real 72 rallye ??

[ACUDANUT]

I have a 72 charger. The guy I got it from says it is a rallye. Can anyone tell me if it is a true rallye??   WL21G2A132879   Thanks

[Charger1973]

Make:  W = Dodge Coronet / Charger
Price Class:  L = Low
Body Type:  21 = 2 Door Coupe
Engine:  G = 318 150HP(net) or 155HP(net) 1-2BBL 8 CYL
Model Year:  2 = 1972
Assembly Plant:  A = Lynch Road, MI, USA
Sequence Number:  132879 = 32879th Vehicle

[twilt]

You cant determine by the VIN number. It MIGHT be indicated by A57 code on the fender tag..............BUT..... from what I have read even a real 72 Rallye made at Lynch Road plant wont have that......... have you looked thru the car for a build sheet?

[hemihead]

A 72 Rallye didn't come wih a 318.

[twilt]

A 72 Rallye didn't come wih a 318.

that is an incorrect statement. I`ve seen several.

[1958300]

Look for the five horizontal indentations on the doors. Also, look for a rear sway bay. Even the 318 cars (the rallye package was available with any V8 engine) had the rear sway bars and heavy duty suspension. By the way, your car is a rare coupe model that does not have roll down rear windows. A total of 460 Rallye coupes were made with the 318 engine.

[twilt]

I believe that 460 number quoted above  is the number of ALL 72 Rallye coupes produced regardless of engine size. 

[Nacho-RT74]

A 72 Rallye didn't come wih a 318.

Rallye package was base with 318, with 340 ( 360 on 74 ), 400 and 440 as options.

340 was a Rallye by default with machine gun exhaust tips

[Drache]

The '72 Dodge Charger JR's had the rallye package except the doors and they only came with /6 

[hemihead]

I know that it was listed as an option on a 318 car but has anyone owned one or seen one personally?A verifiable one not just " I saw one one the net" or " a friend of a friend had one" Anyone can go to websites and quote what they read.
  What is a " Charger JR"? That's a new one. Any of you " experts" got proof of that model?

[Nacho-RT74]

quoting from http://chargerinfo.homestead.com/infoandspeck.html what really is a 73 website but packages were the same since 72, with some minimal stuff exceptions because body and miscelaneous differences, like no more louvered doors or tail lights

Rallye Package: Bulge hood, hood tie-down pins, black or red "gradated" body stripe, front and rear sway bars, F70X40 raised white letter tires, Rallye instrument panel (hooded, circular gauges with raised white letters, including a speedo, ammeter,oil,temp,and fuel.) 318V8 standard rallye engine.   340 4 barrel and 440 4 barrel V8 with bright tip duals at extra cost on the ralley. 340 was only available with the rallye.  440 also came with the S.E. package.

[twilt]

 72sunroof440 (a member here) has a 318 72 Rallye car. I have seen the car.  I bought the doors off of it.  On a 318 Rallye car, the power bulge hood emblems dont have engine size, just  "MAGNUM" 

[hemihead]

 3rd Gen expert  There is factory lit on a 71 T/A Challenger but no one ever saw one of those either so if you want to quote everything you read.....

[Nacho-RT74]

3rd Gen expert 

If that's for me I never have said I am. Ppl here says me that. That's the reason why I don't like "titles", because is a reason to be judged.

As I stated before, I just post what I read and see on web since I don't live up there to see and compare the rest of models available, and that's not the only website, just don't recall any other right now.

72Rallye340-N96 is saying HE HAS SEEN at least one of them and he is a 72 prooved fan. Dunno on 72 by myself but is a fact I have seen on ebay and other websites, pics and fenders tags/Vins about 73s 318 Rallyes numbers matching and they are not Rare

[twilt]

3rd Gen expert  There is factory lit on a 71 T/A Challenger but no one ever saw one of those either so if you want to quote everything you read.....

I`m not going to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It wouldn`t be fair to you. Believe whatever you want, it has no bearing on me or my happiness. I`ve never annointed myself as a 3rd Gen expert. The more I learn about them, the more I realize I dont know. Even though  I`ve owned 25 3rd Gens since 1983, I do not consider myself an expert...just an enthusiast.   Like i said, I`ve seen one before.. I
know that they do exist. 

[twilt]

Heres one that was on ebay earlier this week. Hemihead and GG havent inspected the car yet, so it may just be a clone. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/72-CHARGER-RALLYE-NICE-EASY-PROJECT-IN-KY-LOOK_W0QQitemZ200054964919QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[hemihead]

Why are you unarmed? And don't put my name in the same sentence as The "God" GG.

[red72chrgr]

Heres one that was on ebay earlier this week. Hemihead and GG havent inspected the car yet, so it may just be a clone.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/72-CHARGER-RALLYE-NICE-EASY-PROJECT-IN-KY-LOOK_W0QQitemZ200054964919QQihZ010QQcategoryZ6199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Doesn't the radiator look small? Maybe it's the angle of the photo?

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

wtf's a 72 charger JR?

[Ghoste]

Yeah, I'd still like to know that myself.

[twilt]

Doesn't the radiator look small? Maybe it's the angle of the photo?

Its a non air car, so it has a 22 inch radiator. (22 inch fan shrouds can be expensive) 

[Drache]

In 1972 Bay King Motors in Hamilton Ontario, among a couple other ontario dealerships, offered a package they called the JR SE. It was designed to combat street racing back then. Parents could order these cars for their kids. The cars had all the SE options and the Rallye options except the doors but the only engine available was the 225! The look of speed without the speed itself.

Full vinyl roof, chrome moldings on the doors, back up lights, hideaway headlights, rallye instrument panel, interior hood release, three point seat belts, hidden windshield washers, chrome turn signal markers, leather seats, pedal dress up, courtesy lights, wood grain dash and door inserts, premium steering wheel, extra chrome trim, SE emblems, etc.

These cars sold for $2999 CDN plus freight.

I've been trying to find some of these cars but so far no luck! IF anyone comes across a 225 powered charger with hideaway headlights and a vinyl roof let me know RIGHT AWAY!

[nakita7]

72 Rallyes came as coupe (WL) or hardtop (WH) and were available with 318, 340, 400 or 440 (rumoured to be one Sixpack one too, who knows). The fender tag code is A57 (same as Challenger), however some Rallyes (Lynch Road car) didnt have because of their vague fender tags. No, you can't tell from VIN if it's a Rallye.

I know literature proof is always good, but many times it's not correct. I know these cars very well, but new things seem to pop up now and then. I am dealing on four different 72 Rallyes right now, absolutely love these cars and love discussions about them. Let's see some pics and keep us updated!

On a side note, talking about cars that aren't supposed to be: There isn't supposed to be a 71 Challenger RT convertible, but we bought Columbo DVDset (season 1 or 2 can't remember) and there is a shot of Columbo sitting in a brand new at the time, 71 Challenger RT convertible, it was black with a white stripe. Oh well...

[ACUDANUT]

fender tag  25141 131785 661868 g36 ev2  b2 x9 tx9 a29  285473  e44 d34 w121 g2a   132879   What does this say?

[twilt]

note that the 7th didgit of your VIN is an "A",  this denotes that your car was made at Lynch Road.  As stated previously, Lynch Road did not designate the A57 for the Rallye package on their fender tags.  To sum it up.... being a Lynch Road car, you would need further documentation to "prove"  that it is a "real"  Rallye car, such as a build sheet or the original window sticker. 

[Goldfinger71]

Look everyone this should not end up being a pissing contest! Yea Iv'e seen a  few 318 Rallyes myself.One or two I could have bought but decided not too.
They also said that the 72 440 Six Pack was never made and put into a car...........there was.

[d72hemi]

They also said that the 72 440 Six Pack was never made and put into a car...........there was.

I have never seen proof of a 72 Six Pack, or 72 Hemi for that matter. I hear people talk about these cars, but I never see proof. Is there any proof out there that someone can post? I would love to see these cars!

[AKcharger]

We have a '72 rallye   

[Ghoste]

The 72 Six Pack cars have been documented.  Even the guru has blessed them.

[twilt]

According to GG`s white book, 4th version-Feb 98,  there are 2 known v code 72 chargers and 2 known v code 72 Roadrunners. I imagine that the key word there  is KNOWN, which would mean that GG has authenticated them himself. Of course there could be others that he has authenticted since then or that exist but haven`t been given his stamp of approval.   

[Ghoste]

One of the Chargers was in one of the Mopar magazines at one time IIRC.  If my memory is right, it was dark blue??
I'm pretty sure that even Chrysler admits to their existence in one of the Mopar Performance engine manuals.

[Goldfinger71]

One of the fellow members from moparts owns one of the 72 6pk Runners.
There was a thread about the car earlier this year.....
But,going back to the original topic there WERE 318 Rallyes!

[69CoronetRT]

I know that it was listed as an option on a 318 car but has anyone owned one or seen one personally?A verifiable one not just " I saw one one the net" or " a friend of a friend had one" Anyone can go to websites and quote what they read.

One in my town... '73 E44 A57

[ACUDANUT]

  Hemihead, why do you say there is no such thing as a 72 Rallye with a 318. 

[Mr_fixit]

I used to own a 318 72 rallye charger, and still have the hood to prove it. I'm still kicking myself for selling it back in 1982 for $300. If I knew then what I know now I would have kept the doors and taillights and.... Oh, hel.l, I should have kept the whole thing.....Somewhere under the black paint or primer was gun metal blue paint w black interior

[Todd Wilson]

[nakita7]

Let's see the VIN on that bad boy...

[ds440]

I'm fairly sure the above car is "72Rallye440"s car who is a member here. 

I'm 90% sure that it is NOT an original 6-pack car.  But it is an original 440 Rallye with N96 hood (which he has to continually prove to people).  He pops up around here every once in awhile - a real nice guy.

[chargerkid]

Hemihead...I have owned two 318 Rallyes in the past.

I also know where the one 72 Charger rallye six pack car is located and have seen it myself.

[41husk]

I have learned never say never, exspecialy when it comes to what ma mopar put in these old cars.

[d72hemi]

Are those 72 six pack picktures? all I see is red "X's" What do I do, what do I do?

[red72chrgr]

Doesn't the radiator look small? Maybe it's the angle of the photo?

Its a non air car, so it has a 22 inch radiator. (22 inch fan shrouds can be expensive) 

Guess I need to look closer.

[Nacho-RT74]

It looks my info has been supported with lots of testimonials

ALL YOU NEED IS FAITH... JUST BELIEVE LOL

j/k

[ACUDANUT]

  If anyones cares, I found my build sheet and it is a "U" code car.  So, yes there are 72 318 rallye Chargers out there !!!

[ralley72]

I have a 72 rallye charger. It's a Lynch road built car,so the fender tag does not show the A57 code. It has the louvered doors, louvered tail lights, power bulge hood, I had to replace due to damaged with a 73 I found, front and rear sway bars, 8 3/4 rear, P code 400 4 bbl, Hemi Orange with black halo top. I have not found the build sheet yet, but the drivers door info tag matches the VIN number. Is having the info tag on a rallye door matching the VIN enough to prove it is a rallye car?

Mike

[1958300]

The VIN does not tell you if it is a Rallye car, with two exceptions. All 340 cars were Rallyes, so an H in the VIN means it was a Rallye car. All coupes with WL21U2XXXXXXX VIN were Rallye cars, since the 440 was only available in the coupe as part of the Rallye package. Unfortunately, all other V-8 engines were available in all other models, so the VIN does not confirm that the car came with the Rallye package.

All the other things you mentioned, the bulge hood, the doors, the taillights and the rear sway bar are pretty strong evidence that your car is a Rallye, even if the VIN does not prove it.

[ACUDANUT]

 When looking at the build sheet, what section Number and code do I look for to find the Rallye Code.  ?? Thanks

[69CoronetRT]

When looking at the build sheet, what section Number and code do I look for to find the Rallye Code.  ?? Thanks

Line 7 "Combination groups " Look for A57

[cheap]

Since I am new to this board i have enjoyed the info on the 72 Rallyes...Can you all give me the lo-down on mine?? Unfortunatetly my original engine and tranny were gone when I got it 22 years ago so I just dropped in a 400 engine and 727 tranny...The rest of my car is all original,,I think....But I wouldnt want to inconvience anyone either......But I guess thats why I joined this site because of my passion for these 3rd gen chargers....

V78,, WH23,,P2g,,1553,,26,,V78,,N41,,N42,,N97,,R35,,V21,,CTD,,M08,,M21,,M25,,M31,,N23,,G36,,H51,,J25,,J52,,L31,,V4X,,U,,A57,,B41,,B51,,

G11,EV2,,S2X9,,TX9,,E68,,D34,,

I have a few ideas of the numbers,,but not all of them....Thanks to all who can help figure out what I have,,It is an original Rallye though...

[ACUDANUT]

Thanks I did find the A57 on the build sheet. You guys are right the fender tag from Lynch Road did not have this...However I have the original built sheet, so I am happy.

[72Rallye440]

Hello everyone. The Charger pictures listed above by Todd Wilson is of my 72 Rallye (nice pics Todd). The car is a real 72 Rallye 440, 4 speed, N96, TracPak (Dana 60). But the car is not a real 6 pack car in any way.

Hope everyone is doing well!

 

[chargerkid]

WOW...  I just got back from the Chrysler Classics. 

This post is getting good. 

[mikepmcs]

Since I am new to this board i have enjoyed the info on the 72 Rallyes...Can you all give me the lo-down on mine?? Unfortunatetly my original engine and tranny were gone when I got it 22 years ago so I just dropped in a 400 engine and 727 tranny...The rest of my car is all original,,I think....But I wouldnt want to inconvience anyone either......But I guess thats why I joined this site because of my passion for these 3rd gen chargers....

V78,, WH23,,P2g,,1553,,26,,V78,,N41,,N42,,N97,,R35,,V21,,CTD,,M08,,M21,,M25,,M31,,N23,,G36,,H51,,J25,,J52,,L31,,V4X,,U,,A57,,B41,,B51,,

G11,EV2,,S2X9,,TX9,,E68,,D34,,

I have a few ideas of the numbers,,but not all of them....Thanks to all who can help figure out what I have,,It is an original Rallye though...

This should help you.  I see an A57 in there as well.

http://www.mopar1.us/build.html

v/r
Mike

[cheap]

   Mikepmcs,,,,,, Thanks alot for that decoding piece,,,it was a big help..... alot of what i did have was incorrect....This is just another hurdle that gets me going.......

[chargerkid]

Keep in mind that if your fender tag doesn't have the A57.  It doesn't mean its not a rallye.  Look for other options on the tag thats parts of the package like the hood treatment, pins, and stripes.  I have owned alot of rallyes without the A57 code on the fender tag.  Oh..I am picking up two 72 Rallyes next week.

[Chris]

Hey Charger kid what did you mean by pins? You listed it right after hood treatment.

[Goldfinger71]

Chris,
Chargerkid is talking about Hood Pins..

[Chargerguy74]

pins can be ordered on flat hoods, I have a car and build sheet to prove it. I believe the 318 Rallye hoods were not drilled for callouts and only the 360 rallye cars had the "magnum" enblems.

[chargerkid]

Chargerguy74..kinda getting off the topic but what do you mean by detroit_muscle is a fraud.  Be interested to hear about that.. Can you post a new topic?  thanks

[Chris]

Thanks Goldfinger 71

I have a 72 ralley 340 with hood pins but had just assumed that they were aftermarket, thanks for the info.

[Nacho-RT74]

drill or not to drill my bulged hood to pins... thats' the question. I think that's the only stuff that rest to get a complete rallye clone

[Mr_fixit]

My 72 318 Rallye did not have hood pins

[ACUDANUT]

Hood pins are the best way not to have a hood fly open at 80 MPH.  Hiding a bunge cord is a good idea also.  It just makes it a little harder to open and close the hood.

[chargerkid]

You can put hood pins in any of the 71-4 Charger hoods.  I don't know why people would mess a good hood and place them in the wrong spot.  There is a hole in the fender and underneath each hood is a template for where the pin should go through.

[ACUDANUT]

A57 is one sweet number. 

[ACUDANUT]

Rebody a car ? 

[C_stripes]

It is illigal to sell a vin off of a car.  You can get jail time

[High Impact]

I own a 72 340 4 speed Rallye Charger.   Mine has something like 21 options if I remember right    It too is a Lynch road car but isnt coded for hide-a-ways but has them!  Did early 72's have chin spoilers?   I only ask because my front valance has holes drilled for some???

Oh,  by the way   CHARGER KID,   I still need a front drivers floor pan for that rallye    And dont forget a pair of fenders and doors

[nakita7]

I own a 72 340 4 speed Rallye Charger.   Mine has something like 21 options if I remember right    It too is a Lynch road car but isnt coded for hide-a-ways but has them!  Did early 72's have chin spoilers?   I only ask because my front valance has holes drilled for some???

Oh,  by the way   CHARGER KID,   I still need a front drivers floor pan for that rallye    And dont forget a pair of fenders and doors

My Lynch Road car has, and is coded for hideaways (L37). I would say they are added. Major options like L37, H51, N96 are usually added to even Lynch Road tags. As far as the spoiler...was told recently, unavailable in 72 and up. I would think that one would be on the tag too.

[High Impact]

My Lynch Road car has, and is coded for hideaways (L37). I would say they are added. Major options like L37, H51, N96 are usually added to even Lynch Road tags. As far as the spoiler...was told recently, unavailable in 72 and up. I would think that one would be on the tag too.

I kinda think the hide-a-ways were added too!  Along with the 71 lower front valance panel.  Who know,  Maybe my car was hit in the front or they just liked the hide-ways and chin spoilers??   

Heres one for ya:    Did 72 Chargers come with a go-wing on the trunk?     Mine has one of those too.   I think not,   but Im just curious,  Im still learning this era Charger,  Im better with the 2nd Gen Chargers!!

[nakita7]

I don't believe spoilers were an option in 72. Should have been on the Rallyes, you would think?

Do you're hideaways work? Cars with hideaways have a little different wiring harness under the hood, just wondering if the wires for the motor were added in.

[71 Bee Man]

How good is this !!!!

If I didn't know any better I'd say there is actually a huge interest in 3rd generation Chargers....does it get any better ?

Maybe it does....still after a reasonable set of R/T, 500, Super Bee or Rallye tailights (call them what you will) for my Bee
With this many 3rd gen guys online it can't hurt to throw it out there.

Peter
Sydney, Australia

[hemihead]

 I understand that the Chin Spoilers and Rear Wings were a Dealer installed option or could be bought through Mopar Parts Depts. . Therefore they wouldn't be on the Options tag but in a way, still correct.

[nakita7]

How good is this !!!!

If I didn't know any better I'd say there is actually a huge interest in 3rd generation Chargers....does it get any better ?

Maybe it does....still after a reasonable set of R/T, 500, Super Bee or Rallye tailights (call them what you will) for my Bee
With this many 3rd gen guys online it can't hurt to throw it out there.

Peter
Sydney, Australia

I bid on every set that comes up on Ebay. Just set up an automatic search, under 'searches' on the left side of your page, and it will notify you when a set comes up. I have about 15 searches set up for various specific things.

[ACUDANUT]

Anyone else have 318 Rallye Charger ?  I know I will get some boo's, but I gave away orginal 318 and put a screaming 383 in it.

[nakita7]

Anyone else have 318 Rallye Charger ?  I know I will get some boo's, but I gave away orginal 318 and put a screaming 383 in it.

I have one, oh well, what do you do? Just kidding. Not sure if throwing the 318 hurts the value, but a 383 in a 72 car? With all the Lynch Road cars (and tags) not showing the A57 anyway, it's probably not a big deal now, but clones will be all over the place in 10 years anyway, with no way to prove. Mine is a Lynch Road, with tag, red on white, bench seat Rallye. I will be changing the white to black, and putting buckets in. Not sure if the block is original, but will keep it a 318, as I am literally building a daily driver car. Still have the door decal on the original Rallye door, so she's real. Anyway you slice 'em, the 72 Charger Rallye is still the coolest Charger Chrysler made! 

[ACUDANUT]

 True, Lynch Road Fender tags do not show if it's a Rallye car, but my Buildsheet does.!!

[Chargerguy74]

If there's no A57 the next best thing would be V21.....especially if there's no build sheet.