My next project....after the Deora

[Magnumcharger]

I really want to build this car! And I actually know where there is a Charger with the roof cut off already.
What I'm debating is whether I should build it as the "Topless Charger", or the "Supercharger" it later became....
Thoughts?

[Magnumcharger]

And the other versiion: Supercharger

[Magnumcharger]

This MIGHT be the car, depending on whether it's for sale.

[greenpigs]

Supercharger

[Charger Aficionado]

Thoughts?  If you do it like Ma' MoPar, you will have MANY bugs on the forehead! 

[BigBlockSam]

super charger, very cool car.

[dads_69]

I've riden in the org. supercharger. It's since been retored last time I saw it was back in 1991 at a Bell, Wa. car show in it's org. cond. back then. It went to Penn. State for restoration and thats the last I heard of it. I believe a man named Dave redone the car. The car you show in a photo is something else for sure with the roof cut off of it.
Mark
It was the summer of 1991, not 1992. My mistake. I believe it was a not the owner of the car that gave the 5 or so minute ride also, but hey, I wasn't gonna turn it down! I do have photos somewhere also. I'll post what I have soon as I find them.

[Magnumcharger]

I've riden in the org. supercharger. It's since been retored last time I saw it was back in 1992 at a Bell, Wa. car show in it's org. cond. back then. It went to Penn. State for restoration and thats the last I heard of it. I believe a man named Dave redone the car. The car you show in a photo is something else for sure with the roof cut off of it.
Mark

You Sir, are a VERY lucky Man!
I wonder where the car is now???

[gtx6970]

All because the supercharger still exists, I would have to do the topless charger version.

[dodgecharger-fan]

That's a tough question...

I like the overall look of the SuperCharger, but there were some things done to it to make it roadworthy that kinda messed up the look.

The biggest of those things is the side mirrors that were added - see the picture with the guy behind the wheel.

Looking at the same thing on the Topless, the side mirrors are way up front on the fenders - odd but unique in a good way, IMO.

I say go SuperCharger if you're going show car - not on the road.

Go Topless Charger if you want to drive it.

[chargerrt]

the Supercharger looks like it's about 40 feet long!!!

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

1st off where the hell did all those pics of topless 68 come from???

and 2ndly i vote for the 68 version, looks way cooler-MATT

[Silver R/T]

no roof really takes away from real Charger, its not longer a Charger.
What about body reinforcement, did you think about that?

[kab69440]

A properly installed set of those US Cartool sub connectors will give more support to the body than the roof could ever hope to. Go for it.

[Silver R/T]

^^^^^ lenghtwise yes, but what about width wise....I dont think so. Thats why convertible cars these days are much more well built up internally to be rigid without roof.

[Magnumcharger]

^^^^^ lenghtwise yes, but what about width wise....I dont think so. Thats why convertible cars these days are much more well built up internally to be rigid without roof.

As anybody who has rebuilt any unibody Mopar product would know, a convertible version has a few "add-ons" from the factory to reduce torsional action between the front and rear frame sections.
The Charger R/T I am currently rebuilding is benefitting from the factory style torque boxes in addition to subframe connectors that don't just bolt in, but are integral to the chassis itself.
On a topless version of same, to supplant the stiffening attributes formally attributed to the roof, a series of braces would be incorporated throughout the body, similar to - but not exactly the same as a rollcage.
Additional latches would be added to the doors connecting to the braces running inside the quarter panels.
A loop would run under the cowl, then forward along the shear panels to the frame rails adjacent to the radiator support.
The effect would be triangulation of the chassis, not only on the longitudinal axis, but transverse as well.

[Magnumcharger]

no roof really takes away from real Charger, its not longer a Charger.
What about body reinforcement, did you think about that?

What is a Coronet convertible?
For body reinforcement; read above.

[Lord Warlock]

I never really understood why they didn't do a convertible charger, there were plenty of other b-body cars that were roofless.  I remember drooling over the supercharger in the old car and driver rags (dad used to have all the mid 60s to early 70s magazines) Reinforcing the frame shouldn't be that hard for a charger, as long as you were careful not to have a ultra high performance motor with tons of torque (would probably twist the frame).  If it were me, I'd make a supercharger but make the windscreen a little higher than the original, sucking bugs would bite otherwise. 

[Ghoste]

I'd go with the Topless version.  Again because the Super Charger is still around (where did it go after Steven Juliano had it?).
There were no convertible Super Bee's either.  I've always wondered about both of those cars.

[Charger-Bodie]

im sure some of you know a bout the car, but one of the original designers of the 68 charger wanted there to be a convert, so chrysler gave him a car to experiment with, they would have produced it but they wanted it to have the charger roof line when up ,and as you can imagine it would be pretty hard to get that long area of cloth in the sail panels to work good both ways . well dispite all that he did  finnally get a top that looked right and functioned in his free time but it was close to the end of the 70 model year and the new 71 was about to be released so it was all for nothing .but, it does still live on ,some where ive seen pics and it was on ebay once about 6 years ago the car was green and the top was black ,the project was not finished the trim around the well was undone ect but it was cool

[Orange_Crush]

I've riden in the org. supercharger. It's since been retored last time I saw it was back in 1992 at a Bell, Wa. car show in it's org. cond. back then. It went to Penn. State for restoration and thats the last I heard of it. I believe a man named Dave redone the car. The car you show in a photo is something else for sure with the roof cut off of it.
Mark

You Sir, are a VERY lucky Man!
I wonder where the car is now???

I think Steve Juliano owns it (though I may be mistaken)

[69_500]

I was going to say I thought the actual Supercharger is owned by Juliano. But I could be wrong. I thought he had it.

[Ghoste]

I know he did have it but I thought I'd heard that he'd sold it?

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

yea he sold it, i emailed him a few times about it and got lots of info from him about it

[Ghoste]

So, now we're back to who has it today?

[Magnumcharger]

yea he sold it, i emailed him a few times about it and got lots of info from him about it

.....and this information......you gonna share dat wit us or what?

[Ghoste]

Hey yeah, you can't drop a tidbit like that and then bail.  Spill brother!

[Mean 318]

IMO, go topless!

[Magnumcharger]

1st off where the hell did all those pics of topless 68 come from???

I found them in a 1968 car magazine....and scanned 'em. Funny what you find when you're not looking.

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

heres the emails from mr.juliano i got from him sometime last year-MATT(top parts are the questions i asked and the below is what steve answered)



1#what are those small objects in the door scoops?
2#it states the car was white with blue trim, so is the tail stripe blue?
3#are the steering wheel and console 1967 model items?
4#what are those mirrors off of?
5# what type of gas caps are those?, and are they connected to the actual
gas tank or just 4 show?

MATT...I HATE THINKING OF THIS CAR AS WELL AS THE DAROO1 AND SWINGER CONCEPT. IN A MOMENT OF STUPIDITY I SOLD ALL 3 OF THEM. I ALSO REGRET SELLING 3 427 COBRAS AND MY REAL GT40. SO NOW THAT YOU RUINED MY NIGHT (JUST KIDDING) I WILL TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS BASED ON MY SUPPRESSED MEMORY.

1. COUNTRY STICKERS
2. I THINK IT WAS RED. PRETTY SURE IT WAS
3 STEERING WHEEL WAS MESH. WHEN I OWNED IT THE CONSOLE WAS PART 68 AND PART 69.
4 I USED TO KNOW THE ANSWER. VERY SIMILAR TO HURST SCRAMBLER.
5 THE CAPS WERE AN AFTERMARKET BRAND. ONE SIDE REAL ONE SIDE JUST BOLTED TO 1/4. FUNNY STORY, I FOUND AN AD FOR THEM IN A 70 DATED MAGAZINE AND CALLED THE NUMBER IN 1999. A WOMAN ANSWERED AND SOLD ME 2 NEW ONES FOR 20BUCKS.

NOW IM OFF TO THE MOVIES AND I WILL BE THINKING OF THESE OLD FRIENDS OF MINE. I CRIED REAL TEARS WHEN THEY LEFT. SINCERELY, STEVEN

[69charger383]

This MIGHT be the car, depending on whether it's for sale.

Thats not the car...youd think it was until u see that the a-pillars are cut off, see?

[Magnumcharger]

I know it's not the car....but it could be built as a clone.
'A' Pillars can be fixed!

[Magnumcharger]

heres the emails from mr.juliano i got from him sometime last year-MATT(top parts are the questions i asked and the below is what steve answered)



1#what are those small objects in the door scoops?
2#it states the car was white with blue trim, so is the tail stripe blue?
3#are the steering wheel and console 1967 model items?
4#what are those mirrors off of?
5# what type of gas caps are those?, and are they connected to the actual
gas tank or just 4 show?

MATT...I HATE THINKING OF THIS CAR AS WELL AS THE DAROO1 AND SWINGER CONCEPT. IN A MOMENT OF STUPIDITY I SOLD ALL 3 OF THEM. I ALSO REGRET SELLING 3 427 COBRAS AND MY REAL GT40. SO NOW THAT YOU RUINED MY NIGHT (JUST KIDDING) I WILL TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS BASED ON MY SUPPRESSED MEMORY.

1. COUNTRY STICKERS
2. I THINK IT WAS RED. PRETTY SURE IT WAS
3 STEERING WHEEL WAS MESH. WHEN I OWNED IT THE CONSOLE WAS PART 68 AND PART 69.
4 I USED TO KNOW THE ANSWER. VERY SIMILAR TO HURST SCRAMBLER.
5 THE CAPS WERE AN AFTERMARKET BRAND. ONE SIDE REAL ONE SIDE JUST BOLTED TO 1/4. FUNNY STORY, I FOUND AN AD FOR THEM IN A 70 DATED MAGAZINE AND CALLED THE NUMBER IN 1999. A WOMAN ANSWERED AND SOLD ME 2 NEW ONES FOR 20BUCKS.

NOW IM OFF TO THE MOVIES AND I WILL BE THINKING OF THESE OLD FRIENDS OF MINE. I CRIED REAL TEARS WHEN THEY LEFT. SINCERELY, STEVEN

Great information!
The mirrors on the Topless Charger are the exact same as the ones I'm using on my Deora replica. They are a generic mirror that was used on many English sportscars in the 1960's, and are avaliable on eBay. I wonder what happened to the two original gas caps, since Steven replaced them with two new ones?

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

dropped steve another email and will be supplying a few more tid bits of info on the car about the gas caps and stickers in the door scallops-MATT

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

ok steve got back 2 me this morning and said he was quite sure that the stripe on 68 was originally red and it was blue in the 69 charger style, hes mailing me any pics and info on that car and it will be at my house in a few weeks and i will scan and post them as soon as i get them-MATT

[Silver R/T]

is that you on hotrodders.com
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=30254

[Brock Samson]

thanks for the link that project rocks! 

[Magnumcharger]

is that you on hotrodders.com
http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/journal.php?action=view&journalid=30254

Is dat who? Me?
yup

[Magnumcharger]

I'd go with the Topless version.  Again because the Super Charger is still around (where did it go after Steven Juliano had it?).
There were no convertible Super Bee's either.  I've always wondered about both of those cars.

Two pictures of THE convertible Superbee....coming right up!
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,20736.60.html

[Ghoste]

Yeah, I saw that 1968 promotional pic.  How many have been seen in real life?  Obviously, they were considering it at one point but I'd put less faith in one having been made than I would a 70 Daytona.