Hemi Charger 500, an update.

[hemi68charger]

Magnumcharger, have you heard the latest on this car?

  wrong color

Mike, could it be the car doesn't have clear on it yet?.. Is it supposed to be an F8 car? I know my '68's turquoise didn't look correct until the clear was applied.......

Just curious...

Troy

[BigBlockSam]

I wish I could afford that guy.   

me too

[472 R/T SE]

Yeah, I looked and looked to see if you posted anything.  Kori didn't sound like it was too much of a secret.
It's a crying shame that it wasn't caught sooner.  If you're gonna go with green you just as well go in the right shade.

[Magnumcharger]

Yeah, I looked and looked to see if you posted anything.  Kori didn't sound like it was too much of a secret.
It's a crying shame that it wasn't caught sooner.  If you're gonna go with green you just as well go in the right shade.

I know when to shut my big yapper!

[472 R/T SE]

Not me...I guess.

[Highbanked Hauler]

Nope...none of the above.
Apparently there was a paint chip being used for reference, that was the wrong one, plain and simple.
Was to be F8, ended up F4.....or vice-versa.
Either way, the car needed to be re-sprayed, and the owner opted to take it elsewhere for the redo.
Quite a shame, as it was absolutely perfect and now it may as well be blasted back to bare metal.
And the bodyshop costs were already over $100K!

With that kind of money involved I would have spray out panels done and have the customer sign off on the color being used before anything makes it onto the car. You just can't risk a mistake.

[Charger-Bodie]

I agree....makes a lot of sense now in hindsight.

everything allways does!! its pretty easy to SAY someone would have done somthing different , but that doesnt meen that ACTUALLY would have if in the situation . point is that things happen to all of us who breath air , and the people who think thet are perfect are the ones with the most to learn

[70charger_boy]

Wow, that's a bummer

[Magnumcharger]

A quick update:
This car is now "color corrected" and being capably assembled by Kori Alexander at Show N Go Restorations.
He's definately got his hands full, as the owner wants to debut this vehicle in March at Las Vegas!!

Previous threads on this car:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,15508.0.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,13314.30.html

[Magnumcharger]

A few more pics...

[tan top]

   wow awesome ,

[The70RT]

W W..............

[hemigeno]

That is looking very sweet!    I'm sure the owner was (understandably) a little upset at the whole off-color issue, and I hope that everything turned out alright for him.

March, huh?  They can probably have it all together by then, but there is a lot of work left.  At least they have a lot of the sub-assembly components all prepped and ready to go. 

Thanks for posting the pics, Robin!




P.S.  This isn't a major deal at all, but the red paint on the brake drums was only supposed to be for 14" Chrome Road Wheels in '69.  With 15" steel wheels you can't see the face of the drum so they didn't paint those.  Again, no big deal

[472 R/T SE]

Nope...none of the above.
Apparently there was a paint chip being used for reference, that was the wrong one, plain and simple.
Was to be F8, ended up F4.....or vice-versa.
Either way, the car needed to be re-sprayed, and the owner opted to take it elsewhere for the redo.
Quite a shame, as it was absolutely perfect and now it may as well be blasted back to bare metal.
And the bodyshop costs were already over $100K!

I agree....makes a lot of sense now in hindsight.

So magnum, why are you deleting previous threads? 


I like that shade of green much better.  Kori's got his work cut out for him.  I would love to make Vegas. 

[Magnumcharger]

So magnum, why are you deleting previous threads? 

Streamlining the thread. Some things only need to be said once.

[billssuperbird]

 

[69_500]

Planning on taking the car to Vegas huh? Hmmmm, 3 years in a row I attend the Vegas show, and only see 1 Charger 500. This year I wasn't planning on going, and another 500 is going to be there? Hmmmmmm, maybe I need to make the plans to go anyways.


Looks like the car is coming along very nicely. Quite a drastic change from how the car looked a little over a year ago.

[Magnumcharger]

Planning on taking the car to Vegas huh? Hmmmm, 3 years in a row I attend the Vegas show, and only see 1 Charger 500. This year I wasn't planning on going, and another 500 is going to be there? Hmmmmmm, maybe I need to make the plans to go anyways.


Looks like the car is coming along very nicely. Quite a drastic change from how the car looked a little over a year ago.

I'm pulling as many strings as I can to try and make it there. Never been.

From Kori: (Who lurks, but cannot be seen!):  "So Geno is saying the rear drums should not be painted red....
I'm wondering about early built cars (1st week of production) with the optional 15 recall
wheels??? I will try to dig up a 'before' pic of the diff and drums.....pretty sure they had some red paint on them...
If not..no big deal...I have somemore restored drums without red...

Tell him thanks..we only want to do this once and do it right...

And thank Ed Cook for sending some pics of his beau-t-yful red 500...."

thx
k

[hemigeno]

From Kori: (Who lurks, but cannot be seen!):  "So Geno is saying the rear drums should not be painted red....
I'm wondering about early built cars (1st week of production) with the optional 15 recall
wheels??? I will try to dig up a 'before' pic of the diff and drums.....pretty sure they had some red paint on them...
If not..no big deal...I have somemore restored drums without red...

Tell him thanks..we only want to do this once and do it right...

Robin,

I do not have any paperwork which mentions anything about red drums on cars with W23 cast center wheels.  When typing that earlier reply in, I actually started to write about the possibility of the W23 getting red drums since that seems logical.  However, I went back to the paperwork and found it to show the following note:

APPLY A 2" WIDE PAINT BAND FROM EDGE OF
DRUM IN TOWARD CENTER PER P.S.3840 WITH
3404653 ENAMEL (N.D.SEE 2200087)
(WITH CHROME ROAD WHEELS ONLY)

That last line is obviously the reason I'd say pretty confidently that there should be no paint on the brake drums for anything w/o the Magnum wheels.  The particular Engineering Illustration I found is dated 2/19/68, with its last modification being dated 9/11/68 - right around the time the W23 wheels were cancelled.  There is no notation on the sheet about any changes made in that regard, and the Engineers were pretty much sticklers about noting EVERYTHING.  They still have the part number callouts for the lug nuts used with the cast center wheels on this particular sheet, so you'd think they'd also have the red paint listed if it were to have it??      

Can you see the face of the drum with the cast center wheels installed?  That was the whole reason for the red paint in the first place -- because the unpainted drums tended to rust almost immediately and it didn't look so hot that way on the dealers' sales lots.  You can see the drums through the open slots in the Road Wheels, but most of the other wheel centers are not as opened up.

I am honestly not trying to pick Kori's work apart - the car really does look GREAT.  For whatever reason, I figured Kori would want to get that detail right which is why I mentioned it.  More than likely it'd never be seen with the wheels on, but it's an easy fix now.

Oh, and Hi Kori!!!     He should join in the fun on this site - I'm sure I could learn way more from him than vice-versa.  Knowing trivial details about paint on brake drums does not compare to the bodyworking & restoration skills that he has...   

[RAC95054]

From Kori: (Who lurks, but cannot be seen!):  "So Geno is saying the rear drums should not be painted red....
I'm wondering about early built cars (1st week of production) with the optional 15 recall
wheels??? I will try to dig up a 'before' pic of the diff and drums.....pretty sure they had some red paint on them...
If not..no big deal...I have somemore restored drums without red...

Tell him thanks..we only want to do this once and do it right...

And thank Ed Cook for sending some pics of his beau-t-yful red 500...."

thx
k

I've seen an unrestored Daytona with Magnums that had the rear drums painted red, and I'm almost certain any car with the steelies did NOT have them painted.  For 1970, I've seen a lot of restored cars with Rallye wheels have the drums painted, but don't recall seeing an unrestored car as such.  My car (a 70 GTX w/ Rallye's) is mostly original, and I saw no trace of red on the drums.  However, they could have been replaced somewhere along the line (it had 62K original miles on it when I got it).  Not sure if this helps, but just some more data points.

[69_500]

Side note here to go along with what Gene is saying. The page that Gene is mentioning is listed in a newer Mopar magazine.  On page 96 of the Mopar Enthusiast, the Dec/Jan 2008 issue, which is Volume 2, issue 1. It is the not the exact page that Gene is referncing, as the one they show is dated 2-19-68 however it is regarding the exact same situation.

[Magnumcharger]

Some clarification is in order....
The cars that find their way to Kori's shop, for the most part, have the body refinished. They are, however, completely dissassembled, and often times missing essential components.
Kori's expertise lies in the area of completing the restoration, to the point of being completely authentic. Most shops can detail a car to appear correct. Kori actually makes them correct, no if's and/or buts.
If a fastener on the hood latch came with a black phosphate coating, it's going to have it again. Paint daubs, axle tags, carb finish, hose id, proper glass, cosmoline dipping, datecodes up the yingyag....he does all of this. And, he does most of it by himself.
He rebuilds engines, transmissions, and differentials to spec, then refinishes them to original appearance. It's truly incredible to see. He doesn't advertise....yet getting a spot reserved in his shop...well....you better book ahead.

The top Mopar at last years' Las Vegas show - a 1971 Roadrunner - was done by him.
It was awarded "World's best Mopar" honors.

That being said, and in reference to the red drums - he had an all-original 1971 Challenger R/T in his shop last fall. Rallye wheels, with red drums.
He thinks that might be the case for '70 and up cars...and not just with Magnum/Road wheels.

[hemigeno]

The '70 model year sheet showing the red brake drums was posted a year or more ago by John Kunkel in another thread.  In that document, it requires the drums to be painted on "Styled Wheels" - which IIRC includes Rallye wheels as well as the Magnum/Road wheels.  Here is the '70 page:

[69_500]

Kind of interesting to note that the 68, 69, and 70 pages all follow the exact same layout, and has the same diargram. The only thing I see different is the note changing from only on Road wheels to the Styled wheels. Well and part #'s changing here and there, and the section labeled SPL EQ Only is a whole lot shorted on the 70 page than the 68 and even 69.

[Magnumcharger]

Hi again,
I just got a few update pics from Kori at Show and Go. The 500 is coming along nicely, as you can see.
Lots of interest in this car, as well as healthy debate!! 

Be that as it may, it's looking fabulous!