fiberglass dual exhaust rear valance for 3rd Gens *UPDATE, UPDATE*

[RD]

here is a link, and the guy's email address.

http://user.pa.net/~mikez/dhelm.htm

His name is Dorsey Helm.

debdhelm#attbi.com

[KMPX2]

Sweet. But haw well will they hold up that close the the exhaust heat?

[RD]

not sure, but i have not heard of any complaints about his work or the products durability.

[Silver R/T]

nothing for 68's

[TruckDriver]

I wonder how much they cost. Warpage would be my only concern too.

[doctorpimp]

here is a link, and the guy's email address.

http://user.pa.net/~mikez/dhelm.htm

His name is Dorsey Helm.

debdhelm#attbi.com

That email address is wrong!
What is the real one, RD?

[RD]

well that was his a couple years ago, just assumed he still had the same email address.  I know he was in washington, but can't seem to find his number or address on anywho.com.  I will check when I get home.

click here:

http://user.pa.net/~mikez/

email that guy (has a link at the bottom of the page), see if he knows.  If not, then:

click here

http://www.showcars-bodyparts.com/charger.html
http://www.up22.com

[AKcharger]

I tried that 1st e-mail address sometime ago..nothing. I e-mailed showcars and we'll see what happens, other place didn't list valances

Thanks!!

[doctorpimp]

I actually went to Showcars yesterday in Bolton ON Canada.
I saw their complete 69 front end; 71-4 fender; and 71 buldge hood.  Excellent craftsmanship!
The hood was a bolt-on with an exact replica of the real underhood bracing made from fibreglass aswell.
I am getting that hood and rear valance when I come home from Afghanistan.

[RD]

found the guys information:

The valances are $135.  +  $32. for shipping. Here are some pictures of the valance. The only differents between the 71-72 and 73-74 are the bumperguard cutouts; you can also order them without bumperguard cutouts.
  If you want one send a money order to the following address.             
                                Dorsey Helm
                                19630 S.E. 189th  PL
                                Renton,   WA  98058

[TruckDriver]

found the guys information:

The valances are $135.   +   $32. for shipping. Here are some pictures of the valance.

[RD]

found the guys information:

The valances are $135.  +  $32. for shipping. Here are some pictures of the valance.

man nothing gets past you guys! hehe

[moparguy01]

im still curious as to if they will withstand the heat of having exhaust pipe that close. Then again, once the exhaust has made it all the way to the back, it'd be alot cooler than say headers are...

[RD]

bump

[TruckDriver]

im still curious as to if they will withstand the heat of having exhaust pipe that close. Then again, once the exhaust has made it all the way to the back, it'd be alot cooler than say headers are...

Same question I have.

[doctorpimp]

Thanks RD. 
If you found his email address, could you PM it to me.  I'll need a shipping quote to Canada.

[RD]

Thanks RD. 
If you found his email address, could you PM it to me.  I'll need a shipping quote to Canada.

cannot find an updated email address, but here is his phone number:

425-432-1546

[RD]

bump for 3rd gen owners, this is an important thing

['CUDA360]

Can you make your own from a flat valance or is there some major difference besides the holes ??

[RD]

Can you make your own from a flat valance or is there some major difference besides the holes ??

you can make them from a flat valance if you knew how to work metal.  I would talk to moparguy01 about that though, i heard he was doing something like that.

[AKcharger]

Yes you can, just an matter if you have the tools and skills. The cut-outs go out  then angle back in  so it's a bit  tricky...they aren't just "cut-outs" I'm going to get one of these...I'll let you guys know how it turned out

[dayclona]

Can you make your own from a flat valance or is there some major difference besides the holes ??

  If you are interested, DAYCLONA ENTERPRISES has the dies/tooling to modify 71-4 dodge/ plymouth STEEL rear valances into dual exhaust pans, we've done many for customers as well as ourselves, since the intro of the G-Series wingedcars , and   since dual valances     are hard to come by, or afford.!...the charger is the "complex" one because of it's exhaust opening shape, it's a two stage forming opperation, the plymouth is a much more ejoyable pc to modify because of it's simplistic design, and no bondo is used, no welding, just metal forming, as factory!........also some custom forming can be done to accommodate larger/custom/multible tips, but there are limits!


                                                                                                    Mike G/ DAYCLONA

[AKcharger]

Tell us more sir!

Local shop here wanted $500 to modify my stock one...how much do you guys want?

['CUDA360]

Right !!

I would want to know too. Mike, it sounds to me like you folks have the proper dies and you stamp them out.

If any of you guys want to send me a piece of a rusted out or wrecked one I would be glad to give it a shot.. Some of you might have seen my metalwork on CCC as I have been known to save a fender or two..
I have a good flat valance but I need a small section from a cutout one (from the bumper slot to about an inch past the cutout) to make an exact duplicate.  If I screw it up no big deal, it's just the valance off the $25.00 Charger. Of course I wont hurt the sample and would be glad to send it back

Thanks,
Pete

[dayclona]

Tell us more sir!

Local shop here wanted $500 to modify my stock one...how much do you guys want?

    I don't like giving out prices, and I'm sure Troy dose not like to see it either; but I can say 1/2 what the above guote says


                                                            Thanks Mike G.

[RD]

cool, thanks for the update mike, could you post this service of yours here?:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/board,24.0.html

just for future reference?

[G-Series]

I'll put some pix together for that section and post them on our website too,  www.Dayclona.com    If you remember the black winged Superbee we did in 2003(pix on the website), that was one of our valances as well as the quad exhaust on the 71 Superbird. 

[TruckDriver]

Half of the other quote... So less the $300. then? I'm very interested then too!

[doctorpimp]

Thanks RD.  
If you found his email address, could you PM it to me.   I'll need a shipping quote to Canada.

cannot find an updated email address, but here is his phone number:

425-432-1546

Thanks again!!!!!!

[71charger_fan]

"if they will withstand the heat of having exhaust pipe that close"

Exhaust heat doesn't seem to bother the plastic rear valances on newer cars. There has been no negative effect on my '04 Neon R/T in 31,000 miles.

[Doc74]

On the heat thing...we had a 3 series beemer in the shop a while back.It had a small spoiler under the rear bumper, the exhaust tip was about 6 inches behind it and the plastic melted away, literally, within minutes.
I fixed the bumper, put on a longer exhaust tip so it sticks out a bit and altough it's very close to the valance it doesn't warp, bolt it too close an the paint will bubble and peel. The real heat comes straight out of the pipe, not too hot around the pipe itself.
Was that clear ? I'm a little tired.

[Beer]

Fixin to call him today...
Hope the info is still good...
As for the fiberglass warping near the exhaust...
I have Quadtips on my other car running about 1/2" from fiberglass no warpage or delaminating (granted not the valance in question though...)
http://www.retrorelics.net/jim/ramplotrear3.JPG

Cheers
Beer

[Beer]

Talked with Dorsey Helm today. He is out of rear valances, but he is willing to make more providing we make it worth his time. He feels that if we had orders for 10 he would take his molds to the guy who hand makes the actual valences.   The valance's would be dual exhaust cut outs. The mold was made with a NOS valance (without the bumper gaurd cutouts). He is estimating the price at $140-150 plus shipping. It has been well over a year since he had any made, so he is not sure of the exact price. He says the lead time can be as much as 6 weeks maybe more. If you are interested in purchasing one (or more) let me know and I will try and coordinate getting them made. Again we need 10 and he will do it. Prices listed now are ballpark, and are pending what the glass guy says.   He told me he believes he is the only one in the US that has molds to make these (Gen 3 dual exhaust valances).   If you want one with the bumper cutouts you will have to cut them out yourself.

Any takers?

I am in for one.

[G-Series]

Just an FYI, and as an alternative; we can convert your steel straight valance into a factory dual exhaust piece for both the Charger and Roadrunner.  Chargers run $250 and RR's are $150.    Gary@Dayclona

[AKcharger]

$250 is actually a good price.

I recieved The last fiberglass valance from Dorsy this week...It's good and fit is fine so I can say that it's worth $150 if you elect to go that route. I'll post some pictures when it's painted and installed

AK

[hemihead]

Why is it that everytime parts are sold for Chargers and Road Runners be it Hoods, Valances or whatever the Charger is always more?

[chargervert]

I have seen the valences that Gary,and Mike modify at Dayclona,Gary started doing them for his own 71 Chargers,and Road Runners. (He has some kinda fetish with those 71 B bodies) But Mike,Al, and myself tell him all the time how much better the 68-70 B bodies are! But back to the valences,and Mike made up the tool to press the exhaust openings into the valence. you cannot tell the original from the modified one! I have seen both side by side! As is the case with most of Dayclonas parts!

[RD]

$250 is actually a good price.

I recieved The last fiberglass valance from Dorsy this week...It's good and fit is fine so I can say that it's worth $150 if you elect to go that route. I'll post some pictures when it's painted and installed

AK

Bill,
   So you got one huh?  excellent, cant wait for pictures!!!

[TruckDriver]

Hey Gary, When the valences are made, do you put the year correct bumperett notches in too?

I'm deeply interested

[Beer]

Any chance we can start new and separate thread for the the metal ones by Gary?
I will likely make new thread trying to get 10 commitments to the making of new fiberglass ones, and will prefer to keep the subj on the fiberglass ones in that thread. Gary if I had my origional valance I would consider having you punch it out, however it was destroyed, hence my need for a "new" piece.

[chargervert]

I wasn't trying to high jack the thread,just offering options. The other Gary(G series) had a Glass one,it was a nice peice too! It did fit well too!

[AKcharger]

Here this pictures I promised. Everything fit up nice and I'm happy. I covered the bumperette opening since my car came without 'em. Only suggestion is don't worry about the valance cost...start saving for the tips! I could have bought a Mobile home in Northern Mississippi for the cost of those things!!!

[terrible one]

Looks very good!

[mopar_madman]

I bought a fibreglass valance at a swap meet around 1999, how long has this guy been making these? Wonder if its one of his, only paid $40 for it.

[doctorpimp]

Looks good
Can't wait to put my Dorsey Helm one on.  Thanks, Beer!
Where did you get the tips?  PG Classic?

[RD]

looks darn good bill!  glad i could find the info for you buddy.

yeah, those tips will take your months food bill right out your pocket huh? hehe

[AKcharger]

Looks good
Where did you get the tips?  PG Classic?

Mancini Racing (MR). Paddock, Laysons and Year one carry them but all had a 3 month back order...MR had a set in stock ($450  )

Madman...Mine was more finished but could be the same

[doctorpimp]

$450
OUCH.  Did you check PG Classic?  They're a Canadian company that makes a lot of hard to find Mopar metal items.  http://www.pgclassic.com/
They sell their stainless tips made in-house for $245 and $299 for 3".  http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID5143510DD511654-B-Body/Exhaust.aspx
I posted about them last month:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,10079.0.html

[AKcharger]

Nah, didn't know about them,rats!

[twilt]

Bill,  that valance really looks great.

As far as the PG classic exhaust tips,from the pics of them that i have seen on ebay,  i personally wouldn`t buy them. They dont look right, they look like cheap imitations. 

[doctorpimp]

As far as the PG classic exhaust tips,from the pics of them that i have seen on ebay,  i personally wouldn`t buy them. They dont look right, they look like cheap imitations. 

I have a pair of them, see the pics in my link above.  I don't think they're cheaply made at all.  Stainless steel with powder coated coloured sections.  They're not on my car yet, so I can't give you a full review of them.  But they're solidly built.
In fact I wonder where MRE and Year One etc get their tips from?

[mopar_madman]

Looks good
Where did you get the tips?  PG Classic?

Mancini Racing (MR). Paddock, Laysons and Year one carry them but all had a 3 month back order...MR had a set in stock ($450  )

Madman...Mine was more finished but could be the same

yeah mine difintly needed some finishing, but worked out well so I could fit the sides to the lower 1/4 better. should look great painted.

[twilt]

I have a pair of them, see the pics in my link above.  I don't think they're cheaply made at all.  Stainless steel with powder coated coloured sections.  They're not on my car yet, so I can't give you a full review of them.  But they're solidly built.
In fact I wonder where MRE and Year One etc get their tips from?

Year One was been selling someone elses repro tips long before PG started reproing the tips. I have a set of OEM tips, and the PG tips dont look right.  Note the difference(s) below. The top two tips are PG tips, the lower pic is a OEM used pair. The slots on the PG tips are noticably too short. Why bother making repros if you dont do them right?

[hotrod98]

The tips with the shorter slots look a lot cleaner than those with the long slots. I've never seen a set with the long slots before and always assumed that the short slotted pieces were the original style. You learn something new every day.

[doctorpimp]

The tips with the shorter slots look a lot cleaner than those with the long slots. I've never seen a set with the long slots before and always assumed that the short slotted pieces were the original style. You learn something new every day.

You're telling me.
I've never seen a pair of OE tips up close before.  I really like the look of the original tips, but the repros do look cleaner and they won't rust out like the OE   Also they didn't come in 3"   I still wouldn't call them cheap imitations though.
If I was going for NOS, it wouldn't be a concern but I want quality not correctness

[twilt]

okay, i will rephrase myself.............   The PG tips  are a lower priced alternative to higher quality, more correct appearing reproductions 

[doctorpimp]

I get what you were trying to say

[1BAD383]

I am interested in ordering a fiberglass rear valance with cut outs for my 71 Charger. Count me in.

[RD]

I am interested in ordering a fiberglass rear valance with cut outs for my 71 Charger. Count me in.

no offense, but this post started back in 2006

[AKcharger]

Yup, and I haven't seen any advertised since...Dayclona may be your best option

[Nacho-RT74]

I am interested in ordering a fiberglass rear valance with cut outs for my 71 Charger. Count me in.

no offense, but this post started back in 2006

I would say 2005: 



fiberglass dual exhaust rear valance for 3rd Gens *UPDATE, UPDATE*
« on: 21-08-2005, 21:22:58 »
   
here is a link, and the guy's email address.

http://user.pa.net/~mikez/dhelm.htm

His name is Dorsey Helm.

debdhelm#attbi.com

[doctorpimp]

I bought the last one that he had back in Jan 06.  It fits well and only required small modification to install.

There was talk of him making more...

You are best to contact him yourself if interested.