High gas prices, read this

[Crazy440]

I just found out that my Ol'Ladies Sable "DD", (I know, it's a Ferd product) is a flex fuel vehicle.   Now all I need, is to live around a place that has the E85 fuel.
This is an interesting read.   There are alot of cars that are flex, but people don't know it. Plus going over this site, there are quit a few places that sale it and more getting it, everyday.   Be sure to read the FAQ section.   Hell, we could be Import free, if Detroit would get off their asses.   Did you know, all cars sold in Brazil have to be flex cars. Ford, GM, Chrysler, Ricers, ect?   Why not here? One bushel of corn makes over two gallons of Ethanol.

http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php

[RD]

well the reason is simple why we dont go with a majority of flex fuel vehicles...


THE OIL COMPANIES LIKE THEIR RECORD BREAKING PROFITS.

oh, how many hurricanes are there in the gulf right now?

[Charger4404spd]

Yeah the big oil companies spend millions on lobbyists, parties for the bigwigs, etc. Dont think we will see this catch on in our lifetime.

[Silver R/T]

same reason why thousands die from AIDS, cancer etc, theres natural cures to that crap, but does government wants us to live no, by their statistics world is 'overpopulated' so why not let people die, pay for higher prices of gas to richen those oil company owners.

if there wont be end of the world soon Im pretty sure itll come down to something thats gonna look like Mad Max, where they had to fight/kill over fuel

[LahTera]

What would it take to convert my Charger?

If it wasn't that difficult to convert gasoline cars to ethanol, the oil companies might have something to be afraid of:  Us!

LahTera, the Rebel   

[Steve P.]

if there wont be end of the world soon Im pretty sure itll come down to something thats gonna look like Mad Max, where they had to fight/kill over fuel

I think we are REALLLLLY doing that now!!

[Troy]

same reason why thousands die from AIDS, cancer etc, theres natural cures to that crap

I'm sure you have some sort of proof to back that up right???

Troy

[Crazy440]

I think one of the points here is, that my wife nor I, ever paid any attention to the little sticker, on the fuel door, that says it's a flex car.   I'm sure, there are many people that live in areas that have E85, that don't know they can use it.   When we bought the car, no one told us, during the sales pitch.   And they sure don't advertise it.
Now honestly, how many of you, that read this thread, actually went to the site and checked it out?  And how many, checked out what cars are flex cars?  You might already own one.

[Silver R/T]

same reason why thousands die from AIDS, cancer etc, theres natural cures to that crap

I'm sure you have some sort of proof to back that up right???

Troy

ya its called "consumer reports" special edition magazine Ive had laying around here somewhere... but it does kinda make sense. People feed on other people's mishap, like doctors, cops, insurance agencies, fire depts.

[Brock Samson]

 that's a good one.

[Dodge-Charger]

First off, there are alot of cars on that page. It does make you think about why you were not told when buyin the car. I would think that would help sell a car in todays gas problem.

Silver R/T , 2 things, what do you think the natural cures are other than a bullet ? If you have the Consumer Reports and know a cure for AIDS, Cancer and others then I suggest you go out and collect all the items you need to be rich. Let me know how that turns out for ya !

As too   

People feed on other people's mishap, like doctors, cops, insurance agencies, fire depts.

where the hell did you come up with that ? Doctors and Ins. Agents , yes I'll give ya those two, but Cops and Fire Depts. Hmmmm I think you need to look at what a doctor makes and what a Cop makes. I dont see how you can compare the two. A doctor goes to school in hopes of havein alot of sick people to keep his or her practice open and make money off the ill. A cop goes to school to earn a livein and keep people safe ( well most of them anyway ). 
    Vol. Fire fighters make alot of money too huh ? yep I guess thats why we do it then, just so after 20 years we can get $120 a month. NO  we do it to help others and watch out for our fellow community members.  Think about it ! and go read something that is not writin by a bunch of burned out conspiracy theory advocates.

[911bear]

  you mean a vol ff after 20 years of service can really get 120$ a month? i was assistant chf for about 15 years here in my home town ........ gas prices SUCK!  but that extra 120 would help a little...

[Chargerguy74]

I side with Silver in the natural cures thing. Take cancer for example, it can't exist in an acidic environment. All you have to do is get your body pH level lower than 7, and it'll destroy any cancer. People who don't believe there are cures for this kind of stuff don't realize the money generated from it. This world is all about money, not helping one another. I know of a Chinese herb shop who sells cures for AIDS too, and they work (I was told), and are natural.

[Chargerguy74]

I worked for a german guy once, pretty old guy, but smart. He explained the build up of an oil molecule, and how to properly clean and reuse his oil. Even built a system on his car that would recycle the oil and clean it, and run it back through the engine. He never once needed to change oil. Word spread about it and he ended up getting a visit in the middle of the night. He said they worked for an oil company, and persuaded him (threatened his life) to lose the gizmo.

[Charger4404spd]

I worked for a german guy once, pretty old guy, but smart. He explained the build up of an oil molecule, and how to properly clean and reuse his oil. Even built a system on his car that would recycle the oil and clean it, and run it back through the engine. He never once needed to change oil. Word spread about it and he ended up getting a visit in the middle of the night. He said they worked for an oil company, and persuaded him (threatened his life) to lose the gizmo.

Yeah I can believe that. Remember several years ao when this man came up with a special carb or something that would get 100 mpg? It was on the news ONCE, then you never heard anything else about it. Guess the blackcoats had a visit with him also.

[Shakey]

This is one f**ked up thread! 

[Recharger]

I can only assume you are all being responsible and wearing your aluminum foil hats as you type at your computer, no?   Otherwise you-know-who will be reading your anti-big-government thoughts and coming for you as well.  

If medical "cures" are just about money and not about helping people, don't you think the governmentt (or any private industry) would jump all over a cure for AIDS or cancer?   Can you think of anything that would generate more money than that would?   It's virtually the license to print money.   Whoever figures it out first can go buy all the oil fields in the world.   Think Sheik Muhamed al whoever wouldn't give up a few million to cure himself or a hot little harem member?   It just blows my mind that some people think some shady character in a smoky room in D.C. is sitting on the recipe for a cure, just so Pfizer can sell a few more pills next year.       

Here's your homework assignment for today...Find out how much money the U.S. government put towards medical/scientific research last year.   Then find out how much of that went directly to cancer and AIDS research.   If you have a lot of time to kill, (ahem, Silver) find out how many different research projects are ongoing in the U.S. alone on these subjects.   Then write me a report, 500 words or less convincing me that it is all a sham, and the cure has been found and ignored.  

Quite a can o worms you opened here Silver.   Good work.

[Telvis]

 


Crop circles are messages from aliens that the world is going to end due to solar flares. They are signalling us to go underground for protection.  Some of the signs also indicate that Elvis is still alive. Also the aliens have given our government the technology for a perpetual motion engine but the evil rich oil companies have suppressed it. It's the truth...I promise!

[Troy]

Ok, you guys write this down - I'm going to post the cures to these worldwide problems right here...

1. AIDS: stop engaging in high risk behavior. Don't have unprotected sex (or any sex at all) and don't share needles when doing drugs. In the unfortunate event that you ever need a blood transfusion just refuse it and hope for the best.

2. Gas prices: stop buying gas. Move to the inner city and ride a bicycle to work or walk - don't take the bus because then you'll just be contributing to the overall gas crisis. Boycott any company which uses large trucks or heavy equipment (who needs groceries at the store when you can just grow your own).

There you have it. 99% of the AIDS "epidemic" will go away and worldwide oil reserves will be overflowing. So who's with me?









What? You don't want to give up sex, drugs or cars? That's rediculous!

The reality is that people don't want to "give up" anything even if they know life would be better/cheaper in the long run. I spend more money on lunch each week than gas but do you think I'm going to sit at the office and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at my desk? Nope - but I could. I spend more on gas each year than I have for some of the cars I've bought but will I buy a hybrid vehicle, find a job closer to my home, or stop driving on vacation or to visit my parents? Nope. I rode the bus exactly 4 times in my life and don't plan on doing it again. People (Americans especially) love their cars. I remember when SUVs were really a status symbol but now seemingly everyone has one. There is no law forcing people to drive gas guzzling cars - they buy them because that is what they want (or need) to have. The price of oil dropped $1.60 yesterday because... <surprise!> stockpiles of oil were growing. Supply exceeded demand. It sounds good in theory but I don't think people are to the point of abandoning their vehicles or spending a lot of money on conversions yet.

Back on topic, the alternative fuels are a great idea if they are available in your area. I wouldn't buy another car just because of it (costs more than gas) but if I already had one I'd be looking to utilize it as much as possible.

Troy

[Shakey]

Ok, you guys write this down - I'm going to post the cures to these worldwide problems right here...

1. AIDS: stop engaging in high risk behavior. Don't have unprotected sex (or any sex at all) and don't share needles when doing drugs. In the unfortunate event that you ever need a blood transfusion just refuse it and hope for the best.

2. Gas prices: stop buying gas. Move to the inner city and ride a bicycle to work or walk - don't take the bus because then you'll just be contributing to the overall gas crisis. Boycott any company which uses large trucks or heavy equipment (who needs groceries at the store when you can just grow your own).

There you have it. 99% of the AIDS "epidemic" will go away and worldwide oil reserves will be overflowing. So who's with me?









What? You don't want to give up sex, drugs or cars? That's rediculous!

The reality is that people don't want to "give up" anything even if they know life would be better/cheaper in the long run. I spend more money on lunch each week than gas but do you think I'm going to sit at the office and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at my desk? Nope - but I could. I spend more on gas each year than I have for some of the cars I've bought but will I buy a hybrid vehicle, find a job closer to my home, or stop driving on vacation or to visit my parents? Nope. I rode the bus exactly 4 times in my life and don't plan on doing it again. People (Americans especially) love their cars. I remember when SUVs were really a status symbol but now seemingly everyone has one. There is no law forcing people to drive gas guzzling cars - they buy them because that is what they want (or need) to have. The price of oil dropped $1.60 yesterday because... <surprise!> stockpiles of oil were growing. Supply exceeded demand. It sounds good in theory but I don't think people are to the point of abandoning their vehicles or spending a lot of money on conversions yet.

Back on topic, the alternative fuels are a great idea if they are available in your area. I wouldn't buy another car just because of it (costs more than gas) but if I already had one I'd be looking to utilize it as much as possible.

Troy

Well said.  No one wants to give up anything.

[hemihead]

 I live in the Pittsburgh area and about 3 years ago on the 6 o'clock News , they did a story on Carnegie Mellon students who converted a Diesel engine to run on Vegetable Oil.They even could run it on used Vegetable Oil.And what ever happened to the Chrysler Turbine?It would run on Grain Alcohol, Wood Alcohol, or any kind of liquid fuel pretty much.And the Carb that was mentioned earlier was called a Pogue if I remember right.
I hate these Gas prices as much as anyone but all it would take is just don't buy any for one day.Everyone in the country.But no one can seem to band together or stop driving the SUV for one day.Our rights are being walked on and taken away everyday in this country because we let the government do it.Is this what our loved ones died for in WW II?

[Crazy440]

Back on topic, the alternative fuels are a great idea if they are available in your area. I wouldn't buy another car just because of it (costs more than gas) but if I already had one I'd be looking to utilize it as much as possible.

Troy

This thread sure went south.   The topic was about cars already in use, that can use E85.   The CBS news report, I saw, was done from Las Wages.   Gas was around $3.00/ga and the E85 was around $1.85.   Was just trying to inform, not insight.

[ChargerBill]

Well, here's how I see it - based on the facts i could readily find on the internet:

E85 is about $1.90 per gallon
The government picks up an additional cost of about 60 ¢ - (which means that I as a tax payer have been paying for E85 all along)
E85 will decrease mileage by about 30% - (which means I will be filling up more often - IF I can find E85)
Factor in the 30% decrease in mileage and E85 costs about the EXACT same amount as gasoline for the same amount of miles driven
ALSO, E85 is more expensive to produce and takes more energy to produce than gasoline. Hmmmm, what a GREAT solution

Yes, my Silverado is a flex vehicle - NO, I will not take advantage of the great hassles and inconveniences that using E85 will create for me....

It kills me that everyone thinks recycling and alternative fuels are sooo much better than the way things are done. Sure, recycling cleans the environment a bit (not significantly) but here's just one example: it takes MORE energy to recycle a lightbulb than the energy that lightbulb will use over it's lifetime - great advantage right?

[Troy]

What part of the government is controlling gas prices? Not buying gas for ONE day will only make the demand go up on the next day(s). You aren't going to accomplish a thing that way because the oil companies won't even see a dent in profits. Call Opec and get them to up the production. While you're at it, build a few new refineries because the ones we have are at capacity.

We've covered the vegetable oil topic before. I don't see everyone ruuning out and buying conversion kits. Maybe I'll start selling those to pay for my gas...

Troy


Troy

[RD]

i love this sheit.   its funny to see the conspiracy theorists pop out of nowhere in reference to funny cure alls and such.   I truly am not hampered too much by these earthly measures.   They are just a microcosm in the whole grand picture anyways.

live, be merry, have children, and drive chargers!   anything else is just a facade.