is this a real 1969 charger 500

[BigBlockSam]

i saw this on ebay. it's got the rear window plug but the grill is wrong. what do you guys think. Rene

[Charger Aficionado]

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He did acknowlege the incorrect grille here:
"correct grille comes with car.Car is original 440,Automatic."

Face it.  500 grille was UGLY.   

[tan top]

looks genuine ,  pity the guy did not post a picture of the fender tag

[hemigeno]

From the looks of the engine compartment, it was probably an F8 car originally.  Looks legit though. 

[BigBlockSam]

sorry i didn't put the link in. i was so tired when i started this thread. what do you guys think it should sell for? 

[PocketThunder]

Nice.  this will give me a very good indication of what my car is worth in ebay dollars..  its basically the same car in about the same condition except i dont have the original 440.

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

chu talkin bout aficianado the 500 grille was sweet looking, that cars a mess tho takes years 2 fix that one, u see that patch panel on the lower quarter? OUCH-MATT

[hemi68charger]

From the looks of the engine compartment, it was probably an F8 car originally.  Looks legit though. 

Troy

[Ghoste]

I'm with the Punk, the grille is not ugly.

[Charger_Fan]

A long time ago I thought the grille was ugly, but it's definitely grown on me...probably about the same time I discovered how rare those cars are.

[Charger Aficionado]

its basically the same car in about the same condition except i dont have the original 440.

NEITHER does he... 

I knew I'd start controversy w/ that comment on the grille, but I prefer the 69 grille over all of them... 

There is rumor about a '69 C500 in Merced Ca by the UHAUL there that was for sale YEARS ago.  The gent I bought my first '69 from went to see it but HATED the grille, and let it pass for $500 bucks.

[nascarxx29]

Other then the grille change it looks like a 69 500. It has the typical backwindow

[BigBlockSam]

I discussed it with my wife this morning and  she left it up to me. i think i'm gonna pass on it. i think $25000 is a little to much for that car. lotsa rust, non original motor. if it was $20000 , i would be going to look at the car as we speak. rust is hard to fix correctly. i sure would luv to own a rare car like that one . Rene

[Charger Aficionado]

I don't know...  In today's market you may be suprised...  Watch her go for 30k... 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I asked for the full VIN for the registry & still no reply

[WINGMAN]

  I bet 40 K

[nascarxx29]

Here is another green 69 charger 500 that has come out hiding 

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[69_500]

Man I'm off the board for another 2 weeks and 500's are coming out of the wood work.


I've probably been told about 8 new Charger 500's in the past few weeks in large thanks to the article that they put in the Winged Warriors Newsletter. Talked to an origional owner of a HEMI 500. That was interesting.

[PocketThunder]

21 hours left, i would bet there are no more bids on this car besides the sellers friend....

[BigBlockSam]

21 hours left, i would bet there are no more bids on this car besides the sellers friend

[Highbanked Hauler]

Man I'm off the board for another 2 weeks and 500's are coming out of the wood work.


I've probably been told about 8 new Charger 500's in the past few weeks in large thanks to the article that they put in the Winged Warriors Newsletter. Talked to an origional owner of a HEMI 500. That was interesting.

If you come across a B5 blue 500 SE with a build sheet PM me,  Al

[69_500]

I'm still on the look out for that ever elussive B5 blue SE 500 you mentioned AL. Do you still have the broadcast sheet for it? I don't have any vin info for a B5 SE car.

chris did he ever give you any information on the green car as to if it is a real 500 or not? I got a blurry photo of the fender tag. Tough to make out many of the codes, but it is a legit 500 from what I see. Only thing is he blocked off the last 4 digits to the VIN.

[nascarxx29]

Wasnt there a B5 blue SE 500 from Canada.My friend has A B5 blue AC car and kept up with how often he seen or knew of another B5 charger 500 This B5 is probably Als

[Highbanked Hauler]

Wasnt there a B5 blue SE 500 from Canada.My friend has A B5 blue AC car and kept up with how often he seen or knew of another B5 charger 500 This B5 is probably Als

http://www.larsonpage.com/public/2001/cars/intrepid/c500-a300.JPG

Nope,not mine.Its got black wheels and a black stripe.  The Canadian SE has a later production number than mine beginning with a (2).The SE build sheet I have begins with something like 163.Ill dig it out after I move which should be soon.

[69_500]

Hey Al,

If you would when you do dig up the broadcast sheet, then I'd love to know if I could get a copy of it? I've been going over broadcast sheet's that I have and been noticing a few little odds and ends items. I always on the look out for the broadcast sheet for your car as well.

[nascarxx29]

.Another 69 500 has come to the surface.RM auctions has listed in hemmings a silver 1969 500 of Buddy Arringtons.That car used to live near me it was a Y4 spanish gold AC car.J Benson got it from Francis B of Moultrie GA

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

yes there is a 69500se b5 blue here in canada, in british columbia in fact-MATT

[Ghoste]

For what it's worth, the silver 500 at RM didn't sell over the weekend.  The reserve on it was 200,000 and it only bid to 120,000 so it went back to Quebec.  I took a lot of pictures of it including the fender tag just in case that info isn't already known.  It is also sporting a nastly looking (but small) dent at the lower forward edge of the passenger door and down into the rocker panel and rocker moulding.

[BigBlockSam]

share some pics with us............Please

[Ghoste]

I will.  I won't have them back until the weekend.  I'm still using one of those antiquated 35mm with film and stuff.

[69_500]

Ah come one photo's would be great. I know I'm slow at posting pics too. I still haven't posted any of Monster MOpar weekend, but that computer crashed and I lost all my information on it, so I don't think I'll ever be able to post those pics.

[Ghoste]

Not to worry, I will post them.  I should have the film back tomorrow.

[69_500]

I'll keep pestering.  

[nascarxx29]

This 69 500 Troy 68 charger mentioned as a Original H51 a/c '69 C500 auto car that appears red .Reminds me of a guy I knew when I lived in TX .Randy P had found a R6 red AC car in MO city TX.And sold it to this other guy in the area.I have his name and vin somewhere for it


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[69_500]

I don't have very many R6 red 500's period that I've seen. I've seen 2 HEMI's, but other than that I can only think of 1 440 car off the top of my head.

[Charger_Fan]

Here is another green 69 charger 500 that has come out hiding 

Damn!
One of those pics is definitely going in the "worst paint jobs" thread.

[Ghoste]

Here's one of the door damage.

[Ghoste]

Here's a closeup.  As I said, it isn't big but it's not pretty.

[Ghoste]

Buddy's autograph on the hood latch apron.

[Charger_Fan]

That looks like you're talking about this car then. I still dislike those rims.

[Ghoste]

Yes, my apologies, I thought everyone knew which car I meant.  I'm with you on the rims btw.

[69_500]

Still would be one of the great driver 500's out there.

[Ghoste]

According to the display board he had set up, he drives it frequently.  It currently belongs to Sidney Nemes of Cote Saint Luc, Quebec.  I wouldn't ordinarily post that info but since he had it on the display board, it isn't exactly being kept a secret.

[Charger_Fan]

Still would be one of the great driver 500's out there.

I certainly wouldn't kick it out of the garage.

[nascarxx29]

Thats my friends old 69 Y 4 gold AC 69 500 XS29L9B157499

[Ghoste]

Your friend wouldn't happen to have any original documentation regarding the car would he?  Danny and I have been going back and forth that the current fender tag is fake and you have just inadvertently helped to confirm that.

[nascarxx29]

The car was from Francis Burley of Moultrie Ga .He sold it to J Benson of PA who lived in NJ near me.When Dave Patik from PCG was in my area at a show .I took him to meet the owner and he seen this car.He might have recorded the tag info

[Ghoste]

Well, it'd be very interesting to compare it to the tag that's on there now.

[69_500]

I'm about 99% sure the one you sent the photo of is a fake. That doesn't mean it wasn't copied from an origional by anymeans. Just a few of the things scream NOT REAL>

[Ghoste]

Right now Danny, the best I'd be willing to give it is, "based on an original".  There are enough discrepancies to say it's likely a forgery.

[69_500]

Guess I shouldn't say 99% but thats how I feel. I'm close to adding the .99% to make it almost a definate.

[Ghoste]

I'm probably 99%.

[69_500]

I've stared at that photo for hours now. Many of those things just don't add up to me. It just doesn't make any sense unless its a fake tag.

[Ghoste]

Well, let's put it up here for everyone else to judge.  It isn't like the tag was being hidden from private eyes so there are probably a few pics of it floating around out there now.

[nascarxx29]

Like I said all along its a Y4 gold car as indicated by the Y4 seen on the fender tag.Not white or silver.And the H51 code for Air conditioning is there.But if I recall correctly the story in mopar muscle .When this car was on the cover.Said they took 2 69 500s to make this one.You would have to check trunk rail and etc .To see if the actual 157499 numbers are there

[hemi68charger]

How come there's no A11?.....  There should be........ If it's an early production C500, then it should probably have XS as well instead of XX...

Naaaaaaaaa, something gives........ Or, I've missed something..........

Troy

[hemigeno]

How come there's no A11?..... 

  I thought the same thing.

It's a repro tag, for certain.  Original tags would have a crease by the left side screw.  As the cars were going down the assembly line, the tag was affixed to the inner fender by the left screw only, and bent upwards so that paint got underneath the tag (to prevent rust).  They later pushed the tag down and installed the second screw, which didn't have any body-color paint on it.  There's always a tell-tale crease from the bending process.

V1X?  Vinyl Top??  Ummmm, I don't think so...

There's also no pitting on that tag.  Look at the inner fender right around there, and you can see pitting everywhere else, so how did the tag remain pristine? 

The Body color (Y4) should also be listed twice, once for body color, and the other for the roof color.

I also don't think R35 was available in B-Body cars - that was a C-body radio IIRC.

It all adds up to a Repro tag...  You guys were right-on in questioning the tag.  That doesn't mean the car isn't a legit 500, but the tag isn't factory original.

[69_500]

Ah come on Gene how did you miss the VON?  Where is the 925.
On the bright side though you guys all said the same things that I had said when Ghoste first emailed me a photo of the tag. The V1X was a total give away, as well as the R35 Radio. The missing A11 i have seen on 1 tag so far. So that I don't guess would be a total give away, however I haven't seen any without the 925xxx for the VON. The other give away to me was the missing XS on the fender tag. Production date is way too early to have XX.

[hemi68charger]

Ah come on Gene how did you miss the VON?  Where is the 925.
On the bright side though you guys all said the same things that I had said when Ghoste first emailed me a photo of the tag. The V1X was a total give away, as well as the R35 Radio. The missing A11 i have seen on 1 tag so far. So that I don't guess would be a total give away, however I haven't seen any without the 925xxx for the VON. The other give away to me was the missing XS on the fender tag. Production date is way too early to have XX.

Ahhh, thanks Danny......  More info..........

Troy

[Charger_Fan]

I was also thinking that there should be a punch thru or two, like '70 tags have...



...or am I mistaken?

[hemigeno]

Grant,

The St. Louis plant did the punch-throughs.  Hamtramck often had a small separate tag that had an imprint of the inspector's mark.  They were supposed to sign off on each car before it left the plant, but I've only seen the punch-throughs on St. Louis fender tags.

I'm sure I've got a picture (or maybe someone else has one handy) of that small tag with the inspector's mark somehwere.

Geno

[Charger_Fan]

Grant,

The St. Louis plant did the punch-throughs.  Hamtramck often had a small separate tag that had an imprint of the inspector's mark.  They were supposed to sign off on each car before it left the plant, but I've only seen the punch-throughs on St. Louis fender tags.

I'm sure I've got a picture (or maybe someone else has one handy) of that small tag with the inspector's mark somehwere.

Geno

Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't too certain how they did the '69 tags, thanks.

[nascarxx29]

On my 440 daytona under the left fender tag screw.There is the thin metal strip that says 1G.Ive heard that the strip of metal was longer.And got shorter as the car got random inspected.Leaving this remaining short piece with the inspectors ID remaining

[69_500]

Jerry Nerramore's 500 still has a huge portion of the metal tag under the fender tag. His car is the only one that comes to mind for me as having a big piece of that inspection tag left. My sunroof car had about half of the tag remaining.