68 charger radiator support blackout on a black car???

[Charger-Bodie]

just wondering about the radiator supt blackout on a black car ive heard both ways that the factory didnt do it on dark colors and some say they did it anyway does anyone have an original car or know for sure cause i want it to look right thanks brian

[bull]

just wondering about the radiator supt blackout on a black car ive heard both ways that the factory didnt do it on dark colors and some say they did it anyway does anyone have an original car or know for sure cause i want it to look right thanks brian

I don't know for sure but I'm guessing some got it and some didn't. It's obviously a flat black which would provide a better blackout than a shiny black but I can't imagine it being that much better. I'm kind of curious too since I'm going to paint mine black but I don't really see a reason to do it other than correctness (if that's the way they did). My guess is they did whatever it took to save a buck (like installing vinyl tops) so probably didn't happen on black cars. I would imagine they did it on everything else though, even the dark greens.

[TX9 Charger]

FWIW, I have a 70 that left the factory black & it was not painted.

[bookedbydano]

I would at least paint the front of the radiator support black.  If you don't you will see the color throught the grill and it will clash with your nice black grill

[Troy]

I would at least paint the front of the radiator support black.  If you don't you will see the color through the grill and it will clash with your nice black grill

It's a black car (so all that will show through will be - black?).

As far as I know, black cars did not have a blacked out radiator support. I'd check mine but that part isn't original any more. Of course, the fine folks in the Mopar assembly plants have proved that just about anything could happen.

Troy

[hemi68charger]

As far as I know, black cars did not have a blacked out radiator support.
Troy

That's what I've heard as well.......

Troy

[greenpigs]

I would at least paint the front of the radiator support black.  If you don't you will see the color throught the grill and it will clash with your nice black grill

It's a black car (so all that will show through will be - black?).

As far as I know, black cars did not have a blacked out radiator support. I'd chack mine but that part isn't oroginal any more. Of course, the fine folks in the Mopar assembly plants have proven just about anything could happen.

Troy

Spell Check anyone?

[Troy]

I would at least paint the front of the radiator support black.  If you don't you will see the color throught the grill and it will clash with your nice black grill

It's a black car (so all that will show through will be - black?).

As far as I know, black cars did not have a blacked out radiator support. I'd chack mine but that part isn't oroginal any more. Of course, the fine folks in the Mopar assembly plants have proven just about anything could happen.

Troy

Spell Check anyone?

It's fixed now. I had a rough day... but thanks for pointing it out.

Troy

[69Charger500]

The Engineering Graphics for '68 Charger states "apply blackout as indicated in graphic except if covered with deadener or with the following colors:"

EB9  Dk. Blue Metallic
EF9  Dk. Green Metallic
TX9  Black
EM9  Burgundy

I'll post the graphic later for those who are interested...

[69Charger500]

sorry, that was the '70 graphic, which is identical to the '68, except '68 includes "Maroon" as an exception color as well...

[ds440]

So, the radiator supports on a '68 were painted black?   Like the above '69?

The '70 graphic helps, but does anyone have an image of that area?

[69Charger500]

it is nearly the exact same graphic only with D/E model year codes and also the maroon exception color for '68...

it's dated 9/22/66...

[Joshua]

So, the radiator supports on a '68 were painted black?   Like the above '69?

The '70 graphic helps, but does anyone have an image of that area?

Yeah....I'm confused on this as well. My car was originally gold......and everything behind grill was gold as well.

[xs29j8Bullitt]

As far as I know, black cars did not have a blacked out radiator support.
Troy

That's what I've heard as well.......

Troy

Well, that is what I have always heard as well... BUT, I went to check my black '68 Charger R/T, and it appears to have a "flat" black over the body color...   I have owned the car since the mid-70s, and do not believe that it was ever repainted behind the grille.  The outside of the car was apparently partially painted very earlier in its life, and I repainted the engine compartment in the late 70s... but not the area behind the grille.

Below are some pictures taken tonight (Yes, the car is dusty from storage awaiting restoration...).  The flat black appears to be lifting off in a number of places...

XS

[Charger-Bodie]

so it could go either way

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I have heard about & seen unrestored black & dark colored cars that got the blackout...never say never

[69Charger500]

Error or Mistake proofing in enginering designs and manufacturing processes is almost never failsafe.  I have personally seen a car get framed with a 2-door body side aperture on one side and a four door body side aperture on the other side.  Of course, this is an extreme example, but more subtle errors occur with some regularity.

2WD SUVs with 4WD badging...

chrome exterior window trim on one side and black on the other...

engines with no oil in them...

wrong make badging on a car...

I guess it comes down to a judgement call or personal preference on how to restore your own car, but having built cars for the past 20 years, I follow the engineering graphics to the greatest extent possible!  That's why I went through all the trouble of obtaining them!

I do agree if there is an interesting item on how a particular vehicle was built back then, I would definitely consider duplicating it just for the fun of it...

Here's a question to ponder...

If you had an original Hemi Daytona that was misbuilt by not having the Hemi badges installed on the doors, how would you restore it?

With or without the Hemi badges???

[HeavyFuel]

I'd put the badges on.  Who the heck would know the difference?  And would it matter?

If the car was a survivor, obviously leave it alone.  A resto.....I would say fix the mistakes.

[Ghoste]

I agree.  It ties in somewhat with the whole over-restored/under-restored controversy that seems to be cropping up now.

[tan top]

i allways though & i am pretty sure i read this somewhere  , that if it was a dark color F8 -  b7 - X9  chrysler never use any black out treatment behind the grill  & on the core support  .

[TylerCharger69]

I dunno...but judging by the pics of that sweet car...I'd paint everything black   just like the outside....

[Ghoste]

i allways though & i am pretty sure i read this somewhere  , that if it was a dark color F8 -  b7 - X9  chrysler never use any black out treatment behind the grill  & on the core support  .

You mean like a dozen posts up?   

[tan top]

i allways though & i am pretty sure i read this somewhere  , that if it was a dark color F8 -  b7 - X9  chrysler never use any black out treatment behind the grill  & on the core support  .

You mean like a dozen posts up?   

                     oops   that will teach me not to talk on the phone  at the same time         i only read the top couple of posts      then scrolled down to the bottom  quickly .   my bad ....                          

[Ghoste]

Actually, based on your first sentence, I thought you were kidding around.  I was just trying to play into your joke, so it's maybe my bad?  I wasn't trying to go for sarcastic.

[tan top]

thats ok (Ghoste)                       

[hemi-hampton]

Yeah, I always heard the darker colors were not blacked out but when I went to restore a rare 1 of 1 Black T/A Challenger I was sure to look very very closely at this area & it indeed was Flat black to my surprise. So I restored back this way since what is right is how your car originally came. I'd say some black cars come both ways & only way that is right is how yours originally came from factory. Problem is if your car has been restored 10 times by 10 differennt owners then you'll never know? Just my Opinion. LEON.