Area violence

[Charger_Fan]

Talk about area violence...this past weekend our daily UPS driver that delivers mail and picks up our mail we sent out as correspondence here on the construction site was killed this past weekened. I had just spoken to him on Friday and I remember saying to him "have a good weekend buddy!" He was on his way home from dropping off his daughter at Marist College in Poughkeepsie, NY (upstate) and on his way home his wife was driving on a well known parkway called the Cross Island Parkway. Some gang wannabee piece of shit was shooting at red vehicles for some unimaginable reason and he was hit in the neck. Thank God that they got this beast of the streets! Can't think of a better reason or circumstances for the use of the needle in this particular case - no regard whatsoever for human life!     

I agree, that's a perfect reason for the needle...or the chair...or a bullet...or...

That sucks.

[69ChargerRTSE]

If guns kill people, I can blame misspelled words on my pencil. That was from Larry the Cable Guy.

[bull]

Laws only affect law-abiding citizens.

[Brock Samson]

kinda busy here today...

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/29/BAGAEKRCO55.DTL

also..

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/29/BAG5CKQV9K1.DTL

[dodge freak]

You seen that too ? Whats going on ? There's so many nuts in the world today its unbelievable. Why can people just be happy they are alive instead of hating everyone ? Sorry if I am asking dumb questions but I just can not understand some of these people in the news . A crack head robbing a store yes but people running over others for fun , a jerk claiming to killed a little girl -no - whats up ?

[Mike DC]

 
IMHO the gun violence is rooted in a combination of factors here.

The United States is a combination of weird people, extremely materialistic values, ADD-ish attention spans and glorification of "outside-of-the-box" thinking.  (It's a very short jump between "outside-of-the-box" thinking and "outside-of-the-law" thinking.)  We combine all that with a lower class in bad conditions that feels like they have little chance of getting ahead by any legal/moral means.

 

[Brock Samson]

I have to agree,..
thanks for saying that.
the disenfranchised are dangerous.

[Lowprofile]

 
IMHO the gun violence is rooted in a combination of factors here.

The United States is a combination of weird people, extremely materialistic values, ADD-ish attention spans and glorification of "outside-of-the-box" thinking.  (It's a very short jump between "outside-of-the-box" thinking and "outside-of-the-law" thinking.)  We combine all that with a lower class in bad conditions that feels like they have little chance of getting ahead by any legal/moral means.

 

I have to agree,..
thanks for saying that.
the disenfranchised are dangerous.

A Lot of pretty words for not taking any personal responsibility for your own actions & a lack of backbone.

[Brock Samson]

 O.K. and your solution is?.

[Lowprofile]

Well, I can only speak for myself bro, but the way I see it, Its bad parenting that is the root cause of most if not all of these problems with our "disenfranchised youth".

I grew up in a broken home......My mom worked her ass of to support me & my 2 brothers, and still made time for us. Everything I have I worked hard for, no hand-outs. The gifts of self reliance & hard work is what she gave us, and we will be forever gratefull to her for it. I am sure you and many other board members have similar stories about your parents.

Just because people grow up or are poor gives them no right to resort to violence because they don't posses something someone else has, yet that seems to always be their excuse.

Its a parents job to teach their children values, morals, self worth & self respect. Its when parents fail that we all pay the price.
So, to your statement "and your solution is?"........

Kill all the Lawyers.........Wait, thats another discussion

[dodge freak]

I agree with everything expect that "kill all the lawyers" bit.  But its not only the poor but the middle class and even the rich-remember those Beverly Hills kids who killed their parents cause they had only like $25,000 a month to spend ? Granted every kid who goes bad its not the parents fault but alot times it is. Way too many people have kids then could care less how they act. But its not for everybody to have kids but most everybody does.

What can we do ? I have no idea cause if they are not your kids you can't say or do anything to them.

[DodgeByDave]

Here in Indy we just went through an inner city shooting spree. 13 murders in 2 days. Why?
I can't even begin to fathom why, because this is something that I can't understand.

That being said, I do know this. Having grown up on a farm and such while we were just as capable of mischief as any other kids we didn't have the time or the energy once the days chores were done. We started at 5 am because there were 400 head of dairy cattle to be milked, 200 head of pigs to be fed as well as countless dogs,cats,chickens,goats,ducks,geese and someone had to grow the corn, soybeans, vegetables, etc. to make it all happen. Hmmm, idle hands do the devils work.

I grew up around guns, Grandfather had almost 20 at the time. Rifles, shotguns, pistols, muzzleloaders and the last thing on our young minds was to mess with them. Why? Because god help you if you were caught messing with stuff you didn't have any business messing with. I was raised in a god-fearing church/school type environment but that isn't what shaped our sense of self discipline. It was the wrath of good old Grandpa Record that shaped our character, one good backhand at a time.

When I was 12 gramps took several of us down to the local co-op to exchange whole feed corn for ground, while there us younguns was going to make a short-cut across the floor of the unloading area and we all learned a valuable lesson that day. You walk around the grain auger and never step across. Why? because if you get a pants leg caught that thing will rip your leg off in a heartbeat. My cousin, being the oldest and in the lead caught one of those patented backhands that sent him (at least in my young mind) a good 30 feet to end up in a heap against the far wall. Cruel? Which is more cruel, to raise children that have an awareness of responsibility and discipline or let a child lose a leg or they're life?

Face it, we live in a lazy instant society that can't and won't face the fact that if you spare the rod, the children end up worthless. We have an entire generation that has more excuses than Carter has liver pills. As extreme as they (generation X) claim to be, little words like responsibility and accountability scare these young folks. Why? It's not fun to be responsible for children that are created on a lark or to be held accountable for a street racing accident that killed your best friend. It's not glamorous or fabulous to step back and say "I'm not going to do that" because there is a tomorrow and I am accountable for my actions.

And as far as guns are concerned, guns cause crime like Rosie O'Donnell's fork made her fat. Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my assault rifle. These are 2 great examples of  how once you apply accountability and responsibly, the fallacy of liberal social engineering shines in it's worst.

I know that part of this boards deal is to stay away from politics and religion, for they are very volatile topics to discuss. Very rarely can 2 Baptist discuss a baptism without it coming to blows. However, as any mechanic will tell you, tolerance is the amount that any part can deviate from the norm before the whole machine breaks down. And right now this machine is all messed up because of too much tolerance.

End of rant, and I'm not sorry if I offended anyone. We are all to blame and it is going to take alot of personal soul searching and even some sacrifice to fix it.

DBD

[Lowprofile]

Good Post Bro.....I agree. 

I agree with everything expect that "kill all the lawyers" bit.

Its called "Sarcasm" df.