fender tag

[69 rt]

Hi,

I need a fender tag, can they be legally remanufactured if I have the build sheet, and who do I contact to have this made?

Thanks
69 rt

[Ghoste]

Yes they can and Tags Back East (I think that is their name) are one of the places that do it.  Galen Govier provides this service but Galen charges you a fee to send it to someone else to make.  John Paseman at US Car Tool also does this middleman service and he charges less than Galen and he uses the same place that Galen does and he is a Charger fan besides.
www.datatags.com
www.uscartool.com

[69 rt]

Thanks for the info Ghoste I will be checking these guys out.

69 rt

[hemigeno]

Most of the repro tag services will not come up with the list of codes to be on your tag.  If you want to skip the middleman fees, you can post your Broadcast Sheet here and I'm sure that collectively we can come up with what your original tag would have read.  I'm certain that either myself or Chris (Just 6T9 Chgr) can help out.

If you're uncomfortable posting your whole sheet, you can either email it to Chris or myself, or block out the VIN (but don't forget to add it to your tag order!)


Geno

[69 rt]

Thanks,

Here it is I hope you can read it, let me know where I go from here. I appreciate it

69 rt

[69 rt]

A close up, hope it helps

69 rt

[69 rt]

A couple more shots. I tried scanning but the file becomes too large to post.

69 rt

[hemigeno]

69 rt,

Below is what I came up with what your fender tag would have shown. 

* END                           *
M31 N88 R11 V1X V88 Y14
B51 C16 C55 H31 J25 M21
     Q5 C5X X9 328 1??442
E86 D32 XS29 L9B 337166


A couple of caveats that perhaps Chris or some other very knowledgeable folks can correct me on:

>>  I don't know if H31 (rear defroster) would show up on the fender tag.  Some options are coded on both, some are only on the B-cast sheet.  An example of this is S77 Power Steering - always on the B-cast sheet, never on the Fender Tag.
>>  I don't know if N88 (Cruise Control) would show up on the fender tag.  (See above)
>>  I'm not sure if Y14 (Sold Car) shows up on the Fender Tag or not.

A couple of other items:
>>  I couldn't read the full Vehicle Order Number.  That is on the first line, and is just to the right of the build date - which for your car is 328.  You can just fill in the correct numbers on your Fender Tag order sheet.
>>  I am 99% sure that Hamtramck was coding the ending characters as END at that time.  Just a month or so later they went to EN2, but I think your car is before the change.
>>  I didn't see any "A" (Combination Groups), "G" (Glass-Mirrors), "L" (Lights and Switches), or "P" (Power Items).

You have a very cool combination for a car...  Q5 Turquoise, Stripe Delete (meaning it has the quarterpanel "R/T" badges), Black Top & Interior, Cloth inserts on the bucket seats (gotta be a rare option!), P/S, P/B, Cruise Control, Redlines and 14" steelies with dog dish hubcaps...    

Hope this helps you out a little bit!!!

Geno

P.S.  I'm going to move this topic over to the General Q&A forum, since the guys I'm hoping will chime in (69CoronetRT, John Kunkel, et al) usually check that board.  Just_6T9_Chgr is everywhere...   

[Chris G.]

>>  I don't know if H31 (rear defroster) would show up on the fender tag.  Some options are coded on both, some are only on the B-cast sheet.  An example of this is S77 Power Steering - always on the B-cast sheet, never on the Fender Tag.
>>  I don't know if N88 (Cruise Control) would show up on the fender tag.  (See above)
>>  I'm not sure if Y14 (Sold Car) shows up on the Fender Tag or not.

I'm not the greatest with Hamtramck cars, but I'm almost positive "Rear Defogger" (H31) will not show up on the tag, and also "Sold Car" (Y14) also will not. N88 Cruise Control is definitely on there.

I'd say Geno's layout is pretty close minus the H31 and Y14. 

[69 rt]

Thanks guys,

This is the car restored, matching numbers and the correct color. I added the stripe just because I like it. and I have the original rearend but added a strange with 373 gears

69 rt

[hemi68charger]

Man, great looking '69 !!!!

[69CoronetRT]

>>  I don't know if H31 (rear defroster) would show up on the fender tag.  Some options are coded on both, some are only on the B-cast sheet.  An example of this is S77 Power Steering - always on the B-cast sheet, never on the Fender Tag.
>>  I don't know if N88 (Cruise Control) would show up on the fender tag.  (See above)
>>  I'm not sure if Y14 (Sold Car) shows up on the Fender Tag or not.

I'm not the greatest with Hamtramck cars, but I'm almost positive "Rear Defogger" (H31) will not show up on the tag, and also "Sold Car" (Y14) also will not. N88 Cruise Control is definitely on there.

I'd say Geno's layout is pretty close minus the H31 and Y14. 

I'm more familiar with the 69 STL plant but from the 69 Hamtramck tags I have seen.... with Chris

[hemigeno]

Sounds like the consensus opinion is that your tag should look like this:


*                                 *
N88 R11 V1X V88 END
B51 C16 C55 J25 M21 M31
     Q5 C5X X9 328 1??442
E86 D32 XS29 L9B 337166



I've actually considered getting a couple of repro tags and stashing my originals in a safe deposit box somewhere - although I've always been puzzled by why someone would steal a Fender Tag at a car show.  Apart from the novelty of having a rare car's tag or trying to blackmail the owner, what could you do with it??

Sorry for the hijack...  let us know how your tag turns out!

[Plumcrazy]

I've found this place that makes Mopar tags. www.trimtags.com

Any other sources?

[Chris G.]

I've found this place that makes Mopar tags. www.trimtags.com

Any other sources?

I think A.G. Backeast is the guy Galen uses. http://www.datatags.com/

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I agree with all that was posted above.   That tag layout looks correct to me.

C5X is a pretty rare option.

[motorhead]

Here's what they look like when you get the tag in the mail. I got one for mine , it was missing from the car when I got it.

[Chris G.]

Here's what they look like when you get the tag in the mail. I got one for mine , it was missing from the car when I got it.

How does it work? Do you just tell them what codes you want to appear on the tag?

[69 rt]

I contacted Tags Back East and was informed they could make the tag, and that I should give them a line by line of what I want on the tag. Seems like it would be a lot more accurate if there was a fill in type form.

[motorhead]

Yes chris,you let him know what you want on the tag and he'll put it on there for you.It's a cheaper service if you already know the codes ($60 if you do $100 if you don't and he has to look them up) I put mine back the way it was originally with the exception of magnum 500 wheels and redline tires. My car was originally 14 in. with hub caps which I still have.

[hemi-hampton]

Thought I was told somewhere that the Q5 Turquoise was never a color option on the Charger??? LEON.

[69CoronetRT]

Thought I was told somewhere that the Q5 Turquoise was never a color option on the Charger??? LEON.

Q5 is OK but Q4 is not.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Thought I was told somewhere that the Q5 Turquoise was never a color option on the Charger??? LEON.

Q5 is OK but Q4 is not.

Ahh...the old Q4 Charger tag...almost got the fake tag right
Nice looking color though although incorrect for a 69 Charger

[69CoronetRT]

Thought I was told somewhere that the Q5 Turquoise was never a color option on the Charger??? LEON.

Q5 is OK but Q4 is not.

Ahh...the old Q4 Charger tag...almost got the fake tag right
Nice looking color though although incorrect for a 69 Charger

Hey!...I remember that pic.

It is a nice color. It just was not available on a 69 Charger.

[69_500]

Hey I know this is late and all, but this is the first day I've seen this thread.

You guys came to the concensus on the tag, but I was wondering about a few things.

Just by going by 500 tags, as I have those on hand, but I would think it would read as follows.

*                                 *
M31 N88 R11 V1X V88 END
B41 B51 C16 C55  J25 M21
Q5  Q5 C5X X9 328 1??442
E86 D32 XS29 L9B 337166

That is just me though. I've seen many tags list the B41 and the B51 option. However there are some that just list the B51. And then there are some that list the color 2 time at on the second line, and others that just have it once. Kind of odd to see an R/T without a 26" radiator. Beautiful color combination though.

[hemigeno]

*                                 *
M31 N88 R11 V1X V88 END
B41 B51 C16 C55  J25 M21
Q5  Q5 C5X X9 328 1??442
E86 D32 XS29 L9B 337166

That is just me though. I've seen many tags list the B41 and the B51 option. However there are some that just list the B51. And then there are some that list the color 2 time at on the second line, and others that just have it once. Kind of odd to see an R/T without a 26" radiator. Beautiful color combination though.

I did not see B41 coded on the sheet, but I could be mistaken.  If B51 is coded by itself, it just means Power Drum Brakes.  B41 & B51 together is Power Disc Brakes.  Again, I may not have read the sheet correctly - but the reason I left B41 off was because I personally did not think it was on the B-cast sheet.

The "Q5 Q5" question is a little more tricky.  On Hamtramck cars, they only seemed to stamp the color code on Vinyl Top cars' Fender Tags once - even though the color shows up twice on the Broadcast Sheet.  The first spot on the second row of the Fender Tag was supposedly for Roof/Accent color, and the second for Body Color.  At least that has been what I have seen.  '69 C500's and Daytonas will all have the color listed twice, since none of them were built with a Vinyl Top. 

Each plant did thing in this regard just a little differently.  69CoronetRT is "Da Man" when it comes to St. Louis tags, and maybe Barry Washington can chime in sometime and give the official opinion on Hamtramck Fender Tag paint codes.  Lynch Road is just an oddball all the way around - I won't even start on that one...

You're right, it is odd to see an R/T without a 26" radiator.  That pretty much tells you that the car had a 3.23 gear rear end, no A/C and no trailer tow packages or other options requiring the Medium or Maximum Cooling packages.

It is a great looking combo though, and I'd love to see what those cloth insert seats look like sometime in person.  Gotta be better in the summertime than black vinyl!   

[69CoronetRT]

Hey I know this is late and all, but this is the first day I've seen this thread.

You guys came to the concensus on the tag, but I was wondering about a few things.

Just by going by 500 tags, as I have those on hand, but I would think it would read as follows.

*                                 *
M31 N88 R11 V1X V88 END
B41 B51 C16 C55  J25 M21
Q5  Q5 C5X X9 328 1??442
E86 D32 XS29 L9B 337166

That is just me though. I've seen many tags list the B41 and the B51 option. However there are some that just list the B51. And then there are some that list the color 2 time at on the second line, and others that just have it once. Kind of odd to see an R/T without a 26" radiator. Beautiful color combination though.

69 STL did not code B41 but Hamtramck did. That could be one reason why some tags show it and some tags don't. That's also one way to tell a fake or remade tag.

[69CoronetRT]

*                                 *
M31 N88 R11 V1X V88 END
B41 B51 C16 C55  J25 M21
Q5  Q5 C5X X9 328 1??442
E86 D32 XS29 L9B 337166

That is just me though. I've seen many tags list the B41 and the B51 option. However there are some that just list the B51. And then there are some that list the color 2 time at on the second line, and others that just have it once. Kind of odd to see an R/T without a 26" radiator. Beautiful color combination though.

I did not see B41 coded on the sheet, but I could be mistaken. 

I see B31 (HD 11" Drum) and B51 on the sheet meaning power drum brakes.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I also agree with geno about the double body colors on a Hamtramck tag.....would only be there if there was no vinyl roof coded.

STL tags coded the body color twice regardless if it has a v/roof or not.

His tag should have 1 color stamped due to the V1X & it being a Hamtramck car.....

[69 rt]

I ordered the tag and it will only have the color stamped once, glad we had it right. Nice to be able to hash it out and come to a good conclusion. If I find out that I missed something , at least I know where to go to get another.

Thanks again for all your help.

[Manfred318]

I know this will sound kinda dumb, but would it be possible to get a tag made if I have dont already have one or the build sheet. My tag was "lost" when I had my car repainted, and the build sheet was accidently destroyed by my old man when we moved last year. I tried to salvage it but it was in too many pieces

[Ghoste]

Not dumb and not hard.  Thats the down side to the repro tags, it is pretty much left to the honesty of the person purchasing the tag.  They'll put whatever you want on it.
As a side note, since I am one who often criticizes the "guru", I will openly applaud the fact that if you go through him, he won't process the order unless you can prove what was supposed to be on the tag.

[Manfred318]

OK thanks for that info. I want go get one original as possible, could some of you guys help me out with the option codes that go on the tag?
The car is a plain Jane car no real options, vinyl top, buckets, 318, auto on column, hubcaps, am radio with front speaker only. I know the paint code is JJ1, and the Vin is XP29F8B285974 if that helps at all. I can also post some pics of the car tomorrow if that would help too.
Thanks for the help,
--John

[MM1R/T]

'68 tags are pretty straightforward. There's not nearly as much info on them as on '69 and up tags.

The best resource for '68 tags that I've found is www.andy440.com. There's a breakdown of all the codes there.

The only two numbers you won't be able to get off of his site are your SON, located on the core support and trunk weatherstrip lip on your car, and your scheduled production date.

The SPD will have to be an educated "guesstimate", since there's no way to tell exactly what it was without the original tag or buildsheet.

About all you can do to come up with a plausible SPD is to see what's on cars with VIN's near yours.

I've been collecting '68 Hamtramck VIN/SPD combo's and the ones I have near yours are as follows:

XS29L8B279312  SPD-205
XP28G8B282356  SPD-207
BH23B8B288899  SPD-216
LP27F8B289364   SPD-215

As you can see, there is no direct correlation between VIN and SPD. Cars with lower VIN's sometimes have later SPD's.

If I were you, I'd do a google search for "1968 calendar", pick a weekday around February 9th or 10th, and go with that. It's unlikely that it will be exactly what was on the original tag, but it will be close enough that no one could positively say that it was wrong.

[Manfred318]

Thanks alot for that info MM1R/T .

[69_500]

My mistake, I saw the B31 and thought B41, so my mistake on that one.

I wasn't for sure on the whole V1X and whether or not vinyl roof cars had the body color listed twice. Hmmmm, makes me wonder now then I'll have to go back through some of my fender tags for 500's. I recall at least 2 where the body color wasn't listed 2 times.