ZL-1 Camaro, $860k and reserve STILL not met

[Stormhammer]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4568864225&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT#ebayphotohosting

[Wakko]

 

People that would buy that use a Daytona as a daily driver. 

[Drache]

The bloody starting bid was $775,000 

[Silver R/T]

nice car but bit too much $$ theyre asking

[bull]

I've never liked the '69-up Camaro. If I were to buy one it would be a '67 or '68, and I wouldn't spend $800k+ on any car(even if I had it).

[tomonty]

Even if it is rare, I still don't see what is so special about it. Looks like a plain old camaro. Then again, I was never impressed with the looks of the camaros

[Lowprofile]

I've owned a few 69's in the past, including a Z/28. Its one of the best cars to come out of GM. My opinion. As far as the Money/Rarity of the car, Isn't there another thread on here somewhere where a guy wants $5 Million dollars for a Hemi Cuda Convertable??

The ZL-1 Camaro was a race ready car, just like the light weight AFX Cars of the early 60's ie; Ford Thunderbolts, Coronet 440's, 62'Pontiac Bonneville's etc......
The car, just like the Hemi Cuda, is a part of the history of the Muscle Car Era, and we should at least respect it.

Just My  

[Drache]

Ok I've seen a couple ZL1 camaros for sale and I must say... I've never yet seen one go over $200,000! What makes this one special I'll never know. I mean, the bloody thing only has a 302....

[tin_soldier]

What makes any camero speical???  I mean they are nice the older ones more so.  But to me they are in the same ball park as a mustang.  Everyone has got it and no offense but the mustang was designed for women in mind.   

[Lowprofile]

Ok I've seen a couple ZL1 camaros for sale and I must say... I've never yet seen one go over $200,000! What makes this one special I'll never know. I mean, the bloody thing only has a 302....

No. It has an all Aluminum 427ci Engine. It is a race ready car that, out of the box [dealer preped] Will give ANY car a run for their money.

BTW,   Z/28's have the 302ci engine.

[Charger_Fan]

Ok I've seen a couple ZL1 camaros for sale and I must say... I've never yet seen one go over $200,000! What makes this one special I'll never know. I mean, the bloody thing only has a 302....

No. It has an all Aluminum 427ci Engine. It is a race ready car that, out of the box [dealer preped] Will give ANY car a run for their money.

Exactly!
The ZL1 is the ultimate Camaro, built for one reason only...to keep up with lightweight Mopar's at the strip.

Oh & they only made 69 of them too.

[Stormhammer]

427s... Chevy Hemi's hehe

yea - just because of their low numbers and their reputation, as well as the condition that its in, I think it does deserve its price 

in the end its only worth what someone will pay for - but admit - its tsill nice as hell

[Lowprofile]

What makes any Camaro special??? I mean they are nice the older ones more so. But to me they are in the same ball park as a mustang. Everyone has got it and no offense but the mustang was designed for women in mind.

As far as making any Camaro special, What makes any car special? It's a personal thing more than anything else, don't you think??

As far as the second comment concerning the Mustang, Well I'll just let that one hang there. Maybe someday you'll realize how silly a comment it is

[SirNik73]

I don't know about the sales objectives of the Mustang, but i know Carroll Shelby called the original Mustang a Secretary's car.

that Camaro is like a the Race Ready A bodys with the 426 Hemis, and i'd buy one of the Barracudas for Darts with a Hemi before that Camaro and i'd never pay that much for a car.

[70charginglizard]

Even if it is rare, I still don't see what is so special about it. Looks like a plain old camaro. Then again, I was never impressed with the looks of the camaros

[andy74]

they are fast as hell,slicks and headers made them 11 second factory cars!

[70charginglizard]

they are fast as hell,slicks and headers made them 11 second factory cars!

it's still "just another camaro.

[Brock Samson]

   Actually there were 1969 ZL-1 Camaros built...

...What's really, really, really rare are the two ZL-1 Corvettes, my dream/s car till i realized...     MOPARS RULE!!!!     


Vette # 1.     http://www.corvette.nl/specials/69zl1.html


Vette # 2.     http://www.rogerscorvette.com/spots/feb98/spot.htm


BTW interesting questions at the bottom of the auction...

[mustanghater]

its all up hill from here, pintos will start going for 100,000 and chargers will be million dollar cars

[Stormhammer]

hmm - speaking of pintos

a guy around here sorta restored one 

with a 429 boss in it 

[Wakko]

  Actually there were 1969 ZL-1 Camaros built...

No, there were 69 of them built.  Just slicks would put them in the 10s.  50 of them were ordered for Gibb and 19 for general population.

[andy74]

wakko is correct, i looked through my extensive magazine collection last night,Andy

[Brock Samson]

 Sorry fellas.. 

"Additionally there were 1969 ZL1 Camaros produced"

from the 1st ZL-1 article...

[cudaken]

 I just so may have happen to see the Vet ZL-1 engine in St Louis around 1886. I was at AMT Machine shop and there on a stand was a Beer Can Rat that had been hurt real bad. Pitched a rod out the side but was repaired, Chad told me the owner spent something like $4000.00 to have the blocked fixed and they where doing the bulid. I was shocked and ask why? Said it was a ZL-1 427, that is why. Wonder if it might have been the Vet engine. I would swear he said it was from a vet but that was a long time ago and I really did not care.

                                   Cuda Ken

[Stormhammer]

I just so may have happen to see the Vet ZL-1 engine in St Louis around 1886. I was at AMT Machine shop and there on a stand was a Beer Can Rat that had been hurt real bad. Pitched a rod out the side but was repaired, Chad told me the owner spent something like $4000.00 to have the blocked fixed and they where doing the bulid. I was shocked and ask why? Said it was a ZL-1 427, that is why. Wonder if it might have been the Vet engine. I would swear he said it was from a vet but that was a long time ago and I really did not care.

                                   Cuda Ken

please tell me you mean 1996... or something 

[Drache]

People that would buy that use a Daytona as a daily driver.  

What do you mean? I used to drive around in a daytona for the longest time! 

[Charger_Fan]

All 3 books I've got on ZL1's say there were only 69 built too. The funny thing is that 2 books say there was only one Vette made & the other sez there were two...they both only have pics of the white one. I have always assumed that there was only one.
Nice find on that yellow one, I've never seen that before!

[Brock Samson]

I remember that back in '69 They were running the ZL=1s in Vettes at Le mans and the things would set all these records in qualifiying and for the first few laps at speeds in excess of 200 MPH, These were GT class cars keeping up with the group 6 and 7 Prototypes but then the aluminum blocks would warp and the engines would explode.
If i remeber correctly, I  read about speeds of 220 mph and the shark fronts lifting and stuff on the old musslaine straight which was about 2 miles long,.. (now it's gotta kink in the middle) later, the "Batmobile Spirt of '76 vettes added all these air damms and stuff which cured alot of these lift problems but they sure were some awsome speeds with the 427 ZL-1 vettes.. ussually though they were the L=88s. My best friends dad had a 'green '68.. anyhow..
    Hummm,..   I wonder if they would'a used a HEMI?...

" ZL-1 Corvette
Chevrolet actually did offer the ZL-1 engine as Corvette RPO ZL1. The oft repeated but unverified production quantity is three. One fully documented car survives, a yellow hardtop, VIN 194379S729219, currently on display at Roger's Corvette Center, Maitland (near Orlando), Florida. A white hardtop also is in a private collection, sans factory documentation. Several other Corvette ZL-1 cars have appeared, but only the one is believed to be fully documented."

from..
http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml

[Charger_Fan]

WOAH!
Nice link, Strat! That's a great read, thanks for finding that!

Did you read the little part in there warning possible cloners trying to pass their cars off as actual ZL-1 cars?

For those wishing to "create" a ZL-1 Camaro using one of the 69 VIN's, a word of caution. There is unpublished dealer paperwork for most of the cars that could be used to prove the car to be a non-original.

hehe

[Old Moparz]

Speaking of Camaros, how about a brand new 1969 ragtop?

http://www.corbettsauto.com/1969_camaro_new_body_parts.htm

I was never a big Camaro fan, but the 60's models were okay. I'd give this one some thought if I were to ever get bored with rusty Mopars. It's hardly a possibility with me currently, but I love this concept of new, old cars. There was rumor they were considering the E-Body Barracuda as well, but we'll see. A 1971 Barracuda kit car? I'd use mine as a parts car in a second.  

[Charger_Fan]

I thought I heard somewhere that GM put the kaibosh on that? Something to do with copyright laws...maybe I'm wrong?

Anyway regardless, I'd sure entertain thoughts of building one of those if I could afford it. Just imagine...a completely rust-free musclecar!

[Old Moparz]

According to the last ad I just saw, (forget which current magazine) they finally have permission & the licensing arrangements sorted out.

[IBsmokin]

TWINKLE   TWINKLE

[6pkrunner]

There were only 69 COPO ZL1 Camaros produced in 1969. Total aluminum 427. Made like the SS cudas and Darts to race on the track. The production quality of the blocks was well below par and they didn't hold up particularly well. Fred Gibb's Chevrolet got 50 of the total 69.  Guys like Grumpy Jenkins abandoned trying to get the ZL1 to hold together and ran the Cast iron block with the aluminum heads. They got them to go faster than the ZL1s. Block strength, rigidity, and porosity were are problem areas for them. But it was a production car and like the hemi Darts and cudas allowed them to legally race. A very expensive failure for Chev. But in Chev numbers 69 is ultra rare when a production run is in the hundreds of thousands.
The COPO ZLI, like the hemi Darts were the base 270 model, started off as a baseline lowest line 6 cylinder Camaro and was just given enough to get her going. No frills at all. 427/400TH/ 12 bolt.
The very first ZL1 was found 12 years ago or so and was restored back to as race prepped by Gibb's Chevrolet. Not as left the factory but in race trim. Lace paintjob and all. A very rare piece.

[Brock Samson]

 I know I've gone off on a corvette tangent here, but hey, so what?..,   

http://www.greenwoodcorvettes.com/C01Gallery.html

[Lowprofile]

Hey Strat, Here's a Corvette for your "collection".......

[Brock Samson]

yeah, in me youth I wanted Fly yellow, black hesitation stripped, tee-topped 427 like that one for the street,..
but finished like the Balwin Motion Phase III SS-427s only with a ZL-1...   http://www.yenko.net/features/2001/June2001.htm
named...      ..."Dolly Dagger"
  ah,.. a kid can dream.

BTW:
I can just make out his license plate,
and it says...
    "My Other Car Is A Sebring"..   

[Brock Samson]

well,.. since were on the subject of "other" cars... how'd yaliketo have this guys car keys?... think ya could keep 'em all straight?.. 

  http://corvettes-musclecars.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi

[Charger_Fan]

well,.. since were on the subject of "other" cars... how'd yaliketo have this guys car keys?... think ya could keep 'em all straight?..  

  http://corvettes-musclecars.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi

I've got that guy's collection bookmarked too.
That's where I thought the "only" ZL1 Vette was.

That Kevin guy sure does have the lion's share of neat rare stuff...the lucky dog.

[Lowprofile]

Obviously, It is very good to be Kevin.