Ok, need help with what is incorrect in my engine compartment

[resq302]

Ok guys and gals.  I am getting down to the point where I can not think of anything else in my engine compartment that is not the way it should have been when it rolled off the factory assembly line.  Please note that I have since changed over the master cylinder to the correct disc brake style for 1969 and it is painted the correct semi flat black.  What I am looking for is to have people spot items that are not the correct color, style, part, etc on my car so I can get it back to the way it would have rolled off the assembly line.  Right now I am just making a master list of what needs to be changed or corrected before the start of the show season so I will not have to be tearing apart the car mid season.

Thanks again and be as brutal as you can.  I can take it.  If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.  The car is a 69 Charger with factory 383 HP engine and 4 speed console car.  Factory installed power disc brakes as well.  I will also be doing the same thing for my interior and undercarriage if I have photos of them saved on my computer as well.  Let the judging begin..... (and yes, I have a correct red cap repro style battery for the car also)

Brian

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[moparguy01]

paints too nice. hate to say it but if you want original you overdid the engine compartment. they never made them look that nice. they had runs and dry spots, that type of stuff. i didnt really see anything else. just that the paint was way too nice. Nice car.

[Charger-Bodie]

ballest resister  some of the fasteners  ecspecially the one holding the heater hose bracket VERY NICE GINE COMPARTMENT by the way

[71superbee]

Great job.....Looks awesome !!!

[resq302]

ballest resister  some of the fasteners  ecspecially the one holding the heater hose bracket VERY NICE GINE COMPARTMENT by the way

Can you specify which fasteners?  Is the ballast resistor supposed to have the metal bracket on it?

thanks for the compliments too everyone.  Keep the critiquing on my engine compartment coming.

[moparguy01]

you can pick up the fastener book. the charger one is out now. I cant remember the name of it now but it is out there. if i remember the name i'll post it up.

[Charger-Bodie]

voltage regulator ground strap ect but the one that really stands out to me is the one on the heater hose bracket

[69fuchs]

looks way better than mine, but as was said ballast resistor, check valve for power brake booster is supposed have the fitting sticking out vertically, possibly vac line for headlights....isn't that supposed to be hooked up to the back of the intake manifold instead of the check valve on the booster???

throttle bracket may be incorrect, valve covers-wire looms-may be c-body style, or you don't have #7 wire routed correctly.  And most importantly you have a HAND on your radiator.  I know that these cars did not come with hands.

Is that a 053 radiator?  Did your car come with a shroud?  The shroud is very hard to find.

Pie tin looks red.  It should be orange

[Dennis K]

The only things I can see that haven't been mentioned yet is the spark plug wire tabs on the driver's side valve cover, and it looks like the PCV valve is either incorrect or not pushed into the grommet all the way, and it should be painted with the engine, and the white plastic vacuum fitting on the power booster was painted black along with the booster. Still a beautiful car and engine compartment.

[resq302]

looks way better than mine, but as was said ballast resistor, check valve for power brake booster is supposed have the fitting sticking out vertically, possibly vac line for headlights....isn't that supposed to be hooked up to the back of the intake manifold instead of the check valve on the booster???

throttle bracket may be incorrect, valve covers-wire looms-may be c-body style, or you don't have #7 wire routed correctly.  And most importantly you have a HAND on your radiator.  I know that these cars did not come with hands.

Is that a 053 radiator?  Did your car come with a shroud?  The shroud is very hard to find.

Pie tin looks red.  It should be orange

-The pie pan has been a debate on here before so I have one of each style now that I bring with me to shows.   
-As for the radiator it is an 053 without a shroud as manual transmissions and the 383 4 bbl. did NOT come with a shroud according to the factory service manual chart. 
-Regarding the check valve for the power brakes, that is what was on the car when I got it and I have seen a bunch of them like that at different Mopar shows so I am only to guess it was a variation or mid year change as my car is a late 69 Build.
-The PCV valve is the correct metal one that has the right angle bend in it.  I was not sure if it was on the engine prior to the engine getting painted so I left it the natural black oxide color.
-Which heater hose bracket is incorrect?  Is it color wise or wrong bracket entirely?  From what I have seen, those brackets are correct.  Of course, they could have been wrong also.

The tabs on the driver side I am aware of and just obtained an original set of 69 HP valve covers with the tabs missing on the driver side.  The auction also came with another chrome breather.

[resq302]

voltage regulator ground strap ect but the one that really stands out to me is the one on the heater hose bracket

What is wrong with the voltage regulator ground strap?  Are you referring to the ground strap that goes from the rear of the engine to the fire wall?  If so, I got that from Bill Alphin so I am certain that ground wire is correct.

[Lord Warlock]

The strap aluminum piece that holds the heater hose and attaches to the fender looks like bare metal, mine is covered with rubber coating. 

My pie pan is red as well.

The ballast resistor (the clay looking one) has a bell shaped top, mine isn't shaped that way, and off the top of the head can't remember a bolt holding it in place, think mine is different. 

Are the horns supposed to be gloss black?  Mine have never looked glossy, and thought they were cast colored, but can take a look tomorrow.

The fan looks too new, and mine has a clutch fan on it originally.  (mine is an ac car with a shroud though)

Are the rubber hoses and ground cables supposed to partially coated with engine colored paint?   

Looks real nice though.  Nice looking engine bay. 

[resq302]

The strap aluminum piece that holds the heater hose and attaches to the fender looks like bare metal, mine is covered with rubber coating. 

Ok, that is easily enough fixed as I have that rubber dipping stuff that you can put onto handles of tools.  Was it coated all the way or just the hooked part that holds the hoses?

[Lord Warlock]

I'll have to check to find out, I think it was just partially dipped, but it was at least the whole part supporting the hoses. 

My PCV valves don't have a wider section rising out of the valve cover, and both of mine are not painted at all, although they may have been swapped out.  I have two different ones to look at and see though from two different 440 chargers. 

I didn't see them, but did you have rubberized hold down tabs (engine colored) that hold the harness in place on the right side of the carb along the edge of the valve cover?

[resq302]

Yes, I have the wire harness fold over tabs on the pass. side valve cover but you can not see them probably from the angle of the photo.

[Lord Warlock]

oh, last things i noticed was the dipstick handle on mine isn't painted engine color, its either black or unpainted. 

My oil breather on the drivers side valve cover is painted black not chrome, but then again mine isn't the tall style either, its shorter so may be aftermarket. 

My power steering pump cap is a dull looking aluminum color, not shiny chrome (yours looks better)

[resq302]

oh, last things i noticed was the dipstick handle on mine isn't painted engine color, its either black or unpainted. 

My oil breather on the drivers side valve cover is painted black not chrome, but then again mine isn't the tall style either, its shorter so may be aftermarket. 

The dipstick handle was supposed to be painted the engine color from articles I have read.  The dipstick tube is natural steel color and not engine color for some reason.

As for the oil breather, the HP engines got a chrome breather while standard engines got the semi flat black breather.  I had an incorrect semi flat black one for the longest time till I got a correct chromed one from Tony D'Agostino at a show.

[Charger-Bodie]

voltage regulator ground strap ect but the one that really stands out to me is the one on the heater hose bracket

What is wrong with the voltage regulator ground strap?  Are you referring to the ground strap that goes from the rear of the engine to the fire wall?  If so, I got that from Bill Alphin so I am certain that ground wire is correct.

the part look right to me i was only talking about the bolts ....as far as the hose bracket goes ive seen them both ways

[tecmopar]

The plastic piece on the brake booster and the battery.

[tan top]

looks too good to be factory                ( resq302 )  not the sort of thing i do is be a critic on another guys work , but i think these are incorrect / different to what i have seen on original  cars   so no  offence meant dude , 

ballast resistor  -  incorrect  fixing  &  look . also should be  mounted higher , using the the next hole above .
pcv valve - should be engine color
windshield washer hose needs to be attached by one more plastic strap on the inner fender  about   2 1/2  - 3" s  from  the fire wall . you will see the mounting hole .  can't see if it is the correct hose or not , should be ribbed .
  the heater hose bracket looks correct to me for a none A/C car  in bare metal -fixing incorrect though.  only the A/C cars have part of the bracket dipped in a black plastic coating , also the bracket is slightly different .
brake booster  / head lamp vacuum line  - both run  separate  to the vacuum tree fitting on the inlet manifold
radiator cap
i think there is a plastic cap missing from the  master cylinder / booster mounting plate stud on the firewall
wire strap missing for the horn wiring , you can see the mounting hole ,under the windshield washer bottle
tachometer wire   - rubber grommet looks different or opposite way round . also the  hole looks to be in the wrong location .
drivers side  valve cover  incorrect  , plug wire tabs
6  fender bolts  three each side should be body color - the ones that bolt through the inner to attach the outer down by the sides of the core support .
larger holes cut in core support
bumper brackets bare metal .
head light vacuum pod looks to be around the wrong way .  . dumb question i know , does your head lamp doors work correctly. i say this because  the color codes on the vacuum lines are - green stripe goes to vacuum canister  - the yellow stripe goes to the top fitting on the vacuum pod and the one without a colored tracer goes to the bottom . also head lamp  door rear lifting bar , the 8 fixings two each side should be bright silver metal finish .
  like i said  these are only my observations / i have made ..to what i have see on original cars etc  . so no offence meant guys, to who has done what to there's  , each to there own .
 
all  the stuff  i mentioned is nit picking really as i think you have done a awesome job 

[y3chargerrt]

The oil presure sending unit and pcv valve were installed prior to engine painting.They should be engine color. Same with the temp sending unit.

[resq302]

looks too good to be factory                ( resq302 )  not the sort of thing i do is be a critic on another guys work , but i think these are incorrect / different to what i have seen on original  cars   so no  offence meant dude , 

ballast resistor  -  incorrect  fixing  &  look . also should be  mounted higher , using the the next hole above .  - so noted
pcv valve - should be engine color -so noted
windshield washer hose needs to be attached by one more plastic strap on the inner fender  about   2 1/2  - 3" s  from  the fire wall . you will see the mounting hole .  can't see if it is the correct hose or not , should be ribbed . - I have seen some like mine and other that have that additional strap, its not a problem as I have some more straps home... easily fixed.
  the heater hose bracket looks correct to me for a none A/C car  in bare metal -fixing incorrect though.  only the A/C cars have part of the bracket dipped in a black plastic coating , also the bracket is slightly different . -ok, so I will leave it bare metal with no rubber dipping.
brake booster  / head lamp vacuum line  - both run  separate  to the vacuum tree fitting on the inlet manifold -does anyone have a picture of this?
radiator cap - I am also aware of the radiator cap as the repros dont seem to hold the correct pressure.  I'll take the point to have the car run nice and cool.
i think there is a plastic cap missing from the  master cylinder / booster mounting plate stud on the firewall -according to Galen and some other people, that clear plastic stud protector was 68 only, but they could be wrong.
wire strap missing for the horn wiring , you can see the mounting hole ,under the windshield washer bottle - never knew about that.  is that the type of strap that the head lights used or the washer hose used?
tachometer wire   - rubber grommet looks different or opposite way round . also the  hole looks to be in the wrong location .  Grommet is a correct one, and the location is correct according to the pictures in the factory repair manual.
drivers side  valve cover  incorrect  , plug wire tabs
6  fender bolts  three each side should be body color - the ones that bolt through the inner to attach the outer down by the sides of the core support .
larger holes cut in core support - I have seen 22" radiator cores have the larger square for some reason.   The 26" rad cores have the extra piece of metal in the middle of the square opening.  Guess it was dependant on the rad size.
bumper brackets bare metal .   -always thought they were black oxide coated, never bare metal.
head light vacuum pod looks to be around the wrong way .  . dumb question i know , does your head lamp doors work correctly. i say this because  the color codes on the vacuum lines are - green stripe goes to vacuum canister  - the yellow stripe goes to the top fitting on the vacuum pod and the one without a colored tracer goes to the bottom . also head lamp  door rear lifting bar , the 8 fixings two each side should be bright silver metal finish .  -I think the headlight vacuum pod only fits in the section one way as there is a relief cut out for the vacuum nipple.  The doors are working correctly but I could have the lines hooked up wrong at the T also.  That is easily enough changed.  I never knew the hoses had to go a certain way.  Thanks for that tidbit! .  Lifting bar mounting screws color finish noted. Thanks.
  like i said  these are only my observations / i have made ..to what i have see on original cars etc  . so no offence meant guys, to who has done what to there's  , each to there own .
 
all  the stuff  i mentioned is nit picking really as i think you have done a awesome job 

To me, nit picking is what separates the men from the boys.  All kidding aside, I love paying attention to the details which is why I am asking for everyones input.  My goal is to have the most correctly detailed car out there.  (or at least one of the top ones).  Every man/woman has his dream.  ha ha

[Nacho-RT74]

I know what else is wrong on teh complete car, not only the engine bay. THE OWNER... I SHOULD IT BE the owner.

LOL

just a j/k

Great job !!!

[tan top]

The oil presure sending unit and pcv valve were installed prior to engine painting.They should be engine color. Same with the temp sending unit.

                       

( resq302 )  you might very well be right about about the bumper brackets     , only going by mine on this one , no traces of black  just  some small patches of surface rust , and bare steel on the frame rail side  . not the first time i have found discrepancy's on mine , compared to other cars.
  thats cool , the clear plastic stud protector was a 68 deal only  it has been said to me by a few guys that early 69's had them also only    ,  don't need to get one now .
the wire strap for the horn wiring , i have seen the white strap type  , and i am currently using one . but i am 99.99% sure there is  a special one for this purpose . i've seen one on a original car years  ago  black  in color.   can't really remember what shape it was  . i just thought  Hmmm... thats what goes there from the factory then , this was more that 15 years ago , long before i done a resto on mine . not sure if it was like  a single  fixing white strap type  or the head light harness type . but like i said pretty sure it was different.  the vacuum pod -i am only going what i found on  mine  again , witch  i know had never been apart ( 63000) original miles  , untill i  took it a part .   all so just noticed  you are missing two of these wire clamps. one each side  . to be honest i have seen original  chargers with different combinations of the vacuum tree , i think it might be do to  with  A/C - cruse control - what manufacture the brake booster was &  what was available on the assembly line . just my theory  most probably wrong on this one though . found these two  pitcures on ebay just now  , 

[gtx6970]

ignition coil should have green lettering
C-body drivers side valve cover
exhaust manifolds should have at the very least remnents of engine color on them near the head
master cyl, and ck valve are all GLOSS black (the 60's version not todays version of gloss black)
carb and it's  linkages  looks painted
throttle cable brkt looks like 2 barrel brkt
PCV and grommet both should be engine color .remove the sheetmetal nut off of it btw
No clamps of any kind are / should be on the pcv valve hose
Yes, the firewall stud should have the plastic cap ( AFAIK)
Power steering filler cap should be black like the pump
Ballast resistor should have the metal strap mounting . If it's converted to electronic hide the functional one and mount an original style there.and it's mounted to low. should be up near the firewall ground

my 

The rubber dipped heater hose brkt on the inner fender is A/C cars only ( again afaik)

[resq302]

Tan,

That vacuum hose/wire harness retainer I have seen on some cars and other cars have the hole but do not have the bracket.  I have talked to some original owners who swear that the mentioned bracket was never on their car.  Again, who knows.  Could have been a plant specific item that they installed versus my Hamtramk assembly plant.

[tan top]

Tan,

That vacuum hose/wire harness retainer I have seen on some cars and other cars have the hole but do not have the bracket. I have talked to some original owners who swear that the mentioned bracket was never on their car. Again, who knows. Could have been a plant specific item that they installed versus my Hamtramk assembly plant.

     could well be some thing like that or who ever was assembling them on that shift .  mine has them  one each side , with a  (SPD ) of  november 22nd   68  at   Hamtramck      probably another one of those Chrysler mysteries

[resq302]

My charger was built May 9th of 69 at the Hamtramk Plant.  Lots of time for them to change stuff around.

[69fuchs]

you need a 4 speed throttle cable stud on the carburetor.  They are shorter than the automatics.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Brian, in  addition to all that has been said...you still have the automatic transmission style carb throttle cable stud.....the 4 speed version is shorter (see pic)


Also I believe the upper control arm adjusters (bolt, cam plates & nuts were left natural, not black)
Strangely, I think your hole for your tach wire is in the wrong place???   All I have seen are below the vac hose grommet on the fire wall, not to the left of it.... 
Hey---wheres your firewall wire harness clips


All in all I must say to quote a famous womans cigarette...."you've come a long way baby!"

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

you need a 4 speed throttle cable stud on the carburetor. They are shorter than the automatics.

Sweet!  You beat me to it while I was searching my PC for a pic

[charger Downunder]

Horn attaching bolts should they be black,i thought a silver colour?.

Nice car
Steve

[resq302]

Thanks Steve, but from what I have seen on an original 70 RT charger in Denville, NJ, his was a olive green / blackish color when he removed them and we looked at the side that was up against the horn bracket that would not have been exposed to the weather.

Chris,  as for the upper control arm adjustment cams, they are painted zinc phosphate which is a grayish black (slightly darker than cast iron)color as the originals were supposedly treated, not left bare metal.  Again, this was the color on the inside of them when I removed them when I did the front suspension last year prior to the lift incident.  Thanks for reminding me about the throttle cable stud.  I forgot to chop that thing off last year.  Note to self.....snip the tip of the stud.

[gtx6970]

horn bolts and upper alignment cams were dark grey/ black  phosphate. Color will very widely due to the age of the actuall plating solution