September 1rst, stick it up their behind day! read this

[IBsmokin]

IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA   DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.

AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

THEREFORE SEPTEMBER 1st  HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT UP THEIR BEHIND " DAY AND THE PEOPLE OF THESE TWO NATIONS SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.

THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.

WAITING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.   WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?

REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES,   TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED.   THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC.   WHO PAYS IN THE END?   WE DO!

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.   IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT

AGAIN AND AGAIN.

SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD.   FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.   MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE SEPTEMBER 1ST A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA   SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"


PASS THE WORD FOLKS!!

[RD]

no offense IB, but this is definitely one of those:

"great idea, bad execution" ordeals that screams of desperation.  

This is definitely a short term solution to a long term problem.

A better idea would be for people to start riding their bikes instead of driving their cars, hey or better yet, remove all drive up windows to all retail/service oriented establishments.

but frack it, i will not buy gas on Sept. 1st, instead i will get it the day before or the day after, that will show the oil guys who the boss is!

[The Mad Scientist]

Last I heard it was the price of crude that was up.   I think OPEC deserves more thanks than the oil companies (although I'm sure they're not starving)

The actual solution to the problem is to reduce the amount of gas you use every day.   Not just in one day.  

There are many ways this can be accomplished.  


Car pool

Find new routes to your destinations that don't have as much traffic.  The less time you spend idling the less gas you use. 

Shut off your engine at a long red light, or for a train, or waiting at the drive through window.  It's a wives tale that it takes more gas to start an engine than to keep one running.  It does not take that much fuel to restart a warm engine.  While an engine runs it uses fuel, while it does not run it does not use fuel, do the math.

Alternate fuels

Use a more fuel efficient vehicle for your daily driver.  

buy a motorcycle

Maybe that new Hummer isn't such a good idea?

Hybrid car?

Bus

Bicycle

Walk (god forbid)

Plan out as many of your weekly erands as you can for 1 or 2 days a week.  

Try shopping at more local shops within walking/biking distance rather than driving across town/to another town to patronize the Wal Mart etc.   Now that gas is pricy enough you might actually save money by paying higher prices.

Perform a tune up or other preventative maintainance you've been putting off.  

Also, RD has an excellent point.   Everyone needs gas.   That's just how the world works.   If everyone buys their gas on the last day of August or on September 2nd.   The oil companies aren't really losing any money now are they?   Not like we're all going to quit cold turkey.   We'll be back.   I don't see a way you could get enough people involved in this "protest" to make the wheels fall off the oil business.   You could make a dent sure.   But you'd just be back for your gasoline a few days later.   You know it, I know it, and "THEY" know it.

[FastbackJon]

So if this was implemented, they would lose all that money on September 1st, but then get it all back when those people put the extra amount of gas in their vehicles on September 2nd.

Only way to lower gas prices is to break up that greedy Opec monopoly so there is some competition among the ranks.

[253862656971]

The best fuels on the market today are not liquid fuel (gas) but the gaseous ones (propane).  The best fuel that I've seen so far is hydrogen but not these hyrdrogen electric cars they're talking about.  We can run hydrogen in our chargers if we want we just need something like a natural gas conversion.  I've even seen an old Shelby Cobra powered by hydrogen.  The only by-product is water which is one of the by-products of gasoline.  Oh yeah hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe.  Imagine being able to fill your tank for about $20.

[FastbackJon]

I remember hydrogen...

[Troy]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, please don't post stupid spam emails....

If you actually believe any sentence on that then you really have been smoking something.

IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA  DID NOT PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE OIL COMPANIES WOULD CHOKE ON THEIR STOCKPILES.

Who calculated it? Where are the results for me to investigate? Oil companies would laugh all the way to the bank on the next day.

AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF OVER 4.6 BILLION DOLLARS WHICH AFFECTS THE BOTTOM LINES OF THE OIL COMPANIES.

Really? Again, who calculated this and where did they get these numbers? A net loss usually affects the bottom line of any company. Crazy huh?

THEREFORE SEPTEMBER 1st  HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT UP THEIR BEHIND " DAY AND THE PEOPLE OF THESE TWO NATIONS SHOULD NOT BUY A SINGLE DROP OF GASOLINE THAT DAY.

Who "formally" declared it and why wasn't it on the news? I feel like I've missed something very important so I should read every email all over again. Look! I can reverse balding, order Viagra online, enlarge my private parts, and make women want me all for $9.95... who cares about gas prices? What are we sticking up their behinds any way? I don't think I want to participate with a description like that. 

THE ONLY WAY THIS CAN BE DONE IS IF YOU FORWARD THIS E-MAIL TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT.

Good idea, spam everyone you know. OH! I know, you could also post it on all of your favorite message boards if you really want to look like a dweeb!

WAITING ON THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN AND CONTROL THE PRICES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.  WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REDUCTION AND CONTROL IN PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?

Hmmmm, who put the government in charge of stepping in to control prices? Keep waiting. When did the Arab nations promise anything? When did the Arab nations start producing all of the oil? The last price increase was blamed on a Hurricane and I wasn't aware that the Arab nations could control the weather in Florida. I guess I need to read more...

REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES,  TRUCKING COMPANIES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES WHICH EFFECTS PRICES ON EVERYTHING THAT IS SHIPPED.  THINGS LIKE FOOD, CLOTHING, BUILDING MATERIALS, MEDICAL SUPPLIES ETC.  WHO PAYS IN THE END?  WE DO!

Really? The logic overwhelms me... I guess if we don't buy gas for one whole day then I can eat, dress, build a house and buy prescriptions for a lot less money. How will I get to the mall, Walgreens, Home Depot and McDonald's on an empty tank?

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.  IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY, WE WILL DO IT

AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Uh, right. Let's not buy any gas at all for the next 6 months. That'll show 'em! (Until the supply is lowered to meet demand and the price triples when we all go back to buying gas.) People can't even manage it for ONE day - imagine getting them all organized more than once. Heck, we have a hard time organizing group buys with 10 people or less.

SO DO YOUR PART AND SPREAD THE WORD.  FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.  MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND MAKE SEPTEMBER 1ST A DAY THAT THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA  SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"

Yes, spam all of your friends with useless information! Better send it twice because this is too important to pass up! I marked my calendar - did you? I'll be watching the stock market like a hawk in anticipation of tumbling oil stocks from the overflowing "stockpiles". Hey! I bet if no one buys gas for the first 12 hours of the day then the stations will drop the price about $.40 ($3.50 Canadian) and I can get cheaper gas in the afternoon...

Troy

[FastbackJon]

And if I don't put gas in my car on September 1st (assuming I put gas in my car every day), maybe I'll save like $20.

So what is better about saving $20 on one day, rather than if I just got a more fuel efficient vehicle (like 10mpg increase, from 17mpg to 27mpg), and saved $392 annually on my average 125 mile per week commute??





Now imagine if 100 million people (population of the US and Canada is currently over 327 million) had an increase of 10mpg in their vehicles, and saved on an average of $392 annually. That's a loss of 39,200,000,000... or 39.2 billlion dollars. Now THAT'S a pretty big loss.

I know it is impractical but I wonder what the loss would be if everyone who drove a car/truck switched to a motorcycle that got 60mpg??

[Chryco Psycho]

I need a motorcycle with snow tires & a block heater

CAn you stop all the air lines & trains from fueling up , or the city vehicles like police etc , then we could impact the sales a little

[Charged]

Last I heard it was the price of crude that was up. 

I appoligize if Ive misunderstood. But I believe your under the impression that gas and crude oil are two different things? Well, yes AND no. I use to be confused as to why the price of crude oil affected gas prices. Their completly different things...right? Not exactly. You see:

Crude oil is released from the Earth. It is then processed via boiling, compression, etc. by oil companies. Well, in a vertical container this process is happening. Heavier substances fall lower while lighter substances float higher. In due time their will be several different substances seperated with the above process. Eventually we have diesiel floating lower in the container and gasoline floating higher, and thier all in that SAME container. Their are other fuels as well, but I cant remember them all. Then they remove these substances. The gas goes one way, the diesiel another, followed by all the other individualized fuels. And ALL of this is derived from crude oil. They call it "Crude" because its raw and natural and needs to be dealt with inorder to seperate its  "ingriedients."

Charged

[Steve P.]

I need a motorcycle with snow tires & a block heater




You need a 2 wheel drive motorcycle with chains and a block heater....  LOL....

[IBsmokin]

ANYWAYS, WUTEVER! GUYS! HACK YOU!!   I thought it sounded like a pretty good idea, that is why ideas like this dont work, everyone got to bust it up and break it down, such ignorance!  you could not buy gas that day, and try to make less use of your vehicle for that one day so your not buying more gas the day before or the day after, use public transportation, walk, run, ride a bike!  Yes some of the figures are incorrect, like the 4.6 billion used per day, its more like 750 million dollars per day is spent on gas.  But that is besides the point, you guys all sit here and trash the idea, and use the same stupid comments like people always use on this site to bash me,  "HEY IB, YOU MUST BE SMOKING, HEE HEE", OR "HEY YOU BE SMOKIN TO MUCH HUH HUH HEE HEE"  thats so stupid, like you can't come up with anything more original, I don't care if I look like a dork, nor do I care that some people I have never actually met and probally never will, think such.
I thought it sounded like a good idea, and on September the 1rst which is this coming thursday I will limit my driving the entire day and not buy any gas at all.

[IBsmokin]

BTW!
According to Euromonitor International, the total sales of petroleum products for all U.S. gas stations in 2002 was $205 billion, which works out to just over a half-billion dollars a day."  Then half of that figure for canada so hence about 750 million.

[BB1]

Euromonitor International???  Righttttt 

[hemihead]

It seems to me certain people are adamant about the idea of any kind of govermental regulation of gas pricing.Why should gas prices not be regulated?Don't give me the story about democracy,free enterprise, and the capitalist dream.The government( State and/or Federal) has laws and regulations about every other
thing in our lives.Cigarette and milk prices are regulated.Why not gas?We are losing more freedom everyday
so we might as well have something else regulated.It is not only Opec that is bending us over the pumps.It takes the company that pumps it out of the ground,the refineries, the state and federal governments with taxes and some for the company at the pump.Let us not forget the all knowing financial gods of Wall Street.
The analysists that scream the sky is falling a year before it is suppose to happen.I guess they look into their crystal ball and predict the future.Why do the gas prices go up immediately but when it goes down it takes 2 weeks to change at the pump?
Bottom line is nobody wants to do anything in this country about anything.We have become a flock of sheep and follow what our politicians tell us is good for us.A government by the people for the people?
Not anymore.It's just a game of the rich get richer and the the working class man is the pawn.

[IBsmokin]

 
Very well said Hemihead!!!!

[Duey]

IB, the only way this wokrs is if you try to break the monoplolistic cartel that the N.A. petro companies all form, yet say they have no idea what each othes is pricing, etc... (ummmm, yeah, right!)

You have to pick one company and put it to them by buying from every other company but them...then THEY feel the pain while other Perto folks get the gain...makes at least one producer very unhappy.

How about this -- put the blocks to, say....Exxon/Esso.

Buy from anyone else...do this for as long as it takes to get a peep out of the folks that put a tiger in your tank...

In the end, this won't even be effective because North Americans generally bitch about fuel prices that still aren't anywhere near European levels, then proceed to go out and fill their tanks.... 

Duey

[Troy]

ANYWAYS, WUTEVER! GUYS! HACK YOU!! I thought it sounded like a pretty good idea, that is why ideas like this dont work, everyone got to bust it up and break it down, such ignorance! you could not buy gas that day, and try to make less use of your vehicle for that one day so your not buying more gas the day before or the day after, use public transportation, walk, run, ride a bike! Yes some of the figures are incorrect, like the 4.6 billion used per day, its more like 750 million dollars per day is spent on gas. But that is besides the point, you guys all sit here and trash the idea, and use the same stupid comments like people always use on this site to bash me, "HEY IB, YOU MUST BE SMOKING, HEE HEE", OR "HEY YOU BE SMOKIN TO MUCH HUH HUH HEE HEE" thats so stupid, like you can't come up with anything more original, I don't care if I look like a dork, nor do I care that some people I have never actually met and probally never will, think such.
I thought it sounded like a good idea, and on September the 1rst which is this coming thursday I will limit my driving the entire day and not buy any gas at all.

Sooooo, it's ignorance that allows people to see right through these great ideas and realize that they will have absolutely no effect whatsoever on the oil companies? I agree that there are things we can do but the one with the most likelyhood of success is to change our usage habits over the long term. Boycotting for one day or even a week won't change anything if we all go back to the same pattern as before. Other alternatives have been mentioned in this thread and others that will make an impact.

FYI: The difference between $4.6 billion and $750 million is rather huge and it is directly related to "the point" (which is to make oil companies take notice I presume).

My biggest issue with all of this (and why I picked it apart) is that I spend some effort to avoid/block/delete the spam email that floods so many people on a daily basis. Then, I read the forum and see the exact same stuff that I avoid in the email so it kinda defeats the purpose. Maybe it's just me...

Troy

[Troy]

It seems to me certain people are adamant about the idea of any kind of govermental regulation of gas pricing.Why should gas prices not be regulated?Don't give me the story about democracy,free enterprise, and the capitalist dream.The government( State and/or Federal) has laws and regulations about every other
thing in our lives.Cigarette and milk prices are regulated.Why not gas?We are losing more freedom everyday
so we might as well have something else regulated.It is not only Opec that is bending us over the pumps.It takes the company that pumps it out of the ground,the refineries, the state and federal governments with taxes and some for the company at the pump.Let us not forget the all knowing financial gods of Wall Street.
The analysists that scream the sky is falling a year before it is suppose to happen.I guess they look into their crystal ball and predict the future.Why do the gas prices go up immediately but when it goes down it takes 2 weeks to change at the pump?
Bottom line is nobody wants to do anything in this country about anything.We have become a flock of sheep and follow what our politicians tell us is good for us.A government by the people for the people?
Not anymore.It's just a game of the rich get richer and the the working class man is the pawn.

When gas prices spiked after 9/11 the government came down hard on anyone found to be price gouging. Good for them. Regulating the price is not a long term solution and only hurts the economy in the long run (see the 1970s and the links on the thread about lowering the speed limit). The whole milk fiasco is a prime example of how NOT to do it. We (the citizens) will end up paying for it either way. Cigarette prices are taxed and regulated because they are a cash cow and the government weaseled their way into that under the guise of making life better for everyone. Cigarettes are proven to be harmful but you'll notice that instead of banning them the taxes are set at just the right amount to keep people from quitting (and every so often they go up because people get accustomed to the price and won't balk at small increases). If the government regulated gasoline then a whole new level of bureaucracy would crop up and, like everything else, it will be slow, inefficient, and wracked by poor decisions. In 10 years people will be complaining about how bad the government is managing gasoline but by then it will be too difficult to pry it away from them. Can you imagine how much taxes would have to go up to subsidize gasoline prices by even $.30? You are right, everybody in the supply chain takes a little chunk for themselves already - even  the government. Lets give them a bigger piece and hope they don't abuse it... 

I do think it would be nice if people made it clear that gas companies were tweaking prices and that it won't be tolerated. I don't see that happening though. Have you noticed that gas goes up on Thursday and down on Tuesday no matter what happens in the market? Here last week gas jumped $.21 overnight on Thursday even though the prices on oil dropped the day before. Gas prices go up in the summer and skyrocket on high traffic holidays. Those increases are purely money grabs (but I guess you could blame supply/demand for a small part). If anything should be regulated that would be a good place to start. I agree with this: "Why do the gas prices go up immediately but when it goes down it takes 2 weeks to change at the pump?" I've been wondering that myself for a long time.

FYI: I grew up in a family that should have been on welfare but doesn't believe in it. I didn't have any new clothing until I was in Junior High -  we bought second hand clothes and then I got hand-me-downs from my older brother before that. My only toys were whatever I could find outside or, in rare cases, gifts from others. We didn't have any brand name food and we got a lot of donations from our community and church. My mom would clip coupons for hours each week and never bought anything that wasn't on sale. I remember a string of really ratty cars and I can only assume they were given to us or we got them cheap. We struggled but managed to survive and make a better life. It taught me a lot about being frugal with my money and also that I never wanted to go through that again. I have had to pay my own way for everything since I got my first job at 15. My parents worked (and still work) in factories and production line jobs and their bodies are paying for it now. I put myself through college by working as many as 5 jobs at a time and sleeping in the parking lot so I wouldn't miss class. Even then, it took a long time and a lot of sacrifices to make things better. I'm not rich but I have very few bills and make a decent living (when there's work to be found). Whenever I need motivation, all I have to do is remember my childhood and how hard things really can be if I let them. So, if I sound like I have no sympathy for whiners there's the reason. There are people who really do suffer and can't seem to catch a break. There are many others who don't try and expect more than they deserve. Yeah, I know that's completely off topic...

Troy

[hemihead]

No disrespect to you but I came from a Blue Collar family, I'm Blue Collar.My Dad was protected and helped by
The Teamsters who saw that the common guy wasn't shafted by greedy companies.He made enough money to buy a house and raise a family.But it seems to me you forget where you came from and what it was like for Joe Average.Everything you say seems to support the greed.The common people built this country into what it is.How much can the people take?

[Troy]

And I've seen unions destroy companies by enforcing labor agreements that hurt the bottom line (which causes bankruptcy so no one has a job). Check out the airlines to see how bad this system works. Should the workers have representation? Of course. Can it be handled better? Of course. Is anything perfect? No. Does this country depend on the blue collar workers and have they played a huge role in the strength and history of it? Absolutely. Why does it have to be us vs them? How many blue collar employers have been successful with poor management? Everyone has a role. Have I forgotten where I came from? No - I just don't want to go back there.

I've learned much in my life and I'm choosing my own path. I have always been performance based. I will never work for any place that offers promotion based solely on seniority. If that means I identify with CEOs instead of grocery baggers, line workers, and widget assemblers then so be it. I've worked at too many places with too many lazy people to let them hold me back from my potential. When I work I always give 110% whether it's bartending, pulling orders in a warehouse, stocking shelves, answering phones, entering data, loading ski lifts, teaching, cashiering, or writing program code. Call it greedy if you must but I get bored easily and must be challenged in some way. If I can use my desire to learn new things to improve my lot in life then why is that wrong? Why can't others? Unfortunately, at times, it's the idea that people must conform to some ideal or follow their parents footsteps that causes them to miss out on opportunities. My parents would be disappointed if I were doing what they do or living paycheck to paycheck in a job with no opportunity to advance. I barely got to see them when I was younger and when I did they were exhausted. I can learn from their mistakes (and my own) and choose to make a better life. Not only that, but I would be miserable doing anything else.

I consider myself to be a fairly common individual and by all statistics I *am* Joe Average. The only way I could become even more average is to get married and have 2.5 kids and a mortgage.

Troy

[bull]

It seems to me certain people are adamant about the idea of any kind of govermental regulation of gas pricing.Why should gas prices not be regulated?Don't give me the story about democracy,free enterprise, and the capitalist dream.The government( State and/or Federal) has laws and regulations about every other
thing in our lives.Cigarette and milk prices are regulated.Why not gas?

Because the price per barrel would not change and the difference paid to OPEC would have to be offset through taxation. Gas prices would go down but taxes would go up so we still would have to pay for it indirectly. But if it makes you feel better to pay 40%-50% taxes and $1.50/gallon for gas I guess that's an option. Price fixing doesn't work any better when the govt. does it. And I would venture to say the reason cigarettes and milk prices are regulated (if they are, I don't know) is due to farm subsidies. The fed pays farmers subsidies, which are comprised of tax money, to regulate their crop output. Surprise! Tobacco and milk are considered crops. Now if you want to talk about fuels created via processed crops, such as ethanol you would have a case, even though we'd still be paying for it through taxation. Just remember the consumer ALWAYS pays. There's no such thing as a free lunch, or tank of gas.

[The Mad Scientist]

Last I heard it was the price of crude that was up.  

I appoligize if Ive misunderstood. But I believe your under the impression that gas and crude oil are two different things? Well, yes AND no. I use to be confused as to why the price of crude oil affected gas prices. Their completly different things...right? Not exactly. You see:

Crude oil is released from the Earth. It is then processed via boiling, compression, etc. by oil companies. Well, in a vertical container this process is happening. Heavier substances fall lower while lighter substances float higher. In due time their will be several different substances seperated with the above process. Eventually we have diesiel floating lower in the container and gasoline floating higher, and thier all in that SAME container. Their are other fuels as well, but I cant remember them all. Then they remove these substances. The gas goes one way, the diesiel another, followed by all the other individualized fuels. And ALL of this is derived from crude oil. They call it "Crude" because its raw and natural and needs to be dealt with inorder to seperate its   "ingriedients."

Charged

Right, aside from diesel, various solvents, butane, isobutane (propane) etc. etc.   isin't one of these variouis by products created in the refining process the lovely hydrocarbon fuel most cars run on commonly called "gasoline"?

If you have to pay more for crude (over 65 bucks a barel right now) won't you have to pay more for all its' by products???

That was my point.   I was a little vague I guess, with the "last I heard it was the price of crude that was up."  I suppse a better thing to say would have been "Last I heard it was the price of crude going up that was causing the problem ( damn OPEC)."

[Charged]

At this point "The Mad Scientist" I feel that Im insulting your intelligence. Because Im still thinking that you dont realize that If crude goes up, then anything derived from it goes up...including gasoline, because its derived from crude.

However, I do realize that it takes the most unintelligent person on Earth to not grasp such a fundamental concept of business. And I know that Im NOT lucky enough to have just met the most unintelligent person on Earth via dodgecharger.com. Therefore, I know at this point that Im just confused with the point your trying to express. Therefore I appoligize for causing all this due to my personal misunderstanding.

Charged

[nh_mopar_fan]

Nice idea.

too bad it won't work. This has been around for a long time. Everyt time gas prices creep up, it makes a re-appearance.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/gasout.htm

[gsmopar]

September 1st is opening day of Dove season!   

[Steve P.]

I agree that not buying for one day would not hurt the gas companies. Though I do believe that when the masses take a stand things are normally taken more seriously..

Why isn't there a bigger push for alternate fuels??

Why isn't there some incentive for companies to spread out so people are not traveling an hour to and from their jobs??

Why aren't we using more of the suns energy??

Why aren't the Iraqi's filling our tankers if they LOVE US SOOOOOO MUCH??

Why is Jimmy Johnson so freaky about his hair??

Why does anyone watch REALITY shows??

Why did the chicken cross the road??

Why do I get gassy every time I drive by a Mc Donalds??

Why are women so infactuated with diamonds??

Why do the birds go on singing??

[sandman21]

I am with gsmopar....I thought this was thread for the opening day of dove season.  It is like Christmas day in my family....have fun whoever is going.

[Lowprofile]

My  worth......
I think we can make more of a impact on our fuel/energy problems by changing the way we live our daily lives. Changing the way we drive, consolidating our errands, car pool, use public transit a few days a week, ride a bike or a motorcycle to work. Buy a small car for your commute to work, etc etc......... There are so many small things we can do to conserve energy...... At home & at work. At the end of the day, those small things add up.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

 

Tell ya what Troy; why don't you just keep talking - that way I don't have to enter the conversation...

[Troy]

Tell ya what Troy; why don't you just keep talking - that way I don't have to enter the conversation...

You work(ed) for the research place - where'd all that data go?

Troy

[The Mad Scientist]

If you have to pay more for crude (over 65 bucks a barel right now) won't you have to pay more for all its' by products???

I was being sarcastic.   And I've said once unclearly and once with sarcasm exactly what you've said.   I'd speak plainly but I'm too much of a jerk for that.  

Apology accepted, you seemed confused with some of the details of petrollium distillation, so I'll educate you.

Here's how the fractional distillation of petroleum   works...

Crude oil is heated to a temp. hot enough to vaporize all its' components

The hot vapors flow to the bottom of a fractionating tower which is warmer towards the bottom.   As vapors rise and cool the components condense at various levels of heat.   Hydrocarbons that have higher boiling points like tar condense first at the warmer tempratures.   Hydrocarbons with lower boiling points like gasoline travel and condense at the top of the fractionating tower where it's cooler.   Pipes at various levels carry away these components.   The exclusion to this is natural gas, methane mostly which does not condense but is collected at the top of the tower.  

starting at the top of the fractionating tower going down...

Natural gas

Gasoline

Kerosene

Diesel

Lubricating stocks

Tar

[IBsmokin]

so I take it everyone is still going to buy gas on the 1rst?

[Troy]

so I take it everyone is still going to buy gas on the 1rst?

The only thing that I will be doing on the 1st is going to work. It's 35 miles each way so I can't bike it or walk. I won't need gas before then so I won't be buying any on that day. Does that count?

Troy