nfs-no f###ing spark

[andy74]

my charger was running great,and then it comes down to this,i had a sputter at 3000 and up rpms,which lasted for a day or 2, then after i drove it today,it wouldnt start-no spark at all,i changed the igntion box,coil and ballast last night trying to cure the sputter,and after driving a few miles it wont start or spark at all-dist is less thana  year old and i put new plugs and wires on a month ago-any ideas or how to check?

[dodge freak]

You can take a ohm meter and check the resistance of the pick up coil leads from the dist, think it should be around 280 but not sure, sorry. 1 year old should be ok but and if your vacuum advance is working-hook up-sometimes the wire or wires get damaged. If you have the Mopar box and its got 5 pins you should get 12 volts at the #1 pin, thats the middle one of the three and #3 should have some volts not sure how much cause its coming off the ballet resistor, thats the one of the 2 either on top or bottom , the other one is from the pick up dist. lead.

Have no picture of this digram that I have, sounds like a bad pick up coil in the dist or a wiring problem. I have msd so I can not check mine and tell you what I have.

[dodge freak]

 I could draw it out for you but I don't know how to post it.

[Nacho-RT74]

You can take a ohm meter and check the resistance of the pick up coil leads from the dist, think it should be around 280 but not sure, sorry. 1 year old should be ok but and if your vacuum advance is working-hook up-sometimes the wire or wires get damaged. If you have the Mopar box and its got 5 pins you should get 12 volts at the #1 pin, thats the middle one of the three and #3 should have some volts not sure how much cause its coming off the ballet resistor, thats the one of the 2 either on top or bottom , the other one is from the pick up dist. lead.

Have no picture of this digram that I have, sounds like a bad pick up coil in the dist or a wiring problem. I have msd so I can not check mine and tell you what I have.

I have had several times just loosen Rubber dist pick up coil plug, and also ECU module plug itself

4 and 5 are leads to dist pick up

3 is low voltage resistor source...I never tested and Haynes manual only talks about ohm directly at ballast

[Todd Wilson]

Hows your ground to the ECU box? Take a test lead and clip it to the ECU and ground and see what you got. Otherwise that tells me its a wiring problem under the hood ignition area or the reluctor could be bad or out of adjustment.

Being a new distributor youi would think that would not be the case but it seems the quality of parts anymore isnt very good and if its a remanufactured dist. you got then it very well could be that as they use the cheapest parts and labor to reman. something and usually ends up poor quality. An exchange is cheaper then paying $ for good parts and labor. We got to show profits for CEO's to get bonus's!



Todd

[firefighter3931]

Andy, check the voltage going in/out of the ballist.

Ron

[andy74]

Andy, check the voltage going in/out of the ballist.

Ron

i am having her towed to the shop,we can figure it out there,as i am tired of messing around in the gas station parking lot where she quit,plus i can get to the beers way to easily if i am near a convienece store!!

[Nacho-RT74]

I bet will be the plugs . The cheaper parts and more sensitive to engine heat and dust. Is my experience

[andy74]

well, after some hair pulling, i found that the bolts on the ignition box were loose,and i had a burned plug wire,both at the same time im sure was a coincedence-the burnt wire caused my skip,and the backed out bolts were causing my no spark-they were just loose enough where they appeared tight,so i pulled the tapping screws out,and used 2 bolts with nuts and lock washers-should be good now! i just got back from a full throtle run her to red line in first and second blast down the high way,and she seems fine!

[firefighter3931]

Good to hear it's all fixed up Andy.  Bad ground and defective wire  It's allways the simple stuff huh 


Ron

[andy74]

okay, the freaking thing wouldnt start this morning again,what the hell did i do to deserve this?

[Runner]

check you bulkhead conector

[Nacho-RT74]

You can take a ohm meter and check the resistance of the pick up coil leads from the dist, think it should be around 280 but not sure, sorry. 1 year old should be ok but and if your vacuum advance is working-hook up-sometimes the wire or wires get damaged. If you have the Mopar box and its got 5 pins you should get 12 volts at the #1 pin, thats the middle one of the three and #3 should have some volts not sure how much cause its coming off the ballet resistor, thats the one of the 2 either on top or bottom , the other one is from the pick up dist. lead.

Have no picture of this digram that I have, sounds like a bad pick up coil in the dist or a wiring problem. I have msd so I can not check mine and tell you what I have.

I have had several times just loosen Rubber dist pick up coil plug, and also ECU module plug itself

4 and 5 are leads to dist pick up

3 is low voltage resistor source...I never tested and Haynes manual only talks about ohm directly at ballast

Beside stated above, then check:

-12 Volts at blue wire on ballast on RUN position.
-12 Volts at brown wire at START position ( positive lead of coil )
-Around 8-10 Volts at brown wire at RUN position ( positive lead of coil )
-12 Volts at cavity 1 of ECU at Run position.

If starter motor cranks, that's all you need to check where is the fail.

[andy74]

there was a wire cracked in the harness to the starter relay,so i replaced it and checked the others for problems,so the starting issue is solved!

[Nacho-RT74]

Oh Ok then engine not even cranked with starter!!! I thought was cranking, that's why I never post about check starter wires.

[andy74]

Oh Ok then engine not even cranked with starter!!! I thought was cranking, that's why I never post about check starter wires.

she was cranking,just no spark-the starter cable i replaced just because i had one,and it looked kind of crappy,the spark issue was the wiring grounding out on the intake,damn thing! on a different note, i melted the shifter cable after all that work yesterday!!

[Silver R/T]

okay, the freaking thing wouldnt start this morning again,what the hell did i do to deserve this?

maybe cause youre asshole...hmm DING DING DING..

[Ghoste]

I thought getting threads locked was only a pastime in the off topic area.

[andy74]

I thought getting threads locked was only a pastime in the off topic area.

i always consider the source,and seems like spouting bull shit is all one individual here is good for-i dont recall ever seeing one useful thing from the dumb MF,but that could be me

[dodge freak]

This place is like driving on the freeway-Theres a bunch of fun cool people here and theres always a few jerks on the road also. Theres even cops on here too-" lock topics" come to mind.

[andy74]

This place is like driving on the freeway-Theres a bunch of fun cool people here and theres always a few jerks on the road also. Theres even cops on here too-" lock topics" come to mind.

that is a very good way of putting it dodge freak!

[Steve P.]

Damn, Silver,,, that certainly WAS NOT called for!!!!!

[Brock Samson]

don't worry,..  I'm sure when he hits 4k he'll stop. 

[andy74]

Damn, Silver,,, that certainly WAS NOT called for!!!!!

just showing what a dick he is,no big deal

[Plumcrazy]

Damn, Silver,,, that certainly WAS NOT called for!!!!!

[Ghoste]

So back to our regular program... have you made any progress on the spark issue?

[TylerCharger69]

I think that was uncalled for too.....We're supposed to HELP each other here....not make cracks about others' mechanical misfortunes

[andy74]

So back to our regular program... have you made any progress on the spark issue?

yes, its all fixed-when i replaced my wiring harness with a used one there was a small crack in the insulation in one of the wires,which was grounding on the intake-time consuming but not a real big deal-thanks for asking

[Steve P.]

Glad you're back in bidness Andy.......