite authors (i.e. Tad Williams, Terry Goodkind, Stephen R. Donaldson, etc) would hurry up and get their stuff out! - but when researching, there's no reason not to use the most efficient tool at your disposal.  Incidentally, I've got a laptop I use the crap out of, I don't need an iPod because my cell phone has a really nice integrated MP3 player, and I haven't actually 'used' a CD (other than putting it in my CD-ROM and ripping it into my music folder and storing it away so it never gets scratched) in years
That doesn't make me lazy or fry my brain, but when there's a more efficient way to do something, why not embrace it?

Oh, back to the original topic, though - I know how frustrating it is to be on this side and dealing with people still on the other side.  My brother is 21 and dropped out, still mooching from our parents, basically setting himself up to go nowhere...  I want so badly for him to realize what he's doing, but just like me back then, telling me about it isn't going to help... I guess he'll just have to hit bottom himself.

[Ponch ®]

"

Having said that, I disagree with you on the anti-tech comments.  I've written some really amazing papers researched entirely online.  The same research would have taken orders of magnitude longer in a normal library.  That doesn't make me lazy, that makes me more efficient.  I still read plenty of 'normal' books - I'd read a lot more than one a month if some of my favorite authors (i.e. Tad Williams, Terry Goodkind, Stephen R. Donaldson, etc) would hurry up and get their stuff out! - but when researching, there's no reason not to use the most efficient tool at your disposal.  Incidentally, I've got a laptop I use the crap out of, I don't need an iPod because my cell phone has a really nice integrated MP3 player, and I haven't actually 'used' a CD (other than putting it in my CD-ROM and ripping it into my music folder and storing it away so it never gets scratched) in years
That doesn't make me lazy or fry my brain, but when there's a more efficient way to do something, why not embrace it?

It's not that I'm against technology...latptops, online research, iPods, etc. can be extremely useful and nifty (respectively). The problem is that today's youth rely entirely on it and expect everything to be easily accesible and to be done for them. Think of my anecdote about the powerpoint presentation - most kids didn't want it online to use as a tool, they wanted it online so they wouldn't have to take any notes at alll because they can't grasp the concept of listening, catching the relevant facts, and writing them down. Laptops?  that same class I was writing about was held in a lecture hall for about 200 people. About half of the students had laptops, and only about 1/4 were actually typing notes...the rest were on myspace, yahoo sports, etc.  Some kids wanna hang themselves (not literally) when the professor doesn't give out a study guide and - oh, the horror- they need to actually read the book, understand the material, and apply it. They're like the foreign students Arthur was talking about - they want to know what's going to be on the exams (and god forbid they're NOT multiple choice) so they can memorize the facts..

My point is that with everything so easily accesible, they feel wronged when asked to do something that might require an effort.

[Arthu®]

"

Having said that, I disagree with you on the anti-tech comments.  I've written some really amazing papers researched entirely online.  The same research would have taken orders of magnitude longer in a normal library.  That doesn't make me lazy, that makes me more efficient.  I still read plenty of 'normal' books - I'd read a lot more than one a month if some of my favorite authors (i.e. Tad Williams, Terry Goodkind, Stephen R. Donaldson, etc) would hurry up and get their stuff out! - but when researching, there's no reason not to use the most efficient tool at your disposal.  Incidentally, I've got a laptop I use the crap out of, I don't need an iPod because my cell phone has a really nice integrated MP3 player, and I haven't actually 'used' a CD (other than putting it in my CD-ROM and ripping it into my music folder and storing it away so it never gets scratched) in years
That doesn't make me lazy or fry my brain, but when there's a more efficient way to do something, why not embrace it?

It's not that I'm against technology...latptops, online research, iPods, etc. can be extremely useful and nifty (respectively). The problem is that today's youth rely entirely on it and expect everything to be easily accesible and to be done for them. Think of my anecdote about the powerpoint presentation - most kids didn't want it online to use as a tool, they wanted it online so they wouldn't have to take any notes at alll because they can't grasp the concept of listening, catching the relevant facts, and writing them down. Laptops?  that same class I was writing about was held in a lecture hall for about 200 people. About half of the students had laptops, and only about 1/4 were actually typing notes...the rest were on myspace, yahoo sports, etc.  Some kids wanna hang themselves (not literally) when the professor doesn't give out a study guide and - oh, the horror- they need to actually read the book, understand the material, and apply it. They're like the foreign students Arthur was talking about - they want to know what's going to be on the exams (and god forbid they're NOT multiple choice) so they can memorize the facts..

My point is that with everything so easily accesible, they feel wronged when asked to do something that might require an effort.

I have to agree with Mojo on this one and I am not against technology at all actually I love computers, how they work and how they can be made the most efficient, jeez I am a real nerd that actually builds his own, but just like Mojo I also believe that technology makes people lazy. It is just like with cars, 25 years ago there were no such things as ABS, TC, ASR and the like. But since a lot of the new cars have it people seem to think they can forget about the basics of driving.

Arthur

[General 713]

I agree with you.  I graduate from High School this May and there are some lazy people in my class that will be graduating. I am ranked 14 of 77. They turn in just enough assignments and show up for just enough class that they manage to get a D.  Then there is some that have dropped out and have gotten in to the Tech College here with their HSED and are taking classes there.  I am not sure where they are getting the money for classes or if they will stay.  I have seen them wandering around school during the day already when they are suppose to be at Tech.

I am taking college classes and haven't even graduated and i have had no problems with the classes because they are easy.  It might be because I know what they are teaching but I got and A some others got a D and they took notes but they never studied for tests.  I heard a kid talking the other day he got a C in a class he never showed up for.  To easy to pass some things.

[defiance]

Yeah, I see your point that they're lazy and that they use technology to facilitate their laziness - but I don't think the technology is the cause, just the current means of facilitation.  I'm sure if it wasn't tech, they'd find another means of being lazy

[Rocky]

I gotta agree with that.

I'm going through it right now.

My son just scored a 190 on his PSAT. By his own admission, he didn't prep at all and, since he's a sophomore, he hasn't even had some of the material in class yet. That's the equivalent of a 1900 SAT score. That is a seriously good score and most say that you can add 50-100 points the following year.

He scored better than 85% of all sophomores nationwide in the reading section.

Right now, he's in danger of failing at least 3 classes and one of them is English. Just can't be bothered no matter what the reward or punishment. He turns 16 next month and will not be getting his license and could care less at this point.

He sounds exactly like I was at 16.  I scored a 1260 on my SAT, back when the max was 1500 (thats better than my wife who is going for her masters in nursing and my brother who is a chiropractor).  I barely graduated highschool with a 2.3 GPA.  I always got great test scores, so I never did homework.  I've lived both sides of what Arthur is complaining about.  I'm guessing that he is a few years older, and more experienced the most of the students in his class.  They will either learn in the next few years or be pouring his coffee at Starbucks.

Rocky

By the way there Dice Man, when I ran spell check the only thing that came up was your spelling of "sophomore".

[69-DodgeCharger]

Yeah Im a senior in high school too. Theres lazy kids everywhere, even in gym class! They just slide through everyday half-assing every assignment expecting to get a good grade on it and complain when they get a shitty grade for doing a shitty job. I too wonder how these people manage to pass each grade. We have a place where kids like that are supposed to go to, ALC, meaning alternative learning center, but we make fun of it and call it, assholes last chance lol.  Im excited to graduate and move on to college, Im ranked like 50 some out of 489 students in my graduating class. There is a total of 2300 students in the school for 9th-12th graders. The school is built for 1700, we use the old school up the street for some classes as well to accomodate the large numbers. Class sizes are typically 25-40 kids, my US Lit class and Political Science class had like 45 kids let me tell you, it got hot as hell in those rooms 

[Mopar440+6]

As a 20 year old college student this is an interesting topic. I would say that I've been on both sides of the fence but I guess I really haven't. I think I simply realized early that there are very few opportunities out there without some sort of higher education. I place alot of this problem on the parents. My parents made me work if I wanted something whereas most of my friends in high school were handed whatever they wanted. Today's parents do not discipline their children nor do they teach their childrent that if you want something you must work to recieve it. At the age of 20 I am currently working at my 5th job. Now for those of you that are thinking "Well he just can't hold a job," I held two of those jobs for almost three years each and after I get my degree I will likely be moving up in the company I am currently working for. But, I have worked the manual labor jobs and I realized early on that there is NO way to support myself, much less a family, on that kind of income. However, in my first year of college I failed two courses and recieved D's in another two courses. Looking back as a junior I wish I had worked harder in those classes. After two and a half years of college I have figured out that if I want this degree I am going to have to WORK at it. Over the past few years I have taught myself how to read a textbook and take notes on it, sounds funny but try reading a multivariate calculus textbook like a novel. I have taught myself how to research and cite many different sources, not just Google (I blame this on the high schools. High school does NOT prepare you for college.) I have learned how to take notes to keep up with a professor that literally writes on the board with one hand and erases with the other. I have taught myself how to prepare and study for different types of exams. The list of things I've had to learn, so that I could learn, goes on and on. These are all things that a student must figure out for himself or herself; yet sadly most students are incapable of this. Only those students who truly desire to complete their degree will work hard enough to recieve it...

[253862656971]

There are a lot of really dumb students out there.  I'm in my 3rd year of a Mechanical engineering program and I see it all time.  It's not just students either.  A lot of the professors are as dumb as a rock.  I'm not saying I'm the all-knowing oracle but what I am saying is a lot of these people have zero practical experience in their fields.  2 examples:

1.  Last semester I took a metallurgical engineering class with a corresponding lab.  There was an old professor (taught for 25 years and had been in the field doing work for 20 before that) and a TA (masters student).  The professor was great and really knew his stuff, the TA, not so much.  Before every lab session the TA would have to do the experiment to make sure the equipment was in order.  In one lab during the discussion period the professor got irate with the TA because the hardness results for the crankshaft we were testing, were harder than that of a diamond.  In another lab we were using a Scanning Electron Microscope.  The TA just couldn't figure out how to run the machine.  We had to ask her nicely to move out of the way so we could do it right.  Guess what, we could make it work just using the verbal instructions given to us an hour before.  The scary thing is this gal is going to get her masters in metallurgy but she really has no clue how to do practical applications.

2.  One of my mechanical engineering professors has been teaching for over 30 years.  His "specialty" is in vehicle dynamics.  Now I'm on this baja team and we do a lot of design work t get our cars handling well before we ever cut the first tube.  We don't know everything and we know it.  In one instance we were looking at an anti-roll bar and we needed to calculate the resistance it would produce in the suspension.  We went to this guy to ask him how to calculate this and his answer was "it's very complicated."  We said we understand that but if there is an equation out there we could use and his reply "well we need to step back and take fundamental look at this setup."  After 30 minutes of fundamental looking we still couldn't get an answer out of him and I fully believe it was because he didn't know but couldn't admit it.  I used to have a lot of respect for the man because I thought he really knew what he was doing.  He told me (and anyone else who would listen) that he was a carbueration engineer for GM.  Well that piqued my interest because my great uncle had been a carbueration engineer at GM for years.  I was going to ask him if they ever worked together.  I found out later that the professor had been fired after about 3 months because he couldn't do the job.  That's when he went into teaching.  I have been debating with him recently about the talents, or lack thereof, of the school's CNC machinist.  The machinist can't make a part without leaving stress risers and leave off marks or pitching the part out of the vise at least once.  He can't even hold tolerances on the parts.  We don't ask for much +-.005 on the more critical cuts rather than the +-.03 that he holds.  The professor will not put any pressure on this guy to actually hold tolerances.  His answer "well that's not bad for a one off part."  Not bad?!  We've taken the parts to machinists in town with CNC's to get their opinion on it and their response is "if our machinists turned out parts like that, we'd fire him."  Oh BTW, this machinist is also a graduate of this college with a masters degree.

So idiots are everywhere.  You just have to separate yourself from them and prove yourself to your employer.  They'll see your capabilities and you'll move up.  They'll see the others for what they are and they'll stay put.

[nh_mopar_fan]

I gotta agree with that.

I'm going through it right now.

My son just scored a 190 on his PSAT. By his own admission, he didn't prep at all and, since he's a sophomore, he hasn't even had some of the material in class yet. That's the equivalent of a 1900 SAT score. That is a seriously good score and most say that you can add 50-100 points the following year.

He scored better than 85% of all sophomores nationwide in the reading section.

Right now, he's in danger of failing at least 3 classes and one of them is English. Just can't be bothered no matter what the reward or punishment. He turns 16 next month and will not be getting his license and could care less at this point.

He sounds exactly like I was at 16.  I scored a 1260 on my SAT, back when the max was 1500 (thats better than my wife who is going for her masters in nursing and my brother who is a chiropractor).  I barely graduated highschool with a 2.3 GPA.  I always got great test scores, so I never did homework.  I've lived both sides of what Arthur is complaining about.  I'm guessing that he is a few years older, and more experienced the most of the students in his class.  They will either learn in the next few years or be pouring his coffee at Starbucks.

Rocky

By the way there Dice Man, when I ran spell check the only thing that came up was your spelling of "sophomore".

What's spell check say about "doh!"?

[70charger_boy]

 

[Mean 318]

All I can say is quit putting me into a group of "youth these days unable to use their own brain". I bust ass to do what I need to, when I need to! I have been working since I was 15, I maintained a 3.3GPA, was a boy scout, played in the band, the pep band, ran track, ran cross country, became an eagle scout, and allways worked for everything I had! I am 18 and currently attending college while working full time, being an adult Boy Scout leader, and setting up a scholarship for kids going into auto mechanics. So please dont classify all people within certain age groups as lazy, or selfish! There are assholes everywhere, of every kind!

[moparguy01]

All I can say is quit putting me into a group of "youth these days unable to use their own brain". I bust ass to do what I need to, when I need to! I have been working since I was 15, I maintained a 3.3GPA, was a boy scout, played in the band, the pep band, ran track, ran cross country, became an eagle scout, and allways worked for everything I had! I am 18 and currently attending college while working full time, being an adult Boy Scout leader, and setting up a scholarship for kids going into auto mechanics. So please dont classify all people within certain age groups as lazy, or selfish! There are assholes everywhere, of every kind!

Your so full of crap. We know your one of the lazy ones.  haha  just kidding man. its just fun to give ya shit. 

[Mean 318]

  HA HA HA....... lol, its all good

[Arthu®]

Note that this is about my generation as well, if it would apply to everyone it would apply to me as well... I never ever even mentioned you mean318 the thought never even crossed my mind.

Arthur