68 Hemi Charger R/T owners. question to pose

[hemi68charger]

Hey gang..
OK, I don't have the vacuum port that came on my '68 Hemi Charger R/T... I got to thinkin'... If my Charger came with power brakes, I need a 3 nipple port?
1. Power Booster
2. Ignition nipple to retard solenoid
3. Headlamp vacuum source

I'm not sure why, but I can't get out of my head that I need a 4-nipple version............

Troy

[gtx6970]

Hey gang..
OK, I don't have the vacuum port that came on my '68 Hemi Charger R/T... I got to thinkin'... If my Charger came with power brakes, I need a 3 nipple port?
1. Power Booster
2. Ignition nipple to retard solenoid
3. Headlamp vacuum source

I'm not sure why, but I can't get out of my head that I need a 4-nipple version............

Troy

Are you sure,,,,,,, I thought the headlight vacuum source was the second fitting off the power brake booster ck valve.
Not sure about the retard solenoid source, 

[hemi68charger]

Hey gang..
OK, I don't have the vacuum port that came on my '68 Hemi Charger R/T... I got to thinkin'... If my Charger came with power brakes, I need a 3 nipple port?
1. Power Booster
2. Ignition nipple to retard solenoid
3. Headlamp vacuum source

I'm not sure why, but I can't get out of my head that I need a 4-nipple version............

Troy

Are you sure,,,,,,, I thought the headlight vacuum source was the second fitting off the power brake booster ck valve.
Not sure about the retard solenoid source, 

ding ding ding !!!!  you are right!!!!  I forgot about that........  thanks Bill !!!!

[8WHEELER]

Well I have seen that done, but that is not correct as far as every thing I have seen. My 68 RT 440 Chargers came
with a two port rear fitting, one for the brake booster and the other smaller one went to the vacuum can.

This is a 69 with the Hemi booster. And a stock original 68.

Dan

[hemi68charger]

too quick to jump to conclusions....... Soooo, back to the original question.............. 

Troy

[resq302]

I know my car is a 69 with the 383 in it but my car has a single vacuum nipple with a hose going to the check valve (grayish white color) on my brake booster (bendix type) and the check vavle looks like a T so the other hose goes to the vacuum can for the headlights.  I dont know what you mean by an ignition nipple to retard solenoid.  My vacuum advance comes off of the carb if that is what you are talking about by ignition retard soleniod.

[hemi68charger]

...  I don't know what you mean by an ignition nipple to retard solenoid.  My vacuum advance comes off of the carb if that is what you are talking about by ignition retard solenoid...

In '68, there was a green solenoid that was connected to the distributor. I've seen them on both 440 and 426 equipped cars in '68... Most often than not, those solenoids went bye-bye........

Troy

[4402tuff4u]

These pictures were taken by me from a 68 R/T 440 at Carlisle this year. This might give you some ideas. This car was totally restored from the ground up, but I'm not sure if the vacuum hoses are connected correctly. Something does not look right to me. I have to check the manual. My 68 R/T is somewhat "unmolested" and the hoses were connected different, but then again my hoses might be wrong! Perhaps different cause the one in the pic had speed control mine does not.

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

heres a pic of the power booster and master cylinder off of a 1968 hemi charger r/t-MATT

[8WHEELER]

These pictures were taken by me from a 68 R/T 440 at Carlisle this year. This might give you some ideas. This car was totally restored from the ground up, but I'm not sure if the vacuum hoses are connected correctly. Something does not look right to me. I have to check the manual. My 68 R/T is somewhat "unmolested" and the hoses were connected different, but then again my hoses might be wrong! Perhaps different cause the one in the pic had speed control mine does not.

That is not the correct connection, the headlight hose should be going to the tree vacuum source on the back of the intake.

I can show you picture after picture of 68 Chargers with both vacuum ports hooked up and only one is hooked
up to the brake booster, sure some booster check valves have extra ports on them, but they are not needed.

I hope these help, I have not scanned the schematic yet.

Dan

[hemi68charger]

Thanks Dan.. I think what I need is a 3-nipple version.. Some 3's have the one tiny nipple for the a/c vacuum source. But, for me, I need one big one for the booster and 2 "medium" orfices for the headlamps and solenoid...

For those not familiar with the solenoid, here's one on a '69 426 Hemi Charger R/T survivor locally..........

Troy

[8WHEELER]

Yes, I have a couple three nipples not sure of the diameters and may never use them.
Bought them on ebay several years ago, and I think I have one on a 68 C-Body 440
but that would not have the size for the headlights.

Dan

[tan top]

Thanks Dan.. I think what I need is a 3-nipple version.. Some 3's have the one tiny nipple for the a/c vacuum source. But, for me, I need one big one for the booster and 2 "medium" orfices for the headlamps and solenoid...

For those not familiar with the solenoid, here's one on a '69 426 Hemi Charger R/T survivor locally..........

Troy

not trying to hijack  the thread ( Troy) i learn some thing new every day  on here,   i all ways thought them solenoids were for california cars  only.  would  like to see  more pictures of that unrestored  red 69 hemi .

[hemi68charger]

Thanks Dan.. I think what I need is a 3-nipple version.. Some 3's have the one tiny nipple for the a/c vacuum source. But, for me, I need one big one for the booster and 2 "medium" orfices for the headlamps and solenoid...

For those not familiar with the solenoid, here's one on a '69 426 Hemi Charger R/T survivor locally..........

Troy

not trying to hijack  the thread ( Troy) i learn some thing new every day  on here,   i all ways thought them solenoids were for california cars  only.  would  like to see  more pictures of that unrestored  red 69 hemi .

Sure.. I'm not totally sure where Carl's car is from, but it's been in the Houston area forever and I believe he bought it off the original or second owner. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a non-California car.. Carl's owned it since the middle to late 70's.......  I've seen other cars with the solenoid, but don't have the statistics on which states they were sold new... My car is from Missouri, but since the original motor wasn't in the car when I bought it, I can't make a concrete blanket statement about it.. The solenoid was with the car when I bought it in a box of "stuff" that was supposed to be for the car....

Troy

[XS29J8]

Hi Troy, I was looking for some info and ran across this old thread. My 68 HEMI has never had the solenoid and I remember talking about it years ago with another 68 HEMI owner and I thought we determined it was a California emissions requirement only. I have no provision for the bracket or wiring...............Would like to know the verdict once again!

XS

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Hi Troy, I was looking for some info and ran across this old thread. My 68 HEMI has never had the solenoid and I remember talking about it years ago with another 68 HEMI owner and I thought we determined it was a California emissions requirement only. I have no provision for the bracket or wiring...............Would like to know the verdict once again!

XS

Before 1968 the solenoid was developed for California emissions cars, but in 1968 became standard on cars in all 50 states.  I have heard that for some reason some cars did not have them, but do not know if it is true or not.  I personally removed the emissions solenoid from my brother's 1969 Hemi GTX in about 1972.  It was a Texas car all of its life, my brother is the second owner and has the original window sticker.

There is no wiring to the solenoid because it is unpowered.  The mounting bracket is crimped to the solenoid and mounts to two intake bolts.  When the solenoid assembly is removed no trace remains (other than vacuum lines).

Here is a recent thread on the subject from Moparts:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3928715/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

XS

[moparchris]

The solenoid was not a California only item.  I looked at a 68 Hemi 'runner many years ago that was a one owner car from Maryland and it had that valve on it.  I had never seen one before and couldn't figure out what it was, but it was there.

[Ghoste]

Is it possible though that the Maryland car was originally meant for California and for whatever reason was rerouted?

[XS29J8]

Hi Troy, I was looking for some info and ran across this old thread. My 68 HEMI has never had the solenoid and I remember talking about it years ago with another 68 HEMI owner and I thought we determined it was a California emissions requirement only. I have no provision for the bracket or wiring...............Would like to know the verdict once again!

XS

Before 1968 the solenoid was developed for California emissions cars, but in 1968 became standard on cars in all 50 states.  I have heard that for some reason some cars did not have them, but do not know if it is true or not.  I personally removed the emissions solenoid from my brother's 1969 Hemi GTX in about 1972.  It was a Texas car all of its life, my brother is the second owner and has the original window sticker.

There is no wiring to the solenoid because it is unpowered.  The mounting bracket is crimped to the solenoid and mounts to two intake bolts.  When the solenoid assembly is removed no trace remains (other than vacuum lines).

Here is a recent thread on the subject from Moparts:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3928715/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

XS

Thanks for the link and pictures XS! I'm sure there was never a valve on my 68, it is a 4spd and was built in May of 68 so you would think it would have had one. Need more input from 68 4spd HEMI owners if possible. I'll agree with the  Automatic cars having this valve.

quote from moparts member "Those vacuum canisters were on 426 Hemis with automatic transmission. The 4-speeds did not get them. "





XS

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Thanks for the link and pictures XS! I'm sure there was never a valve on my 68, it is a 4spd and was built in May of 68 so you would think it would have had one. Need more input from 68 4spd HEMI owners if possible. I'll agree with the  Automatic cars having this valve.

quote from moparts member "Those vacuum canisters were on 426 Hemis with automatic transmission. The 4-speeds did not get them. "

XS

It has been my understanding that a 4 Speed car was more likely to have the emissions control valve.  The valve that I have with the "red" bracket lists for a 440 with manual transmission only.  Also, my brother's 1969 Hemi GTX is a 4 Speed / 3.54 Dana equipped car and I know for a fact that it came with the valve... but it is possible 1968 models were a different story.

XS

[XS29J8]

Thanks for the link and pictures XS! I'm sure there was never a valve on my 68, it is a 4spd and was built in May of 68 so you would think it would have had one. Need more input from 68 4spd HEMI owners if possible. I'll agree with the  Automatic cars having this valve.

quote from moparts member "Those vacuum canisters were on 426 Hemis with automatic transmission. The 4-speeds did not get them. "

XS

It has been my understanding that a 4 Speed car was more likely to have the emissions control valve.  The valve that I have with the "red" bracket lists for a 440 with manual transmission only.  Also, my brother's 1969 Hemi GTX is a 4 Speed / 3.54 Dana equipped car and I know for a fact that it came with the valve... but it is possible 1968 models were a different story.

XS

Allen, I'll amend my statement to only 68 4spd HEMI cars built. I believe I have seen several 69 HEMI cars with the valve. The CAP in its infancy preset carb adjustments and leaded the mixture screws in on  the AVS for the 68 440 Magnum  also............

XS

[charge69]

Troy, Carl here, glad my car doesn't look as bad in person as your pic makes it look!  Guess it is the flash!   Remember, my car does not have power brakes!  My solenoid cannister has three nipples as you can see, facing it, the one on the right is vacuum suppield by the brass fitting seen on the back of the manifold, the front or middle one goes to the rear carb, and the one on the left is to the distributor for vacuum advance.   The brass fitting has 2 connections, front one goes to the solenoid and the rear one goes around the other side of the engine to the vacuum cannister for the headlights!.

With that info. , I think a power brake model has the vacuum for the brakes come directly off the brass fitting somehow to the booster as none of the pictured solenoids have 4 fittings!!

Hope this helps!
Carl