Gas Prices Check-in

[70charger_boy]

But it's not even a matter of building NEW ones.... it's getting the ones they already have repaired and operating once again to full capacity! But that would cut into the profits if they did that....

EXACTLY, and isn't it convenient that they shut down 5% of the refineries during the summer peak season for maintenance?  Today, the Senate is proposing a bill to make it a crime for oil company executives who are caught price guaging.  I'll believe it when I see it!!  Now, the price of corn is up...

[PocketThunder]

But it's not even a matter of building NEW ones.... it's getting the ones they already have repaired and operating once again to full capacity! But that would cut into the profits if they did that....

EXACTLY, and isn't it convenient that they shut down 5% of the refineries during the summer peak season for maintenance?  Today, the Senate is proposing a bill to make it a crime for oil company executives who are caught price guaging.  I'll believe it when I see it!!  Now, the price of corn is up...

When do you want them to do maintence?  In the middle of winter?  Its c-c-c-c-old out man! 

Believe you me, we are working as hard as we can to bring refineries up to par.  There are just not enough refinery construction contractors out there to go around.  So Big Oil has to wait till we finish one job before we can get to the next one.  There is plenty of work out there that's for sure.  Time to get back to work I suppose, I don't want you guys thinking I'm holding up progress.  

Paul
In St. Paul

Estimator of Refinery Construction

[69DodgeCharger]

Evart, Michigan $1.87 yesterday

3.65 as of yesterday here in town.

The above post was on January 20th. Amazing how fuel can double in price in just 4 months. Of course the oil companies and the Govt. have every excuse under the sun to explain this.....except the one that is actually true. That they are just plain stealing money from the general public with the blessing of our Federal and State Government. They are killing this country. Many people I know, myself included are slowly being flushed down the toilet by the continuous greed of Govt. and Big Business. 

[my73charger]

Well now retailers are starting to complain that shoppers aren't shopping cause they are putting their money in their gas tanks.  I wonder if this will matter to anyone at the Fed level?

[RD]

Well now retailers are starting to complain that shoppers aren't shopping cause they are putting their money in their gas tanks.  I wonder if this will matter to anyone at the Fed level?

it is only a matter of time before the retailers start pushing their clout on the "hill" to get things changed, if that is to happen.

[TeeWJay426]

Well now retailers are starting to complain that shoppers aren't shopping cause they are putting their money in their gas tanks.  I wonder if this will matter to anyone at the Fed level?

it is only a matter of time before the retailers start pushing their clout on the "hill" to get things changed, if that is to happen.

.... and unfortunately, THAT is the only way things will change- if we forgo spending money elsewhere because our gas tanks are sucking us dry, then the other big business lobbies will start crying in Washington about their financial misfortunes.... the little peons that make up John Q Public won't affect anything on their own; only when other corporate conglomerates begin to get pinched and yelp from the pain will the DC beaureaucrats wake up and do something....

[400/6/PAC]

Just hit 3.09 in Dallas

[69DodgeCharger]

 only when other corporate conglomerates begin to get pinched and yelp from the pain will the DC beaureaucrats wake up and do something....

I'd be interested to see what that "something" is. A bunch of useless Congressional hearings? Or maybe some empty political promises? You can be sure there will be plenty of those regarding fuel prices during the '08 elections, of course by then we should be well on our way to an economic collapse here in the U.S. Ask yourself this. Are you and the people you know an the verge of a major financial emergency? Can you survive if gas goes up another 1.00-1.50 a gallon? or if your home heating bill doubles for the third winter in a row? Meanwhile your house and property loses another 10-15% of it's value, on top of the 10-20% it's already lost. Not to mention that your home and auto insurance will continue to rise in price, and the 10-20% increase in your grocery and "living necessaties budget" And let's not forget your ever exploding medical insurance premiums and deductibles. Have you read your local paper lately? In my area there should be a seperate section just for foreclosures and mortgage sales. And then when you top it off with Curious George's never ending "saga" in the mideast it makes for a very bleak future.  Oh and let's not forget the new wage standard here in the U.S. 8-10 dollars an hour is plenty to live on. I mean it's more than people in other countries are making right?

[Troy]

Is this officially political yet?

Troy

[69DodgeCharger]

Is this officially political yet?

Troy

Troy,

Don't confuse politics with reality. They are two very seperate entities.

[RD]

Is this officially political yet?

Troy

I would of said it was borderline... well... until I read the post above yours   Then most likely yes, if each post afterwards continues with that line of posting 

[RD]

Is this officially political yet?

Troy

Troy,

Don't confuse politics with reality. They are two very seperate entities.

lol, that is funny.  political is defined many different ways, and this board has its unique definition.  pretty much it will come down to:

administration bashing
george bashing
having the word "political" in your thread denoting a specific governments action or inaction
and finally...
using this forum as a means to purport or promote a political agenda that is based upon personal beliefs, norms, mores, or traditions that is intended to either relieve steam or lead to further posting supporting or debating said political agenda.

on that note... your post was political in nature

dont worry though, you wont be the last who does this on this board 

[69DodgeCharger]

Ok maybe I stepped "out of bounds" but did I say anything that wasn't true? I didn't have actual facts and figures to back up my numbers but I am guessing they are "in the ballpark" If I'm wrong I will be the first one to admit it and say so.

[Troy]

This is how the thread started:

Just curious what everyone else is paying?  It just jumped from $2.99/gal to $3.13/gal in the last week...

So basically, any talk of how/why gas prices got where they are is a thread hijack. I might also mention that the prices are nearly identical now as they were last August but they've been much cheaper in between. Surprisingly, no threads about that.

It's painfully obvious that certain people can't separate "reality" from the reality in their own minds so let's not go down that road again.

There are ways to talk about government without getting "political". Threads get locked for being "political" when people start flinging out their "opinions" as "facts" in order to incite a flame war. Normal, civilized discussion/debate usually manages to stay below the radar. I don't really care which politician has everyone's panties in a bunch this week but this isn't the place to discuss them. If I was really bored I could post all day long on the stupid things that the fine folks in D.C. (either "side") manage to come up with. However, it doesn't belong here. The only reason these "gas price" threads get a little leeway is because they are directly related to the main focus of the site (cars - not politics).

I can guarantee this much - Clinton (either one) has about as much influence on the price of gas as Bush and would do exactly as much to make you happy (maybe less if the Dems manage to pass a $1 per gallon additional tax). For those of you who don't remember the last election let me just say that we're not going through that again. If it requires me to trash the entire Off Topic area and start banning people then I seriously have no problem with that. Bush has been the only President since this site has been in existence so if it makes you feel better to think threads only get locked for Bush bashing then who am I to stop you? When the next genius gets sworn in I'll likely have a whole new crop of people mad at me. I'd be tempted to have a section specifically for automotive legislation (smog laws, car crushing, etc.) but I'm afraid it would just turn into government bashing with no real value.

Just to contribute something to the thread (scroll down):
http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html

Troy

[69DodgeCharger]

Ok, not to continue beating a dead horse but the gas prices have been being manipulated for at least the last 3-4 years. and if you were to actually study the data from all sectors of the situation there is no way any reasonable person could come to any other conclusion. As far as reality, many, many people (I know) are on the verge of a total financial meltdown, and fuel prices are a major factor in this Some of them are responsible for their own situaton with their carelsss and irresponsible financial management, others are a victim of Big Business and the Govt. It is becoming a matter of being able to survive and keep a roof over our heads at this point. Driving a "Charger" has nothing to do with this issue. It is  a matter of survival for myself and many people I know.....That is not an opinion it is reality and it's not in my mind, it is in the balance sheet of my financial life, and many other peoples. Especially when you factor in the rise in prices of consumable goods, heating and electrical and so on as the chain reaction spreads through society. So maybe this is not the place, but is very hard to get yourself to not comment on this issue when your very way of life is threatened by it......Just a thought and my last comment on the subject. I really hope there is a solution but I am not a believer at this time.

[Silver R/T]

Where all the profits go from fuel sales? Why can't government step in and stop this nonsense rapage at the pumps. I understand that there's many people that drive large SUV's trucks as daily drivers, most of them can afford it and write it off on their taxes. How's the average working family supposed to survive, minimum wage 7.93 over here. Gas is 3.23 (it will rise over holiday weekend Im sure) rent is $500 cheapest, groceries, utilities, etc.
We're fighting war in foreign country trying to help them out, spending billions on there and many lives every day. Why can't government rather help ourselves first, all the low income familes.

[RD]

Where all the profits go from fuel sales? Why can't government step in and stop this nonsense rapage at the pumps. I understand that there's many people that drive large SUV's trucks as daily drivers, most of them can afford it and write it off on their taxes. How's the average working family supposed to survive, minimum wage 7.93 over here. Gas is 3.23 (it will rise over holiday weekend Im sure) rent is $500 cheapest, groceries, utilities, etc.
We're fighting war in foreign country trying to help them out, spending billions on there and many lives every day. Why can't government rather help ourselves first, all the low income familes.

you didnt read any of the above 4 posts did you?

[Silver R/T]

I did, there's not a single answer to any of the questions.

[RD]

I did, there's not a single answer to any of the questions.

there is not supposed to be... this is a gas check in thread, not a trip to the local fortune teller, because that is exactly the answers you are trying to get.  keep it on topic or this gets locked and we have to start a new one, that will end up the same way...

might as well make it one thread and one thread only

[Recharger]

 

Back on topic:  gas is still $3.70/3.80/3.90 per gallon in the near west suburbs...

But up to $3.95/4.05/4.15 downtown... 

[RD]

it actually went down to $3.26... station price war I believe.

[Troy]

Ok, not to continue beating a dead horse but the gas prices have been being manipulated for at least the last 3-4 years. and if you were to actually study the data from all sectors of the situation there is no way any reasonable person could come to any other conclusion.

Actually, I consider myself a reasonable person who has studied the data and I'd say "yes there is". There's a ton of information out there (even on this site) so I'm not going to post any of it. A good place to start is Google. Search "world gas prices", "OPEC", "refineries", "refining capacity", and "crude oil supply". Then, just for fun, see how other countries are faring (but it's still ok to blame Bush I guess):
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/

you didnt read any of the above 4 posts did you?

Going out on a limb here but I'd be willing he skipped 286,807 of the other 292,375 posts on the site as well... 

Troy

[Troy]

Oh yeah, ours dropped to $3.04 for 87 octane but I paid $3,45 in Michigan over the weekend. 

Troy

[Manfred318]

I dont know if it is true, but I was told a few hours ago by the assistant manager of the gas station where I usually buy gas the the price was going up somewhere around $.10 again tomorrow . If that happens that will put us at around $3.29/gal here.

[TeeWJay426]

Filled up this morning near the Manchester NH airport for 2.989..... one of the few stations around me that's still under 3 bucks.