Any deer hunters here?

[Steve P.]

I used to hunt till I married one of them. Never used a gun though!! 

[4402tuff4u]

I love the stories about when  the hunter gets shot  , when  animals fight back , either by fate or the animal gets a jump on you rednecks !!!!!!! If your that desperate for food I will send you food stamps !!!!  Obviously you think it is OK to kill animals , so therefore I want to come over and kill all of your animals !!!!!!!!

I gather from your reply that you are a vegetarian and don't consume any form of animal products. Going to the store to buy a piece of meat is just a sanitized way of killing an animal, but letting someone else do the dirty deed, and in masses I should add.

I hunt here in the Northeast (NY) every year and in two weeks will be in the woods looking to kill and gut out a whitetail that my whole family will consume and enjoy. The only difference is that I'm going into the deer's turf seeking for him and not feeding him from a newborn up to an adult...a life in confinement just to be killed for meat. The whitetails odds of survival from being killed by a hunter are greater than my chances of scoring/bagging a deer. As soon as I snap a twig and the deer hears it several hundred feet away or the deer smells the human scent several hundred yards away, he's gone! I have watch black bears, Lynx cats and coyote's walk by cause it would be a waste just to kill them for a mount, since I don't plan on consuming the meat of those species.   

..........so not every hunter is "desperate" for food or in need of food stamps, and I don't love stories when hunters get shot, cause someday it might be someone you know or a love one. Cheers!

[moparguy01]

I love the stories about when  the hunter gets shot  , when  animals fight back , either by fate or the animal gets a jump on you rednecks !!!!!!! If your that desperate for food I will send you food stamps !!!!  Obviously you think it is OK to kill animals , so therefore I want to come over and kill all of your animals !!!!!!!!

we arent killing the family pet you cheese eating surrender monkey. we're "harvesting" to help control the populations. if the population isnt controlled, then they eat all the food the farmers grow. then they die of starvation. so the deer die in large numbers, or they are "harvested"

I'm sure we'll all love the stories of you getting shot, or when you get run over by a herd of stampeding hormone injected cattle.

I seriously find it hard to beleive that you are really that stupid. but then again.......

[sjmarsing]

Nice mule deer my co-worker just harvested from northern Utah.

[ck1]

I would say though you guys really need to know the proper way to hang a deer or any animal you plain to skin and butcher, and its not from the head its from the hind legs head down.  The reason is there is allot of stuff in the head and glads you don't want dripping downward into and on to the meat  and they bleed out better by the hind legs plus it just doesn't look right hanging from there heads

[Steve P.]

I don't know anything about hunting or skinning or, or, or,    but that is the first time I have ever seen deer hanging head high..

[68_R/T_Eric]

I love the stories about when  the hunter gets shot  , when  animals fight back , either by fate or the animal gets a jump on you rednecks !!!!!!! If your that desperate for food I will send you food stamps !!!!  Obviously you think it is OK to kill animals , so therefore I want to come over and kill all of your animals !!!!!!!!

I dare you to come over here and start killing our animals! Hey you might just end up like the stories you love. IT could be your dream come true!!


-Eric

[grouseman]

Well, you gotta look at it from the ANTI-hunter's side.  They're usually squeamish about things like blood, and putting in hard work for something that you can otherwise just go out and buy.  They've no real love or appreciation of nature, of being outdoors, understanding game biology or any of the issues facing wildlife.  They see a single deer and think they're 'communing with nature', whereas the hunter has that communal feeling in his stomach, and deer protein has contributed to his muscles and organs.  That deer (and any wild game) is now a part of the hunter, the deer's spirit it within him.  He now owes part of his life to that game animal, and love and respect can only flow from such a relationship. 

The ANTI-hunter can't fathom any of this, so they rationalize it by saying hunters are mean, evil, murderers who hate the game animals they hunt.  They inflate the killing side so that is all they focus on, and project that killing onto all other animals and people.  They think we all want to hunt humans, ultimately.  Their ignorance of hunting leads to fear, and thus their ultimate hatred.  They're just like the bigots and racists of old - full of misunderstanding, ignorance and prejudice.  Just because they don't know anything about the subject doesn't mean they can't have an opinion! 

Any good sportsman hunter behaves ethically, treats his downed game with respect, and provides for habitat preservation and good game management so that hunters may enjoy this heritage celebration of life for generations to come.  Life is death, and death is life - hunters understand that concept.  ANTI-hunters are so full of rage and hate that they cannot see their own hypocrisy when they go buy meat from the store.  We have more in common with gardeners who will can and preserve their own vegetables, or farmers who raise and butcher their own beef, or people who cut their own firewood.  We intrinsically bind ourselves to nature by our act of participating in it, not standing outside of it and being a spectator.  An ANTI-hunter will never enjoy or understand nature in the same way as a hunter.  Their narrow minded ideology allows them no room to think for themselves.  It is surprising, but they will always, ALWAYS honour and respect the aborignal hunting traditions, but if a white man does the exact same thing then he is branded as a barbaric savage.  And isn't that how the aboriginals (whom they now respect) were initially described by Europeans?   My two young girls can understand and appreciate this concept; why can't a supposedly mature ANTI-hunter understand that others want more out of life?  If you can't understand it, fine, just don't inflict us with your weakness of character. 

[Orange_Crush]

Well, you gotta look at it from the non-hunter's side.  They're usually squeamish about things like blood, and putting in hard work for something that you can otherwise just go out and buy.  They've no real love or appreciation of nature, of being outdoors, understanding game biology or any of the issues facing wildlife.  They see a single deer and think they're 'communing with nature', whereas the hunter has that communal feeling in his stomach, and deer protein has contributed to his muscles and organs.  That deer (and any wild game) is now a part of the hunter, the deer's spirit it within him.  He now owes part of his life to that game animal, and love and respect can only flow from such a relationship. 

The anti-hunter can't fathom any of this, so they rationalize it by saying hunters are mean, evil, murderers who hate the game animals they hunt.  They inflate the killing side so that is all they focus on, and project that killing onto all other animals and people.  They think we all want to hunt humans, ultimately.  Their ignorance of hunting leads to fear, and thus their ultimate hatred.  They're just like the bigots and racists of old - full of misunderstanding, ignorance and prejudice.  Just because they don't know anything about the subject doesn't mean they can't have an opinion! 

Any good sportsman hunter behaves ethically, treats his downed game with respect, and provides for habitat preservation and good game management so that hunters may enjoy this heritage celebration of life for generations to come.  Life is death, and death is life - hunters understand that concept.  Anti-hunters are so full of rage and hate that they cannot see their own hypocrisy when they go buy meat from the store.  We have more in common with gardeners who will can and preserve their own vegetables, or farmers who raise and butcher their own beef, or people who cut their own firewood.  We intrinsically bind ourselves to nature by our act of participating in it, not standing outside of it and being a spectator.  A non-hunter will never enjoy or understand nature in the same way as a hunter.  Their narrow minded ideology allows them no room to think for themselves.  It is surprising, but they will always, ALWAYS honour and respect the aborignal hunting traditions, but if a white man does the exact same thing then he is branded as a barbaric savage.  And isn't that how the aboriginals (whom they now respect) were initially described by Europeans?   My two young girls can understand and appreciate this concept; why can't a supposedly mature anti-hunter understand that others want more out of life?  If you can't understand it, fine, just don't inflict us with your weakness of character. 

Whoa whoa whoa there grouseman.  Don't be lumping all non-hunters in with daytonalulu.

I don't have a problem with hunting or fishing or any of the other pastimes.  If you want to hunt it is your right and you're free to do it.  I have no beef with it.  I understand hard work, love of nature and all the other stuff you mention.  When you say things like what you said above, you come off sounding just like the guy you're criticizing.

I choose not to hunt because I do not enjoy it.  I eat meat and I know where it comes from...hell, I enjoy venison.  I just don't weant to kill the animals I eat.

[grouseman]

Thanks for pointing that our, OC, I was using non-hunters when I meant to say anti-hunters.  I did not intend that.  I will edit it to remove the misunderstanding. 

There, I think I got them all.

[sjmarsing]

Very true and well written Grouseman.  One thing I remember from my hunter safety course was that statistics show most of the population as "non-hunters" but most of the population is also FOR hunting.  (even though they don't hunt they don't want to take away others freedom to do so)  It is only a small portion of non-hunters that are anti-hunters. Dept of wildlife resources does a fairly good job issuing the proper number of tags to keep the deer in check with their habitat so they don't overpopulate  resulting in unhealthy, mal-nourished herds and increased vehicle/deer accidents - and at the same time making sure they don't become extinct. Here in Utah if you get a tag it is one - sex specific tag.

[sjmarsing]

Here you go daytonalo - this should cheer you up:

Deer Attacks, Kills His Owner in N.Y.
By Associated Press
Sun Nov 12, 8:41 PM

ELLENBURG, N.Y. - A deer being kept in a pen attacked and killed his owner Sunday, state police said.

The buck that killed Ronald Donah, 43, was among about a half dozen deer penned up on his property in Ellenburg, about 180 miles north of Albany, said state Trooper Joseph House.

Details of Donah's injuries and what may have prompted the attack were not available Sunday.

Maureen Wren, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Environmental Conservation, said Donah had a license to keep the white tail deer on his property but did not know why he was doing so.

She said deer attacks, at least in the wild, are extremely rare.

Donah was taken to CVPH Medical Center in Plattsburgh, where he died. An autopsy was scheduled for Monday.

[253862656971]

I popped this guy yesterday out on my uncles ranch.  He is a 7x5.  The brow tines are really goofy and they're what gave so many points.  He's not very big but he's ok.  I'm gonna do a horn mount on him.