Metallica The Video's 1989-2004 dvd just released at Target

[MorePwr]

Hey check out the spam I just got in my email..what timing.  More free stuff we can help ourselves to at the store!

[defiance]

Alternica - I mean, "Metallica" as they claim to be (though IMO that band died a long time ago), isn't worth my time or money, regardless of their stance on file sharing.  However, their stance against file sharing shows a horrific gulf between their understanding of reality and reality itself.  Further, it was the first of many steps showing this complete lack of comprehension of consumers throughout the music "INDUSTRY".  Radio and recording companies have both gone entirely corporate to the point of creating bands that fit cookie-cutter market segments (or, case in point, molding a good band to fill such a segment) - which, of course, is a great way to make money- and real ART, real MUSIC, rarely sees the light of day.  Napster and the other file sharing apps that followed were NOT a sign of rampant lack of ethics among consumers, they were a RESPONSE to the lack of music being played on the radio, coupled with the INSANE skyrocketing of CD prices.  So, you pay $20 for a CD that you've probably heard one song from.  Surprise, the rest is crap.  Meanwhile, a select few recording artists (not necessarily by any means the good ones) are getting paid, others (definitely not necessarily the bad ones) are going bankrupt, and the only people making REAL money are the Recording industry execs - which, of course, then turn that money around to market Britney Spears and other such drivel.

I, and I'd bet a HUGE segment of other people, did NOT stop - or even slow- my purchasing of CDs when I started file sharing.  I bought just as many as before, I just did it knowing what I was getting for a change.

However, since I was forced to stop file sharing, I've slowed down DRAMATICALLY.  I know good music is still out there, but I don't hear it on the radio; all they play is pop crap.  And I'm not willing to pay that much for what I am fairly certain will be crap, given the current trend (though I have found a couple good bands from friends).

The record companies want to blame dwindling sales on file sharing, but they need to look at the crap they're shoveling out on consumers if they want a good answer.

In short, people need some method of knowing that what they're buying isn't crap.  As long as the companies cannot provide this, their sales will continue to drop like a rock.

[MorePwr]

Listen before you buy. what a concept.


http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=1040807&title=...And+Justice+For+All&artist=Metallica

[defiance]

LOL - a 30 second sample of a song is often not at all representative of the whole song.  I'm certainly not buying a friggin' $20 album based on a few 30-second samples.  The record companies won't get a CENT of my money until they learn to evolve with technology.  Oh, and drop the ridiculous prices, too.  Learn to distribute digitally the RIGHT way.  iTunes is a step in the right direction, but it still has a long way to go...  and I'll bet the recording industry put Apple through 9 kinds of hades to even get started.
Besides, I'd guess 20 cents of every dollar I spend on a CD goes to fund the record companies' never-ending push of crap music.  How can I support that and sleep at night??

[MorePwr]

30 seconds of an average, what 4 minute song. seems pretty reasonable to me when compared to similar copyable entertainment media. movie trailers give you a couple of minutes out of 90. videogames, one level out of ten or fifteen. books maybe a 10 page summary out of 400.

All of those examples are going to cost more than a music CD. And you'll also have to weed through the crap with all of them.

Heck I could do this all day! My new truck, I think I put 50 miles on it, on the test drive. And that's a long test drive. I expect to drive it fo 80,000 miles or more. I didn't to get to test it to its full potential like pulling a trailer or driving it in 4 wheel drive in the snow. etc. I only got to Sample it.

And about file sharing. nothing has really changed. before file sharing days. you could copy music and share it with your friends, and you still can. no one is going to hunt you down for making a couple copy's.
I suppose you can still file share too, but I choose not to, for the same reasons I don't steal other things.

[defiance]

Yes, it has changed - there are dramatically fewer independent radio stations out there, and the radio stations that exist tend to play whatever's being marketed by the record companies, which in turn are marketing their cash cows.  Great way to do business.  Bad for actual music being heard.  At one point about 10-15 years ago, I could listen to several radio stations in my area with multiple different genres represented.  Now, I've primarily got two: pop/r&b and country.  There are exceptions like the 'oldies' station, but for any new music, it's all the two cash cows.  So yes, it has changed - a LOT. 

People who say taking music from online and refusing to buy it are absolutely correct, and I won't argue with that.

But people who say file sharing music is always bad based on that fact haven't bothered to consider all aspects of the situation. 

I've got probably 50-100 songs from some of my favorite artists that DO NOT EXIST in any purchaseable form.  That would never happen without file sharing.  That's not stealing, since there is no-one harmed by my using it, and I'd be happy to pay for it if it were for sale.

I've got music that I would have been happy to purchase, but for one reason or another, record companies have seen fit to cease production on the cd's or singles.  Never without file sharing.  By software definition, which the recording companies repeatedly refer to, this is abandonware, and thus public domain.

I've got hundreds of songs that I own the CD's, but they're too scratched to read (some of them are 10-15 or more years old).  According to the record companies, when I buy a U.S. law, when I buy a CD, I have the right to use that information, so this is completely legal and ethical ownership that no record company would ever allow if they had their say.

I've got countless songs that I downloaded first, listened to, decided I liked, so I bought the CD's.  Emperical evidence has REPEATEDLY shown that this is actually more common than people downloading stuff and stealing.

No, file sharing is not stealing things.  File sharing is a means by which some people can steal things.

So is a rifle.  Heck, so is the trunk of my charger.  Well, maybe not right now, since it's immobile...  but that's not the point

[MorePwr]

(Quote) "I've got countless songs that I downloaded first, listened to, decided I liked, so I bought the CD's"

Why? don't you have a burner?

(Quote) "No, file sharing is not stealing things.  File sharing is a means by which some people can steal things."

Yes, I'm familiar with the argument the file sharing service providers are using. and the technicalities they hide behind. ah..Bullshit! spray any cologne on it you want it's still just Bullshit.

[defiance]

No, I have a nice burner; I can toast a whole CD in just a couple of minutes.  I've already answered your underlying question, though; read the previous post.  File sharing can be used to steal, just as many other wonderful things (including our cars) can be used to steal.  That does not mean they can ONLY be used to steal, and that CERTAINLY does not mean it is, by nature, a bad thing.  As noted, I used file sharing to determine whether the songs on the album were worth buying prior to spending the insane cost of the CD's.  If I'm going to overpay, then I'm going to know what I'm overpaying for first.

[defiance]

Yes, I'm familiar with the argument the file sharing service providers are using. and the technicalities they hide behind. ah..Bullshit! spray any cologne on it you want it's still just Bullshit.

Bravo, great argument, you've certainly disproven my point there!

[MorePwr]

No, I have a nice burner; I can toast a whole CD in just a couple of minutes.  I've already answered your underlying question, though; read the previous post. 

Maybe you're taking my posts a little too personally..

My point is:  when a guy can get his music on line for free and burns a copy of it to do with as he chooses. then why would he go and purchase it? I'm not really interested in what makes you or the rest of the minority such honest folks. just what makes you think my 16 year old nephew and the millions of kids like him, are so darned honest. these kids aren't asking for cd's at Christmas they're asking for faster burners and internet connections.

I'm not saying that youngster are the only ones that prefer to get things for free. just an example.

It is unfortunate that the few have to be punished because of the many, but that's just the way it is. payed for insurance lately?

[defiance]

Hm...  The statistics I've seen indicate that people who continue to buy CD's even though they file share are not the minority... But now I can't find them...  Which, of course, makes them worthless as a reference

Well, in any case, maybe things are looking up...  The record companies recently indicated a willingness to deal with youtube on this sort of issue, internet radio (i.e. pandora) is starting to pick up, services like iTunes are beginning to distribute songs a little better, etc...  So maybe the music industry is finally responding...

I still say that they waited, what, 8 years? before finally evolving to the changes, and the "minority" I belong to suffered the consequences of their bullheaded approach.  In business, if you don't evolve to technological changes, you're doomed to failure, so I still say the record companies deserve a lot more loss than they've suffered.  Further, because they considered my segment insignificant enough to completely alienate me, I consider them offensive enough that I will never support a member of the RIAA again if I can help it...  At least, not until they make a great deal of effort to fix the problems they've helped fester.  And I bought CD's all the way up to a year or so ago (last CD I bought was "With Teeth" (NIN), which, of course, I downloaded first); it's only the END of file sharing that has made me stop.

There's MUCH more discussion I could give on this, but I actually just came in to state my disappointment with the band on matters having nothing to do with file sharing (like sucking since load - one of the CD's that I bought- it helped convince me that I needed to know what I was getting before I paid- for example ), but I tripped on a pet peeve

[MorePwr]

check out this link. 5 pages, but interesting

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/file-sharing.htm

[AJ1966]

I wish they would release a REMIX/REMASTER OF JUSTICE FOR ALL.


Not that they will, because they make so much money as it is, but Justice has the worst mixing ever.  The album would have so much new life if they remixed the bass and such.....

[uskatebetter]

yeah Justice did have pretty bad mixing they probably should remix it and boost the bass...hell I'd buy it.
I think all their albums with Cliff deserve to have the bass brought out more, because that man was one HELL of a bassplayer

[4cruzin]

WOW all this because someone suggested a video . . . 

[BMOTOXSTAR]

I wish they would release a REMIX/REMASTER OF JUSTICE FOR ALL.


Not that they will, because they make so much money as it is, but Justice has the worst mixing ever.  The album would have so much new life if they remixed the bass and such.....

Yeah but the drums sound sweet on JUSTICE. The double bass sounds sick. You have to turn the bass down even on a system that can handle bass. The double bass on "One" is what defined mainstream metal drumming back then. Yeah you also had Lombardo and Slayer at the same time, but the drum sound on JUSTICE is just killer.
BMOTOXSTAR#079

[Manfred318]

I wish they would release a REMIX/REMASTER OF JUSTICE FOR ALL.


Not that they will, because they make so much money as it is, but Justice has the worst mixing ever.  The album would have so much new life if they remixed the bass and such.....

Yeah but the drums sound sweet on JUSTICE. The double bass sounds sick. You have to turn the bass down even on a system that can handle bass. The double bass on "One" is what defined mainstream metal drumming back then. Yeah you also had Lombardo and Slayer at the same time, but the drum sound on JUSTICE is just killer.
BMOTOXSTAR#079

[Dodge440Coronut]

I wish they would release a REMIX/REMASTER OF JUSTICE FOR ALL.


Not that they will, because they make so much money as it is, but Justice has the worst mixing ever.  The album would have so much new life if they remixed the bass and such.....

Yeah but the drums sound sweet on JUSTICE. The double bass sounds sick. You have to turn the bass down even on a system that can handle bass. The double bass on "One" is what defined mainstream metal drumming back then. Yeah you also had Lombardo and Slayer at the same time, but the drum sound on JUSTICE is just killer.
BMOTOXSTAR#079

Two words.... Dyers Eve