Rice'rs busted racing w/pics

[Shakey]

There have been some new laws put in place here in Canada with regards to street racing.  I remember being young and foolish once.  Glad I never got caught and had my car crushed by the coppers!

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,14973.0.html

[Mefirst]

I do not condone Street Racing, BUT I do think the people street racing should stop for a second and think about where they are doing the racing.

Ive taken part in several illegal race events both as crew and as a spectator. I will probably race my own car next summer. To what Ive noticed the problem is NOT the racing itself, but the crowd. The races are well organised, only thing that can not be completely controlled is the crowd. The crowd is what causes problems, not the racing itself. Street racing has been raced organised over here since 1971 and during that time only 2 or 3 accidents have happend, no personal injuries, only busted up race cars. Here in Stockholm we have two illegal racing cups going on over the summer months and also one "One night only" race, "Stockholm Open".

One major problem is that the politicians finally managed to kill our only local racetrack... so next summer my guess is that there will be more or less anarchy on the streets because we don't have a local track any more.. Weird part is that there seems to be no problem opening up and getting money for Golf courts, Soccer fields, etc.. But to get money to build a racetrack out side the city, where the racing won´t disturb any one.. I think there is a bigger chance for Hell freezing over before politicians would put up the money for a permanent track.. No other sport has the same difficulty to get funding...

What ever kinda laws, fines, etc.. are made to try and prevent street racing, will not make it dissapear. Not even a race track that is open every day of the week will make street racing stop, but a race track open several days a week would help allot more than trying to stop is by laws, fines, etc..

My

/Tom

[Lord Warlock]

Kind of funny how some folks are soooo serious about the dangers of street racing, but they still drive cars that are way more modified than any street car will ever need.  And then tell us that speed is bad, racing is deadly.  I say go stuff it.  Street racing isn't that dangerous as long as you take it someplace private where there aren't spectators, and no crossroads entering your improvised "strip".  Not all of us have a race track anywhere nearby, and those few that do may only have a 1/8 mile track, and no quarter mile tracks.  In order for me to get to a 1/4 mile track, I have to drive almost 80 miles.  Not something I want to do with my big block charger, not that I ever plan on racing it anyway, it is planned to be a cruiser only.  

If you don't like exceeding the speed limit, don't go out and buy a car with more than 130 horsepower.  Don't spin tires if you don't want to, but please don't preach to the rest of us that have driven on the street for over 30 years with no accidents, no street racing tickets, and nothing more serious than a careless driving ticket on our record. (in my case the only ticket in the last 5 years was a no seatbelt violation)   Some of us DO know how to be circumspect in our auto activities, without relying on going to a track just to prove our mettle.  I may not melt my tires like i did when i was 17, and may not act irresponsibly when every tom dick and harry in a honda revs on me, but if I see a viper, an AC Cobra, or a 69 Camaro or SS Chevelle at a stoplight, don't berate me for having a little fun.  

When I race, I almost always take it to somewhere safe, but occasionally do a 0-80 run against the occasional exotic that wants to play.  To me, a race is a 1/4 mile run, and doesn't exceed 110 unless my car is running real real good that day.  But EVERY day when driving to work, or even across town, if you get on the interstate, you have to "flow" with traffic at 78-82mph.  Hardly near the posted 65 speed limits.  Anyone driving 65 is a road hazard and just asking for an idiot talking on the cell phone to run into them.  At least back in my days, the only morons on the road were drunks, nowadays we gotta watch out for Hondas revving and racing in rush hour traffic, every 3rd driver either eating, drinking, or talking on a cell phone, all of which are more dangerous than a drunk driver (in most cases, although a few drunks are far more dangerous for everyone) We also have to worry about people that have got back on the road after getting 4 or 10 DUIs.  Those folks should lose their car, and license for life.  

Yes here in Florida it is strict if caught racing on the highway, which is why its best to find a two lane backroad with no cross roads, and no turns and fairly clear visibility.  

[Lord Warlock]

Oh, while it may be okay to confiscate cars that were involved in an impromptu street race,  it is NOT fair to confiscate cars from folks gathering in a parking lot at a weekend night to talk cars with other enthusiasts.  This isn't street racing, it is called cruising.  And last I hear this wasn't illegal.  I'd be pretty pissed off if someone tried to trailer my car off when we were only sitting around bench racing with other enthusiasts.  Currently, I go to officially sanctioned car gatherings on the weekends during the daytime, but the local mustang club does meet at the steak n shake on Thursday nights, as a club, and there is no racing involved.  The stang club are strong 'take it to the track group".

LW

[azraelck]

The problem is, is that all indicators show that they were arrested for racing. It was at the end of a 4 month investigation. So it seems to me that not only were these idiots racing, they were known to have been doing it repeatedly.

I noticed a holier-than-thou approach, trying to insult my position. I don't speed. I drive a bone stock '06 Chevy Cobalt. I don't spin my tires, and I don't race , period.  If your ignorant and stupid enough to be doing 80mph, and get mad because I'm doing 65 in a 65, too bad. Pass, and get pulled over and thrown in jail by the next highway patrolman. YOU are in the wrong, YOU are the one being reckless and endangering others. YOU are the one who should have your liscense revoked, and your car impounded. YOU are the one like the worthless drunk who destroyed my truck, and messed up my back. I was in the right. I was in my lane, doing perfectly fine. He was in the wrong, speeding, driving drunk, driving on a suspended liscense, and without insurance. Lying and twisting things to try and make it seem like you're right doesn't work. Your not a politician. I do the speed limit, actually slow down when there's a school zone with kids around, and don't intentionally try to incite roadrage. I'm the one who gets to work every day, with no tickets, no wrecks, and not even a ding from where I was able to avoid that cat this morning. So don't try to paint me as a hypocrit. I don't do anything I speak out against. And I'm decidedly anti-idiot.  I don't race on the street (or on a track for that matter), I don't speed, and I don't cut people off. My personal rule is if you feel pressured to get somewhere, you either left too late, or your an idiot. And #2 applies for #1 as well. So instead of hitting the snooze 30 times, try getting up!

It is illegal for a reason. Public roads are not meant to handle racing, and I don't care where your at, there's usually a purpose for the road being there. If the lack of a track being avaliable concerns you so damn much, then get off your arse, quit eating doritos, and start making phone calls to ALL of your local parasites. Being lazy and incompetent is not an excuse.

As to insurance companies not liking you race, NO DUH! I had to sue my former insurance agent just to get them to honor my uninsured motorist coverage I had. Racing is a danger to the vehicle as much as to the driver, and a risk. Unless you specifically request specific insurance for racing, then they will not want to cover it. They don't want to cover anything as it is!

[Mefirst]

Azraelck***

You seem to have allot of issues with things messing with your perfectly and probably utterly booring life.. Well we al choose our own course of life... It does suck that you got hurt cause of the drunk driver and I am so sorry it happend to you. BUT the thing I do not see is what that has to do with the topic Illegal Street racing? To speed in a school zone has NOTHING to do with illegal street racing. Roadrage has NOTHING to do with street racing. If you want to rant, well go right ahead, but if you wan´t people to take your rants serious, try to stay within the topic.. or start a new topic about the many things that seems to piss you off...

About us loosing our local track.. Are you really so silly that you actually think we have done nothing to try and prevent this or that we have not done anything to try and find a solution? There are at this moment 3 local racing organisations trying to work out some kind of solution to the problem. -Do you even know what the typical answer is from our local politicians.. Bet you don´t. The answer we get is that there is no money.. Well that seems weird, there seems to be no problem to get money for golf courts, soccer fields, a new damn soccer arena costing tax payers millions eventhough the city of Stockholm already has 3 soccer arenas...

..well anyways, it won´t do any difference, you will continue to live your booring life though filled with allot of anger on several issues, until one day when your driving your 2006 Chevy Cobalt at 60mph according to the 60mph speed limit on the 6 lane highway, focusing your eyes straight forward, not moving an inch let faster traffic by, and with every car that drives passed you, your anger goes up a couple of points, cause it messes up your little perfect world and most of al it will mess up your golf game cause your so pissed off of al the "idiots" driving, then someone will flip you the finger and you´ll totally snap and cause havoc on the road, cause your years of suppressed anger will erupt like a fu***ng volcano...

[Mean 318]

 

[Lord Warlock]

wahhh wahhh, guess you deserve to drive a cobalt then.  I suppose you own a 69 charger, or are you just one of the wanna have one's?  If you drove an R/T charger, you'd know that driving one at 35mph or even 55-65mph is NOT where they were designed to be driven at.  They were built to be DRIVEN, not coddled.  

Its too bad a drunk driver got you, maybe if you weren't driving at the speed limit in the slow lane the drunk wouldn't have caught you.  I know that when I drive, very few drunks are next to me, or even catching up to me, they are trying to figure out which line to follow on the road.  

I have 3 cars to drive, my 69 charger R/T with its 440, my 91 stealth twin turbo, and my 04 SVT Supercharged v8 Cobra, none of which I ever intended to plod along at the minimum speed on the road.  Road rage? I don't get road rage, i leave it up to cobalt owners that can't get out of their own way and feel irate when someone passes them at 66mph in a 65 zone.  I drive aggressively, i know it, I don't apologize for it, I've never caused an accident, and I haven't hit another car since i was 15 when i had a learners permit and dad was teaching me to drive. I've been hit before, but never more than a small dent.  

I didn't have a holier than thou approach, if we aren't speeding thru residentials, or thru school zones, what difference is it to you?  I obey the limits around schools and in the neighborhood, i have kids too (and they play in the streets ...gasp.) BUT, if i want to take the risk and race another car on the highway at 11:30pm when noone is on the road but me and another daredevil is, and I think i can do it without getting caught by the cops, I'll enjoy myself.  That is what owning a performance car is all about.  Not every cobra owner rushes out to the rally tracks or quarter mile tracks every weekend.  Most of us just enjoy having a car that can get into traffic quickly and safely, and pass a cobalt that is holding up traffic by obeying the speed limits if we choose to.  

When i get a ticket, i pay it, I don't yell at the cop for doing his job, i accept responsibility for getting caught and pay my fine.  Its part and parcel of owning a fast car, occasionally you speed, and occasionally you get caught.  I don't worry about cobalt owners, or vw bug owners or soccer moms driving their oversized suv's none of which can drive or handle as well as the cars I have.

[BigBlockSam]

I was in my lane, doing perfectly fine. He was in the wrong, speeding, driving drunk, driving on a suspended liscense, and without insurance.   

was that you 

[Mean 318]

I am also offended at the fact that I have been placed into the same category as drunk drivers, and ass holes that speed in school zones. I have NEVER done either! I am more likely to catch the guy I see doing it and beat the living shit out of him!

I am sorry, but I don't agree with this comment either "Its too bad a drunk driver got you, maybe if you weren't driving at the speed limit in the slow lane the drunk wouldn't have caught you.  I know that when I drive, very few drunks are next to me, or even catching up to me, they are trying to figure out which line to follow on the road." I don't mean to come off as an asshole, but I think this was a little out of line. I do agree with this "When i get a ticket, i pay it, I don't yell at the cop for doing his job, i accept responsibility for getting caught and pay my fine." The last ticket I got, three years ago, And this was my second ever, I shook his hand after he gave me the ticket, because I knew I had been caught, and that I was in the wrong.
As I stated earlier, I am not here to piss anyone off, but to state my opinion.

[Lord Warlock]

Hey, he got offensive at my post, I responded in kind to his.  Maybe i intended to give a little dig about the drunk driver comment. Wasn't a flame, just a controvercial comment that would probably encourage him to respond again.  He made a few not nice statements in his own post at me, so figured turnabout was fair play.  But drunks rarely hit aggressive drivers, they usually hit the slow moving targets on the road.  I've driven drunk before, back before it was politically incorrect to do so, even got caught by a cop AND LET GO after giving a rational explanation and reason for doing so.  (there was a good reason at that time) Cop even told me to get back in the car and drive further down the road.   I don't get abusive when I post, and don't curse or use foul language.  I prefer to provoke folks in an open and meaningful way that all can understand.

I'm not a teen driver, I'm an old fart thats had his charger for 30 years.  And back then, the rules were a bit different than they are today.  And street racing wasn't treated the same either.  Even cops used to participate occasionally (had one ride along one weekend) and my in laws are cops so I support the law enforcement officers, even when I disagree with some of their policies. 

[Shakey]

Some of my favourite quotes from this thread:

I'm sorry, but anyone who races on a public road is a moron. There's a race track for a reason! You're endangering lives, just so you can have a wang measuring contest.

 

The courts are too lenient. It's not BS, they were clearly irresponsible, breaking the law, and endangering others and themselves with sheer stupidity.

 

Maybe if community's supported the idea of creating "safe" places for kids to do this it would be a different story, but the fact of the matter is 99% of them wont!

 

Who do you suppose should pay for this "safe" place for these kids to race?  The taxpayers?  What about the insurance?  When, not if, when a person gets maimed or killed durring a race at one of these "safe" places and the family decides to sue the local government, who is going to fork out the dough?  The taxpayers?  

Send a clear message that racing in town will not be tolerated. If you are out in the middle of nowhere and have no chance of hurting anyone than have at it!

 

Where is the middle of nowhere?  Are you sure no one lives there?  How about the thought of deer running out in front of a Honda Civic doing 102 mph on a country road and going through the windshield.  Now the county has to send an ambulance out to the middle of nowhere pick up the victim and rush him to the hospital for surgery.  Who's paying for that?  You and I?

Here in Florida its "Racing on a Highway", its a Felony and they can arrest you and impound your car.

 

Good!

I do not condone Street Racing, BUT I do think the people street racing should stop for a second and think about where they are doing the racing.

Ive taken part in several illegal race events both as crew and as a spectator. I will probably race my own car next summer.

 

Make up your mind Tom!  You don't condone it when others do it, but it's ok for you?  

To what Ive noticed the problem is NOT the racing itself, but the crowd. The races are well organised, only thing that can not be completely controlled is the crowd. The crowd is what causes problems, not the racing itself.

   

While I will agree with you that the crowd can be an issue, please don't try and tell me that you or anyone can control two cars barreling down a public road at 100 + mph.

politicians would put up the money for a permanent track.. No other sport has the same difficulty to get funding...

As mentioned above, if the local government funds such events, they are responsible.

Street racing isn't that dangerous as long as you take it someplace private where there aren't spectators, and no crossroads entering your improvised "strip".

 

Well, if you went someplace private, it wouldn't be street racing now would it?

In order for me to get to a 1/4 mile track, I have to drive almost 80 miles.  Not something I want to do with my big block charger, not that I ever plan on racing it anyway, it is planned to be a cruiser only.

When I race, I almost always take it to somewhere safe, but occasionally do a 0-80 run against the occasional exotic that wants to play.  To me, a race is a 1/4 mile run, and doesn't exceed 110 unless my car is running real real good that day.

 

So you may go up to 120 mph, depending on the day?  Define somewhere safe?  Perhaps the desert in West Texas?

Anyone driving 65 is a road hazard and just asking for an idiot talking on the cell phone to run into them.

 

So the fellow doing the posted speed limit of 65 mph is the hazard and he should speed up because the driver talking on the cell phone might run into the back of him?  

At least back in my days, the only morons on the road were drunks, nowadays we gotta watch out for Hondas revving and racing in rush hour traffic, every 3rd driver either eating, drinking, or talking on a cell phone, all of which are more dangerous than a drunk driver (in most cases, although a few drunks are far more dangerous for everyone)

Don't forget the guys that

occasionally do a 0-80 run against the occasional exotic that wants to play.  To me, a race is a 1/4 mile run, and doesn't exceed 110 unless my car is running real real good that day.

 

[Shakey]

The problem is, is that all indicators show that they were arrested for racing. It was at the end of a 4 month investigation. So it seems to me that not only were these idiots racing, they were known to have been doing it repeatedly.

Seems that things were organized quite well and if the activities they were involved with were illegal, that would not be much different than organized crime!  Throw the book at them!

You seem to have allot of issues with things messing with your perfectly and probably utterly booring life.. Well we al choose our own course of life...

Have you decided whether or not you are for or against street racing yet?    

Well that seems weird, there seems to be no problem to get money for golf courts, soccer fields, a new damn soccer arena costing tax payers millions eventhough the city of Stockholm already has 3 soccer arenas...

Two sports that the majority of the public can participate in.  The taxpayers will decide where the money goes.  You want a dragstrip - get a good job, make lots of money and build one.

If you drove an R/T charger, you'd know that driving one at 35mph or even 55-65mph is NOT where they were designed to be driven at.  They were built to be DRIVEN, not coddled.

Make up you mind man - you gonna drive it or what? 

my big block charger, not that I ever plan on racing it anyway, it is planned to be a cruiser only. 

Its too bad a drunk driver got you, maybe if you weren't driving at the speed limit in the slow lane the drunk wouldn't have caught you.  I know that when I drive, very few drunks are next to me, or even catching up to me, they are trying to figure out which line to follow on the road. 

Are you serious?  You would actually say that to someone? 

What would you say to your Wife if she was laying in a hospital bed with metal pins holding her spine together after she told you she was hit by a drunk driver.  Would you tell her she should have been going faster?   

I have 3 cars to drive, my 69 charger R/T with its 440, my 91 stealth twin turbo, and my 04 SVT Supercharged v8 Cobra, none of which I ever intended to plod along at the minimum speed on the road.  Road rage? I don't get road rage,

You just cause it by darting in and out of traffic, cutting people off as you go!   

I didn't have a holier than thou approach, if we aren't speeding thru residentials, or thru school zones, what difference is it to you?

Did you forget that you just stated

I have 3 cars to drive, my 69 charger R/T with its 440, my 91 stealth twin turbo, and my 04 SVT Supercharged v8 Cobra, none of which I ever intended to plod along at the minimum speed on the road.  Road rage? I don't get road rage,

But drunks rarely hit aggressive drivers, they usually hit the slow moving targets on the road.

   

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've read since you earlier posts.   

I've driven drunk before, back before it was politically incorrect to do so

Getting better!   

I don't get abusive when I post, and don't curse or use foul language.  I prefer to provoke folks in an open and meaningful way that all can understand.

You don't get abusive - you might want to re-read some of your posts and rethink that statement.  You don't use foul language - aren't you the model citizen.  And finally you like to provoke folks in an open and meaningful way that all can understand.

Well, you might need to help us out on that one however after your posts in this thread, I think we all have a pretty good understanding of who you are and how you view the public through your windshield.

About me, sometimes I drive the speed limit, sometimes I speed.  Sometimes I'll drive home after having a couple of beers, but not after a night of drinking.  Sometimes I speak my mind, sometimes I keep my thoughts to myself.  In this case, I couldn't help myself and had to point out all of the inconsistencies in these posts.  And BTW, I am also inconsistent sometimes.

Street racing is wrong and illegal.  Will it continue to happen, yes!  Can people justify why they do it - of course, one can justify just about anything.

Drinking and driving is wrong and illegal.  Will it continue to happen, yes!  Can people justify why they do it - of course, one can justify just about anything.

[myk]

Lol.  What the frak are you people talking about?!

[Skued]

i also ran for pinks a couple of times .

Let's hear more about this Did you ever win any ?
20 years ago when I was high school the badest of the badest raced for pinks down by the airport.  Stapleton Drive in Denver, Co.

Steve

[Mefirst]

Shakey***

-Sorry, if my English is a little bad and it may sometimes be hard for you to understand my posts.. But also remember, English is one of five languages I speak, sadly I do not speak or write English as perfectly as you do.. and by the way, how many other languages do you speak, besides English?

About the quotes in your post...

Quote "I do not condone Street Racing, BUT I do think the people street racing should stop for a second and think about where they are doing the racing. Ive taken part in several illegal race events both as crew and as a spectator. I will probably race my own car next summer."

"Make up your mind Tom!  You don't condone it when others do it, but it's OK for you?"

**Read the text again, and think about what you read for a while and you´ll get it.. Well I´ll make it easy for you and explane the text to you.
"I do not condone Street Racing (Exp. I'm not against it, now wasnt that easy to understand?), BUT i do think people street racing should stop for a second to think about where they are doing the racing (Exp. By people I am referring to EVERYONE that are taking part in street racing, including myself.) See, when you take a moment to think about what you read, the meaning of the text will become clear as well...



Quote "To what Ive noticed the problem is NOT the racing itself, but the crowd. The races are well organised, only thing that can not be completely controlled is the crowd. The crowd is what causes problems, not the racing itself."

"While I will agree with you that the crowd can be an issue, please don't try and tell me that you or anyone can control two cars barreling down a public road at 100 + mph"

**True. Did I any where in my post say that you can??



Quote "You seem to have allot of issues with things messing with your perfectly and probably utterly booring life.. Well we al choose our own course of life..."

"Have you decided whether or not you are for or against street racing yet?"

**Actually this quote had nothing to do with the topic of street racing at al. Read that text again from where you took the quote and you´ll notice that to... The quote is taken from a text where I answer to an earlier rant post by another member...



Quote "Well that seems weird, there seems to be no problem to get money for golf courts, soccer fields, a new damn soccer arena costing tax payers millions eventhough the city of Stockholm already has 3 soccer arenas..."

"Two sports that the majority of the public can participate in. The taxpayers will decide where the money goes."

**I hate to tell you but in reality taxpayers don´t have that much in saying where the tax money should go.. Tell you what, you come over to Stockholm, I´ll prove my point. I´ll take you where ever in the city, when you want you tell me to stop the car, we will get out and I will show you that with a walking distance of 5minutes or less there will be a soccer field or another kind of out door sports activity place. Then look at whats going on in these places, you'd see that most of the time they are empty, yes, even in the evenings and weekends.. The 2, now 3 race organisations here have been trying to get a permanent track in the Stockholm area since the mid 70´s but with out luck...

/Tom

[Lord Warlock]

Make up you mind man - you gonna drive it or what?

I drove my charger enough when I was young.  Today with expensive, low octane gas, It goes to car meets and shows, or it will when it gets its rebuild completed.  And yes, it will be driven to shows, not trailored.  But it isn't a car I go to the store in, i have plenty of other cars to do that in. 

You just cause it by darting in and out of traffic, cutting people off as you go!

I don't dart in and out of lanes, when I drive a consistent speed i drive in the slow lane, when I want to pass someone I drive in the passing lane. 

Are you serious?  You would actually say that to someone?

Evidently I just said it to someone.  I may not have been too serious about it though. 

Did you forget that you just stated
Quote
I have 3 cars to drive, my 69 charger R/T with its 440, my 91 stealth twin turbo, and my 04 SVT Supercharged v8 Cobra, none of which I ever intended to plod along at the minimum speed on the road

.  Explain how this is holier than thou?  Just because I drive at speeds higher than the speed limit occasionally, does not mean I'm a hazard on the road and cutting folks off.  I normally drive close to the speed limits on the road, but i'm not afraid to pass someone that is plodding along holding up traffic.  Maybe our perspectives are different, traffic is heavy here during the daytime, there is no way you are going to race while the roads are full.  That is pure stupidity. 

As far as where is it safe to race?  Just go a few miles out of town or to a road that is rarely used.  There are plenty of places to go in Florida that aren't bumper to bumper all the time.  The trick is to know which roads are the best to be used for that purpose, and you usually DO case the road prior to racing, to make sure noone is going to be at serious risk.  One of my preferred places to go fast is a nearby bridge, you know for sure noone is going to be pulling out in front of you while going fast.  (bridge is 3 miles long) You also know to slow down before the ends of the bridge because the ends are usually hot spots for the highway patrol to be waiting. 

[tecmopar]

A really sad example of this is just recently 2 guys were racing through traffic, not drag racing, just zipping in and out of traffic with the "Oh yeah, my cars faster then yours attitude" on US 19 here in Florida, in the daylight and the guy in his SRT-4 lost it and slammed into the back of a Highway Dept. truck where it just so happens that one of the workers, a Husband and father of 3 was standing. DEAD, and this is not meant to pick on the "Ricers", its for everyone, its just stupid, dumb, idiotic etc etc. By the way, the driver got like 20 years which isn't enough. GO TO THE TRACK!!!!

[Mike DC]

Let me get this straight:
They launched a four-month-long investigation and involved over 70 officers . . . all to confiscate some Civics & issue the drivers some street-racing tickets?


I'm not defending the street racers, but is this a reasonable use of law-enforcement resources?  Does anyone else think there might have been bigger problems that could have used those 70 officers & four months of effort? 

The who thing sounds a lot more like a "smash & grab" on the part of that police department.  Good press, low risk of violence compared to the major amount of (liquid) assets seized, and the only losers are street-racer punks who aren't likely to fight back.  And the local press will glorify the whole operation for "protecting" the people from a few dozen spiky-haired kids and their 4-banger Hondas. 


Once again I'm not defending the ricers, and I don't wanna start an generic cop-bashing session either.  But this whole thing sounds crazy to me.  That's a hell of a lot of effort to stop (the mere potential of) a few ugly car wrecks.

It wouldn't be so funny if it was a bunch of Mopars in those pictures.

   

[2Gunz]

Shakey.....


While some of your points are interesting they really are not very valid.

The taxpayers are already paying for NOT having a race track.

They did a 4 month investigation and thats not free or cheap.

And while Im sure it cost nowhere near what a track would, this also wont be the last time they "investagate".

And you can argue that selling the impounded (aka STOLEN legally) will pay for that.

This is America, and after paying for the bureaucracy that keeps track of and sells the cars... they will be like 10 million in the hole.


And dont get me wrong, Im not saying a track will fix the problem, but it certainly wont hurt it.

In order to fix things you need to fix the source of the problem. Not create laws to try to put a bandaid on it.


The REAL solution here is that we make a law so that every car that can go faster than 65 miles an hour has to be destroyed.

Oh wait.... Then people will race to 65 miles an hour.

Ok so maybe we should make it so cars accerate really slow so racing is no fun.

Oh wait....  then people will race to 65 miles down a steep hill.


My point.........  Stop making laws that dont fix anything.

And IF you do make a law.... make it so people actually know about it.

I live in California and have no idea if I street race will they take my car?

I have no F'ing Idea.  So guess what?  Thats not much of a deterrent now is it......

All it amounts to is more ways for the system to screw me.

[2Gunz]

Mike ya kinda beat me.

And Im with ya, how many real people died while the 70 officers where out chasing what might happen.

In the end it will just make it more dangerous.

The racing will go more underground.

And become more spur of the moment, prolly in traffic instead at least somewhat planned out.

[Arthu®]

Let me get this straight:
They launched a four-month-long investigation and involved over 70 officers . . . all to confiscate some Civics & issue the drivers some street-racing tickets?


I'm not defending the street racers, but is this a reasonable use of law-enforcement resources?  Does anyone else think there might have been bigger problems that could have used those 70 officers & four months of effort? 

The who thing sounds a lot more like a "smash & grab" on the part of that police department.  Good press, low risk of violence compared to the major amount of (liquid) assets seized, and the only losers are street-racer punks who aren't likely to fight back.  And the local press will glorify the whole operation for "protecting" the people from a few dozen spiky-haired kids and their 4-banger Hondas. 


Once again I'm not defending the ricers, and I don't wanna start an generic cop-bashing session either.  But this whole thing sounds crazy to me.  That's a hell of a lot of effort to stop (the mere potential of) a few ugly car wrecks.

It wouldn't be so funny if it was a bunch of Mopars in those pictures.

   

Well said...