PILLAR MOULDINGS DAYTONA

[daytonalo]

Can anyone give me the measurements on the a stainless pillar mouldings, length, with , is the bottom and top rolled over , is the windshield side rolled over or does it just dive into the widow gasket ? any help would be greatly appreciated .Im making my own, ACHMED

[nascarxx29]

Erik 612-382-4723 i think there about $500.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,12022.0.html

[daytonalo]

I have thin gauge stainlessand a brake, I will  make them then I will post a pix . I hope you will critique them for me when complete , thank you , Achmed

[daytonalo]

I have the dimensions , can someone please tell me if the ends are rolled over , I could really use a close up of the a-pillar

[dads_69]

Larry, if you have a stainless brake. Do you plan on making any more for us cloners? $500.00. Damn, that seems a but high for something none stock. But then again, whats cheap about our mopars we're building.
Mark

[Ghoste]

Will this help?

[Ghoste]

And a little closer.  This is an unrestored car btw.

[daytonalo]

Those photos are a great help .It would be greatly appreciated if you could supply very close-ups of all 4 sides , I need to know if the top, bottom and glass side are rolled over or just bent @ 90 degrees

[hemigeno]

Try these out... 

[daytonalo]

Again , thank you GENE, sorry to be a pest but what are the measurements on the flanges and where do those tabs on the front edge fasten to ?

[daytonalo]

Gene , those tabs , do they just slip in between gaskit and pillar ? I don't see how they can be screwed in place with the windshield and gaskit in place .I doubt that creative pulled the glass to install , I could be wrong , what do you think ? Larry

[Ghoste]

Was front and rear glass installed when the cars arrived at Creative?  (knowing they'd have to pull the back anyway and time being of the essence, they may have skipped that step on the line at Dodge Main?)

[daytonalo]

You might be correct

[nascarxx29]

The only difference between the daytona apillars which have hidden screws & going into the windshield gasket.And superbird ones and the way they are screwed on

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e67/75414/birdpillars.jpg

[Ghoste]

So if they were screwed down, do you know if they knocked the windshield out during the conversion or arrived without one?

[nascarxx29]

It looks like the went throught the gasket.Then had some type of putty to hide the screw heads.As they rushed to get these cars out .Pulling the glass would have been more and double the work.When you pushing out cars in time to get them qualified

[daytonalo]

I am aware of the visible screws on s-b , I need to know if the inside tabs have screws or are they just sandwiched between gasket and body . Has anyone out there ever removed a pair or installed a pair with the glass installed ?

[daytonalo]

Its impossible for the screws to go thru th gasket , because of the type of locking rubber utilized by Chrysler in that era . It may have been screwed in then the gaskit may have been reinstalled.

[nascarxx29]

You cant get the top bottom or side pieces of chrome off with them on.

[Ghoste]

Well the time factor is why I was wondering if they just left the front and rear glass out before shipping them to the subcontractor.

[daytonalo]

your daytona was the only one that I have seen that had butyl sealent gobbed along the pillar stainless, Maybe the car had a ws installed and the glass co couldn't figure out how to get them off.I installed auto glass for 5 years and I know how it is when new models come , you just had to wing it !

[nascarxx29]

They were a 69 charger RT and sat outside before conversion.They needed to be runable and water tight .Pictures are on the warrior page .My 440 daytona had evidence of glue being on the regular charger back window opening.Before back window conversion

http://aerowarriors.com/afct.html

[daytonalo]

Thats because they cover over the top and bottom mouldings . Has anyone ever installed a pair with glass installed ?

[nascarxx29]

My car had the original penstar logo found in center of the glass.Windshield was never out.And back glass had the 696 .Which deciphers 6 of 1969 .For a car with a 606 build date

[Ghoste]

You're sure that Chrysler didn't ship a stack of windshields over?  Come to think of it, on a related note, does the rear glass have a Pentastar?

[daytonalo]

that may be true . If anyone has ever really studied how the glass sits in gaskit and the how the gaskit itself has locking rubber incorporated in its design, its pretty clear that there is no way to access the screws. Again I think that the tabs on the gaskit side were not screwed in , just sandwiched between gaskit and body

[nascarxx29]

?  I remember seeing the front windshield logo.The back not sure I was interested in seeing the cars build date and glass code.I have this copy of a conversion list used by creative industries in numbered process order .What conversion to be done to the 69 charger to become a daytona.I have to find it but dont recall it outlining windshield removal.Out of steps taken of conversion.I have one for the superbird somewhere with much more working details

[nascarxx29]

[nascarxx29]

[daytonalo]

Well that cleared up the confusion on my end

[Ghoste]

Please don't take me for trying to be a jackass, but the first sheet isn't really a process checkoff but a safety check buyoff.  For example, the list doesn't show "add nose cone" or "install wing".  The second one seems to be a process sheet but it starts at item #25.

[daytonalo]

No way , after a overwhelming show of hands ,I was voted the only jack -ass here . There is no room for two , sorry !!!!!!!!!!!

[nascarxx29]

Thats not the say its the all end all to all work required .Only document I have .The one I have for the superbird is more explicit.Didnt find anything else pertainng to subject in these documents

http://aerowarriors.com/cda.html

[nascarxx29]

Found the other page of the creative worklist.Take note to number item #6 on this last page I turned up

[Ghoste]

Cool!  Thanks a bunch and that certainly seems to help with my question since it lists the back glass individually.
So, back to how they installed A pillar mouldings?

[hemigeno]

I don't have a lot of time at the moment, but I'll quickly chime in.

The mouldings were screwed to the A pillar on both the gasket side and the driprail side.  They stuck the moulding tabs in between the lock strip and the main gasket, and ran screws through the gasket into the A pillar.  I have the screw holes on my A Pillar that evidence this very fact.

Daytonas were SUPPOSED to have the nasty-looking sealant that was seen on Dave's car.  Well, they weren't supposed to make it nasty looking, but that was how they sealed the windshield gasket up after messing with it for the A Pillar trim.

More tomorrow, including pictures of my car's A pillar with no gasket or windshield installed...

Geno

P.S.  Creative got the cars with the windshield and rear glass installed.  CI made no attempt to carefully remove the back glass, they just broke it out and most times there are glass fragments from this breakage still in the car in the package tray area.  There have been several instances of this noted on unrestored cars (mine included).  They didn't have to remove the windshield, so those were Hamtramck-installed.

[daytonalo]

Thank you ,   I follow you but have a question. Were the tabs inserted in the middle of the lock strip or between the lock rubber and gasket. Are you sure that screws were right up against the glass or were there just holes drilled in the gaskit to have access to the screws with a screw driver ? I have a measurement of 22 1/8 x 2 1/2 not including the 90 degree bends , is this correct and what are the measurement's on the bent edges ?  Larry

[daytonalo]

I made some phone calls and the conclusion I came up with is , the reason superbird pillar stainless has two holes on the front side was for the ease of installation campared to daytona stainless because of the mounting screws on gaskit side .

[nascarxx29]

The superbird engineers took lessons from the daytona engineers short comings.They improved on the nose to body fender seals..And as you say screwed on the pillars from the front.Most likely to ease production.As more numbers cars had to be built.As compared to the daytonaThrew on a $37 vinyl roof on superbirds to eliminate smoothing out the rear window plug. .And all superbirds had PS and Disc brakes.And added the runner logo to the wing uprights.Where the daytona had nothing on the uprights.Different colors and engine choices for the superbird

[nascarxx29]

We couldnt bring ourselves to hack up the superbird parts cars a-pillars for the superbird convertible.I had thought maybe the top of windshield stainless trim from a conv .Might be close from being already concave to modify.These are available in fiberglass to get chromed.If we decided to add the only missing detail.What the after market need to be supplying is backwindow trim for the wingcars.You can get the backwindow .But the original backwindow trim pieces are pricey.Sold a set for a superbird couple years ago guy offered $1500.00 and they went .What would they be worth nowadays

[daytonalo]

I will have them done shortly , they will not have the tabs on the gaskit side , They will be kind of sprung into place and then screws on the back side of pillar will hold them in place . I will keep you updated . Larry

[nascarxx29]

? Is this for real or scam .Seller has no actual pictures of parts for sale

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MoPar-1970-Plymouth-Superbird-A-pillar-windshield-trim_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ140708QQhashZitem150057801064QQihZ005QQitemZ150057801064QQrdZ1

[69_500]

I can tell you this much, I haven't seen too many unrestored cars that don't have the gobbed up goo next to the A pillar mouldings. Other than the car that Ghoste posted a picture of I can't think of any. Most of them you can clearly see fingerprints in the goo too.

[nascarxx29]

Mine had fingerprints in the sealer

[Ghoste]

That picture was from 110610 so there may have been extra care given to it knowing it was a press fleet car?

[69_500]

I'll check out the next car in line in a few weekends, and see if it is sloppy or neat as well.

[Chris G.]

I can tell you this much, I haven't seen too many unrestored cars that don't have the gobbed up goo next to the A pillar mouldings. Other than the car that Ghoste posted a picture of I can't think of any. Most of them you can clearly see fingerprints in the goo too.

Danny, you bring up a good point. I am pretty sure Vance did the Daytona in Jersey for Chris Sauer (or Sawyer), and there is goobs of sloppy stuff all the way up the pillars. He did it intentionally, which was very refreshing. I think the car has sold, and I'll bet Dave drops in to let us know what happened to it. 

[nascarxx29]

Yes Vance did Chris Sauers daytona

[69_500]

Looks like a very nice example of a wing car. Definately a nice car.

[daytonalo]

I live in NJ where front tags are mandatory , that said I never run front tags on anything classic , never mind a daytona . Man does that look like poopy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chris G.]

I live in NJ where front tags are mandatory , that said I never run front tags on anything classic , never mind a daytona . Man does that look like poopy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't need to run a front plate on anything with a "QQ" plate in Jersey.

[daytonalo]

Legally yes , its required, that said I never do , its ugly .Anyone with any taste will agree that a daytona or s-bird looks like crap with a front plate

[Chris G.]

Legally yes , its required,

Legally NO, it is NOT required. Go look it up if you want.

And yes, I do agree a plate on the front of a wing car looks bad.

Historic vehicles
General inspections are not required for historic or collector vehicles. To be classified as a "historic vehicle" it must be:
At least 25 years old
Used only for exhibition purposes or manufactured before 1945
Specially registered with a QQ plate displayed on the rear of the vehicle

[daytonalo]

wow, so why have they given me two tags at dmv for the last 15 years, I have a local cop who hangs out at my shop and in NJ,NJ,NJ,NJ it must have two tags , which I never do anyway

[Chris G.]

wow, so why have they given me two tags at dmv for the last 15 years,

They give you 2 plates so you have the option of putting it on the front (like the owner of that Daytona did).

I have a local cop who hangs out at my shop and in NJ,NJ,NJ,NJ it must have two tags , which I never do anyway

Your cop is wrong.

[daytonalo]

With that , I will put the other tag on another vehicle

[Chris G.]

With that , I will put the other tag on another vehicle

Funny thing is, nobody would even care. Just don't get in a wreck or pulled over.

[nascarxx29]

They dont seem enforce the 2 plate rule never been pulled over for it in NJ.But its on the superbird where you have to drill holes in the top of the nose I never liked to do and how that looks. If your were using the #3412652 daytona superbird bracket available in repo form. Same bracket Pictured on Chris Sauers daytona.I had to use a copy of that bracket to mount a front plate on my friends MD daytona.But used nylon mounting hardware to nose.Better to snap bolts .Then damage nose on low clearances.I got a picture of a superbird wearing the plate where it was required.it was on my friends superbird he bought in NJ 1973

[Chris G.]

They dont seem enforce the 2 plate rule

Ughhh, It's almost as if Dave and Daytonalo are the same person...hmmm... 

I'm done here. Let's try and get this thread back on track.

[nascarxx29]

This is how the factory intended it to be done on the superbird what do you think.Even if is off subject Chris.As for the daytonlo since you askd the ?  and made the remark nope its not my alter ego.It a guy who was building a clone daytona in my area .With a 70 charger I told him about in the paper .And I was generous enough to allow full access to my original car.To study wingcar related detail on and access to my archive materails and located and provided parts from my stock .As he never owned one.And drove in my friends from MD real one

[Chris G.]

This is how the factory intended it to be done on the superbird what do you think.

Yes Dave, obviously back in the day you needed 2 plates. Heck, even today you need two plates if you register it as a regular car. Now this is where you need to pay close attention... If you have "QQ" plates, you do not need to put a plate on the front of the car. Do you understand what I am typing? Please say yes.

[nascarxx29]

I agree but it seems I see a picture you posted with chris sauers daytona wearing a front plate that is a qq plate.That is on a daytona.Which as you say it not required.Which in and this is my opinion.That on a daytona  it doesnt look all that bad.Again this is my opinion the superbird one is not pretty wearing a front plate

[Chris G.]

I agree but it seems I see a picture you posted with chris sauers daytona wearing a front plate that is a qq plate.That is on a daytona.Which as you say it not required.

If it makes you feel better, would you like me to post a picture of my car without the front plate? How about John's Daytona without the front plate? I have more if you want? The Daytona picture I posted has a plate, yes. That doesn't mean he was required to have it, it just means he felt like putting it on the car. I posted on page 2, a direct copy of what the DMV says is required by law.

Why are you so stubborn about EVERYTHING posted on this board? The question was, "Do you need a front plate on a QQ car?", and I answered it. It's over, why push the issue? 

[nascarxx29]

Hey its just my opinion .Of the 2 wingcars styling cues .which one I like and dislike nothing more nothing less.In response to daytonlo statement that I would never put a front plate on a classic as it look and I quote poopy



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I live in NJ where front tags are mandatory , {{{{{{{{{{{that said I never run front tags on anything classic , never mind a daytona}}} . Man does that look like poopy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!








Legally yes , its required, that said I never do , its ugly .{{{{{{{{Anyone with any taste will agree that a daytona or s-bird looks like crap with a front plate}]

[PocketThunder]

 

We do not need a front plate in Minnesota, does that help?   

[nascarxx29]

Thanks pocket thunder.Texas were I lived was a 1 plate state.And this doesnt apply to the subject .But I found it interesting that the plates stay with the car owner to owner.I was looking up on google NJ qq plate info to see what I could find out.As I can recall from friends with cars that had not used 2 qq plates getting warnings .And this might have been years back when they made QQs available.That Im not aware if they changed this law.Havent ordered any QQ plate since the 80-s when my wingcars were driven

[nascarxx29]

   
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General inspections are not required for historic or collector vehicles. To be classified as a "historic vehicle" it must be:
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                                                                                                               {Daytonlos statement Legally yes , its required, that said I never do , its ugly  .{Where as we see hes wrong and Chris G was right}
Daytonlos statementWith that , I will put the other tag on another vehicle

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[Chris G.]

You lost me Dave, but it was to be expected. 

[BigBlockSam]

hey
in nj , where i live. you only have to use 1 plate on qq cars . they use to put a letter in with your new plates saying. if you only use one plate , store it away and hand it in when you hand in the other plate . i just changed two of my cars to qq plates and they don't include that letter with the plates anymore . Rene

[Old Moparz]

I used to live in New Jersey & still have a crapload of NJ plates, all in sets of two. I don't use them on my cars anymore since I live in New York now.   

[daytonalo]

I learn something every day , Now If I figure out how to walk upright !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nascarxx29]

This should clarify things. Annie has been telling me all along that only the rear plate needs to be displayed after 1999.
She found this in another forum.
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NJ law says historic cars must have a historic QQ tag displayed from the REAR of the car ( this info is right from there website) but they sent me a pair and everytime I go to a show the classics have tags frt & rear in nj. Anybody have any insight into this.


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I only learned about this a few months ago and have found that many classic car owners don't know the actual law regarding these tags.
In 1999, NJ changed the law regarding front license plates on antique cars. The law now makes use of the front plate as optional .

Here's the applicable law (see last sentance of statute):
TITLE 39 MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC REGULATION
39:3-27.4. Historic motor vehicles; registration, license plates, display
2.Any owner of an historic motor vehicle who is a resident of this State may register such motor vehicle under the provisions of this act. Application for registering an historic vehicle shall be on forms prescribed by the director. Upon proper application and payment of the prescribed fee, the director shall issue a special nonconventional registration and special license plate for each historic motor vehicle registered in this State. Such registration and license plate shall be valid during the period of time that the vehicle is owned by the registrant. The fee for such registration and license plate shall be $25.00. The license plate shall bear the word "historic" and shall be of such design and colors as the director may determine. Notwithstanding the provisions of R.S.39:3-33 or any other law to the contrary, an owner of a vehicle registered as an historic vehicle , or any vehicle manufactured before 1945, shall not be required to display more than one special license plate issued for that vehicle, which plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle.

L.1964,c.195,s.2; amended 1999, c.305.

[daytonalo]

Well thank you , Dave and Chris, I will right down the statue because I know i will get in an argument with a jerkoff cop in the future . Larry

[Chris G.]

This should clarify things. Annie has been telling me all along that only the rear plate needs to be displayed after 1999.

Dave, commit yourself tonight. You needed Annie to confirm what I have been saying all along? You South Jersey people are on a different planet I swear. So sad, so sad.

[daytonalo]

sorry , its in the water ! I travel a great deal and where ever I go ,I always hear you must be from jersey ! I guess its a nice way of calling me a jerk-off !!!!!!!!!!!

[nascarxx29]

I know thats what you were saying Chris. Other people on this board need to see the law in writing. Didn't think posting the actual law would offend anyone. There are still alot of people unaware of this law. I wasn't aware of it since when I was driving my classics in the 80's and early 90's 2 plates were required.  However the comment about using the 2nd plate on another car is ridiculous. That would be considered a ficticious tag. Sorry if my giving the actual information is a problem for you.

[daytonalo]

Dave , I was kidding about the other tag !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ghoste]

Well, at least it was resolved before the lock came out.