High gas prices, read this

[Crazy440]

I just found out that my Ol'Ladies Sable "DD", (I know, it's a Ferd product) is a flex fuel vehicle.   Now all I need, is to live around a place that has the E85 fuel.
This is an interesting read.   There are alot of cars that are flex, but people don't know it. Plus going over this site, there are quit a few places that sale it and more getting it, everyday.   Be sure to read the FAQ section.   Hell, we could be Import free, if Detroit would get off their asses.   Did you know, all cars sold in Brazil have to be flex cars. Ford, GM, Chrysler, Ricers, ect?   Why not here? One bushel of corn makes over two gallons of Ethanol.

http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php

[RD]

well the reason is simple why we dont go with a majority of flex fuel vehicles...


THE OIL COMPANIES LIKE THEIR RECORD BREAKING PROFITS.

oh, how many hurricanes are there in the gulf right now?

[Charger4404spd]

Yeah the big oil companies spend millions on lobbyists, parties for the bigwigs, etc. Dont think we will see this catch on in our lifetime.

[Silver R/T]

same reason why thousands die from AIDS, cancer etc, theres natural cures to that crap, but does government wants us to live no, by their statistics world is 'overpopulated' so why not let people die, pay for higher prices of gas to richen those oil company owners.

if there wont be end of the world soon Im pretty sure itll come down to something thats gonna look like Mad Max, where they had to fight/kill over fuel

[LahTera]

What would it take to convert my Charger?

If it wasn't that difficult to convert gasoline cars to ethanol, the oil companies might have something to be afraid of:  Us!

LahTera, the Rebel   

[Steve P.]

if there wont be end of the world soon Im pretty sure itll come down to something thats gonna look like Mad Max, where they had to fight/kill over fuel

I think we are REALLLLLY doing that now!!

[Troy]

same reason why thousands die from AIDS, cancer etc, theres natural cures to that crap

I'm sure you have some sort of proof to back that up right???

Troy

[Crazy440]

I think one of the points here is, that my wife nor I, ever paid any attention to the little sticker, on the fuel door, that says it's a flex car.   I'm sure, there are many people that live in areas that have E85, that don't know they can use it.   When we bought the car, no one told us, during the sales pitch.   And they sure don't advertise it.
Now honestly, how many of you, that read this thread, actually went to the site and checked it out?  And how many, checked out what cars are flex cars?  You might already own one.

[Silver R/T]

same reason why thousands die from AIDS, cancer etc, theres natural cures to that crap

I'm sure you have some sort of proof to back that up right???

Troy

ya its called "consumer reports" special edition magazine Ive had laying around here somewhere... but it does kinda make sense. People feed on other people's mishap, like doctors, cops, insurance agencies, fire depts.

[Brock Samson]

 that's a good one.

[Dodge-Charger]

First off, there are alot of cars on that page. It does make you think about why you were not told when buyin the car. I would think that would help sell a car in todays gas problem.

Silver R/T , 2 things, what do you think the natural cures are other than a bullet ? If you have the Consumer Reports and know a cure for AIDS, Cancer and others then I suggest you go out and collect all the items you need to be rich. Let me know how that turns out for ya !

As too   

People feed on other people's mishap, like doctors, cops, insurance agencies, fire depts.

where the hell did you come up with that ? Doctors and Ins. Agents , yes I'll give ya those two, but Cops and Fire Depts. Hmmmm I think you need to look at what a doctor makes and what a Cop makes. I dont see how you can compare the two. A doctor goes to school in hopes of havein alot of sick people to keep his or her practice open and make money off the ill. A cop goes to school to earn a livein and keep people safe ( well most of them anyway ). 
    Vol. Fire fighters make alot of money too huh ? yep I guess thats why we do it then, just so after 20 years we can get $120 a month. NO  we do it to help others and watch out for our fellow community members.  Think about it ! and go read something that is not writin by a bunch of burned out conspiracy theory advocates.

[911bear]

  you mean a vol ff after 20 years of service can really get 120$ a month? i was assistant chf for about 15 years here in my home town ........ gas prices SUCK!  but that extra 120 would help a little...

[Chargerguy74]

I side with Silver in the natural cures thing. Take cancer for example, it can't exist in an acidic environment. All you have to do is get your body pH level lower than 7, and it'll destroy any cancer. People who don't believe there are cures for this kind of stuff don't realize the money generated from it. This world is all about money, not helping one another. I know of a Chinese herb shop who sells cures for AIDS too, and they work (I was told), and are natural.

[Chargerguy74]

I worked for a german guy once, pretty old guy, but smart. He explained the build up of an oil molecule, and how to properly clean and reuse his oil. Even built a system on his car that would recycle the oil and clean it, and run it back through the engine. He never once needed to change oil. Word spread about it and he ended up getting a visit in the middle of the night. He said they worked for an oil company, and persuaded him (threatened his life) to lose the gizmo.

[Charger4404spd]

I worked for a german guy once, pretty old guy, but smart. He explained the build up of an oil molecule, and how to properly clean and reuse his oil. Even built a system on his car that would recycle the oil and clean it, and run it back through the engine. He never once needed to change oil. Word spread about it and he ended up getting a visit in the middle of the night. He said they worked for an oil company, and persuaded him (threatened his life) to lose the gizmo.

Yeah I can believe that. Remember several years ao when this man came up with a special carb or something that would get 100 mpg? It was on the news ONCE, then you never heard anything else about it. Guess the blackcoats had a visit with him also.

[Shakey]

This is one f**ked up thread! 

[Recharger]

I can only assume you are all being responsible and wearing your aluminum foil hats as you type at your computer, no?   Otherwise you-know-who will be reading your anti-big-government thoughts and coming for you as well.  

If medical "cures" are just about money and not about helping people, don't you think the governmentt (or any private industry) would jump all over a cure for AIDS or cancer?   Can you think of anything that would generate more money than that would?   It's virtually the license to print money.   Whoever figures it out first can go buy all the oil fields in the world.   Think Sheik Muhamed al whoever wouldn't give up a few million to cure himself or a hot little harem member?   It just blows my mind that some people think some shady character in a smoky room in D.C. is sitting on the recipe for a cure, just so Pfizer can sell a few more pills next year.       

Here's your homework assignment for today...Find out how much money the U.S. government put towards medical/scientific research last year.   Then find out how much of that went directly to cancer and AIDS research.   If you have a lot of time to kill, (ahem, Silver) find out how many different research projects are ongoing in the U.S. alone on these subjects.   Then write me a report, 500 words or less convincing me that it is all a sham, and the cure has been found and ignored.  

Quite a can o worms you opened here Silver.   Good work.

[Telvis]

 


Crop circles are messages from aliens that the world is going to end due to solar flares. They are signalling us to go underground for protection.  Some of the signs also indicate that Elvis is still alive. Also the aliens have given our government the technology for a perpetual motion engine but the evil rich oil companies have suppressed it. It's the truth...I promise!

[Troy]

Ok, you guys write this down - I'm going to post the cures to these worldwide problems right here...

1. AIDS: stop engaging in high risk behavior. Don't have unprotected sex (or any sex at all) and don't share needles when doing drugs. In the unfortunate event that you ever need a blood transfusion just refuse it and hope for the best.

2. Gas prices: stop buying gas. Move to the inner city and ride a bicycle to work or walk - don't take the bus because then you'll just be contributing to the overall gas crisis. Boycott any company which uses large trucks or heavy equipment (who needs groceries at the store when you can just grow your own).

There you have it. 99% of the AIDS "epidemic" will go away and worldwide oil reserves will be overflowing. So who's with me?









What? You don't want to give up sex, drugs or cars? That's rediculous!

The reality is that people don't want to "give up" anything even if they know life would be better/cheaper in the long run. I spend more money on lunch each week than gas but do you think I'm going to sit at the office and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at my desk? Nope - but I could. I spend more on gas each year than I have for some of the cars I've bought but will I buy a hybrid vehicle, find a job closer to my home, or stop driving on vacation or to visit my parents? Nope. I rode the bus exactly 4 times in my life and don't plan on doing it again. People (Americans especially) love their cars. I remember when SUVs were really a status symbol but now seemingly everyone has one. There is no law forcing people to drive gas guzzling cars - they buy them because that is what they want (or need) to have. The price of oil dropped $1.60 yesterday because... <surprise!> stockpiles of oil were growing. Supply exceeded demand. It sounds good in theory but I don't think people are to the point of abandoning their vehicles or spending a lot of money on conversions yet.

Back on topic, the alternative fuels are a great idea if they are available in your area. I wouldn't buy another car just because of it (costs more than gas) but if I already had one I'd be looking to utilize it as much as possible.

Troy

[Shakey]

Ok, you guys write this down - I'm going to post the cures to these worldwide problems right here...

1. AIDS: stop engaging in high risk behavior. Don't have unprotected sex (or any sex at all) and don't share needles when doing drugs. In the unfortunate event that you ever need a blood transfusion just refuse it and hope for the best.

2. Gas prices: stop buying gas. Move to the inner city and ride a bicycle to work or walk - don't take the bus because then you'll just be contributing to the overall gas crisis. Boycott any company which uses large trucks or heavy equipment (who needs groceries at the store when you can just grow your own).

There you have it. 99% of the AIDS "epidemic" will go away and worldwide oil reserves will be overflowing. So who's with me?









What? You don't want to give up sex, drugs or cars? That's rediculous!

The reality is that people don't want to "give up" anything even if they know life would be better/cheaper in the long run. I spend more money on lunch each week than gas but do you think I'm going to sit at the office and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at my desk? Nope - but I could. I spend more on gas each year than I have for some of the cars I've bought but will I buy a hybrid vehicle, find a job closer to my home, or stop driving on vacation or to visit my parents? Nope. I rode the bus exactly 4 times in my life and don't plan on doing it again. People (Americans especially) love their cars. I remember when SUVs were really a status symbol but now seemingly everyone has one. There is no law forcing people to drive gas guzzling cars - they buy them because that is what they want (or need) to have. The price of oil dropped $1.60 yesterday because... <surprise!> stockpiles of oil were growing. Supply exceeded demand. It sounds good in theory but I don't think people are to the point of abandoning their vehicles or spending a lot of money on conversions yet.

Back on topic, the alternative fuels are a great idea if they are available in your area. I wouldn't buy another car just because of it (costs more than gas) but if I already had one I'd be looking to utilize it as much as possible.

Troy

Well said.  No one wants to give up anything.

[hemihead]

 I live in the Pittsburgh area and about 3 years ago on the 6 o'clock News , they did a story on Carnegie Mellon students who converted a Diesel engine to run on Vegetable Oil.They even could run it on used Vegetable Oil.And what ever happened to the Chrysler Turbine?It would run on Grain Alcohol, Wood Alcohol, or any kind of liquid fuel pretty much.And the Carb that was mentioned earlier was called a Pogue if I remember right.
I hate these Gas prices as much as anyone but all it would take is just don't buy any for one day.Everyone in the country.But no one can seem to band together or stop driving the SUV for one day.Our rights are being walked on and taken away everyday in this country because we let the government do it.Is this what our loved ones died for in WW II?

[Crazy440]

Back on topic, the alternative fuels are a great idea if they are available in your area. I wouldn't buy another car just because of it (costs more than gas) but if I already had one I'd be looking to utilize it as much as possible.

Troy

This thread sure went south.   The topic was about cars already in use, that can use E85.   The CBS news report, I saw, was done from Las Wages.   Gas was around $3.00/ga and the E85 was around $1.85.   Was just trying to inform, not insight.

[ChargerBill]

Well, here's how I see it - based on the facts i could readily find on the internet:

E85 is about $1.90 per gallon
The government picks up an additional cost of about 60 ¢ - (which means that I as a tax payer have been paying for E85 all along)
E85 will decrease mileage by about 30% - (which means I will be filling up more often - IF I can find E85)
Factor in the 30% decrease in mileage and E85 costs about the EXACT same amount as gasoline for the same amount of miles driven
ALSO, E85 is more expensive to produce and takes more energy to produce than gasoline. Hmmmm, what a GREAT solution

Yes, my Silverado is a flex vehicle - NO, I will not take advantage of the great hassles and inconveniences that using E85 will create for me....

It kills me that everyone thinks recycling and alternative fuels are sooo much better than the way things are done. Sure, recycling cleans the environment a bit (not significantly) but here's just one example: it takes MORE energy to recycle a lightbulb than the energy that lightbulb will use over it's lifetime - great advantage right?

[Troy]

What part of the government is controlling gas prices? Not buying gas for ONE day will only make the demand go up on the next day(s). You aren't going to accomplish a thing that way because the oil companies won't even see a dent in profits. Call Opec and get them to up the production. While you're at it, build a few new refineries because the ones we have are at capacity.

We've covered the vegetable oil topic before. I don't see everyone ruuning out and buying conversion kits. Maybe I'll start selling those to pay for my gas...

Troy


Troy

[RD]

i love this sheit.   its funny to see the conspiracy theorists pop out of nowhere in reference to funny cure alls and such.   I truly am not hampered too much by these earthly measures.   They are just a microcosm in the whole grand picture anyways.

live, be merry, have children, and drive chargers!   anything else is just a facade.

[Troy]

Back on topic, the alternative fuels are a great idea if they are available in your area. I wouldn't buy another car just because of it (costs more than gas) but if I already had one I'd be looking to utilize it as much as possible.

Troy

This thread sure went south.  The topic was about cars already in use, that can use E85.  The CBS news report, I saw, was done from Las Wages.  Gas was around $3.00/ga and the E85 was around $1.85.  Was just trying to inform, not insight.

I think I agreed with you.(?) If I already owned one I would try it out and see how the performance compared to regular fuel. I'm not going to rush out and buy one though.

I don't think I hijacked the thread - I was just responding.

Troy

[LahTera]

Well, conspiracy theorists kind of have a reason to disbelieve that the government wants to help cure things when the prices of medicines and insurance rates have skyrocketed like they have.  Believe it or not, people DO DIE because of lack of money for medicine or medical procedures.  That just shouldn't be happening in this day and age.

I did go to the web page on E85, but didn't read the whole thing, I admit.  Sounds like an idea, tho.

As for lightbulbs --

It kills me that everyone thinks recycling and alternative fuels are sooo much better than the way things are done. Sure, recycling cleans the environment a bit (not significantly) but here's just one example: it takes MORE energy to recycle a lightbulb than the energy that lightbulb will use over it's lifetime - great advantage right?

They rig those things to blow at a certain time, man!  I kid you not!  I replace 4 lightbulbs in my house, and then they all go out at approximately the same time.  I remember years ago, they lasted much longer!  So maybe we should be kickin G.E. ?? LOL!

LahTera

[Old Moparz]

I don't need any alternative fuel for my old Mopars. They either don't run, don't have a motor, or they're off the road because I need to fix something else. Boy, am I saving money right now! 

[Big Lebowski]

  Well you dont have to be a conspiracy theorist to know the REAL reason gas is so expensive, which is....Gas refineries are at 90% capacity for making gas. And WHY haven't we built a gas refinery in this country in the last 20 years??? Ask your Tree hugging environmentalist whacko Sierra club loving Senators why.
      Gas is 7$ a gallon in the UK, most of it is taxes, and you aint seen nothin yet, wait untill these commie enviro terrorists (Earth Liberation Front, Greenpeace, etc,) get there Kyoto treaty passed in the USA. The Global Warming treaty will destroy our economy and your Charger will be crushed with a legislative mandate to smash EVERYTHING with a carb/open tank vent system, that means a non fuel injected car for those of you in Rio Linda.

[Dale The Bold]

1. AIDS: stop engaging in high risk behavior. Don't have unprotected sex (or any sex at all) and don't share needles when doing drugs.

Holy crap, man, I've been all but lynched for saying that same thing.  Keep sex within marriage, (that means be patient and wait until you're married, and for crying out loud, DON'T cheat on your spouse!), and not just AIDS, but ALL STDs would become extinct within a single generation.  But, noooo, people gotta screw like cats...and in between that, they gotta ostracize the guy who suggested the use of common sense.

As far as gas prices, I do find it weird that people complain about that so much more than anything else.  My theory is that it's because of the demonization of the "faceless oil corporations."

[Silver R/T]

I side with Silver in the natural cures thing. Take cancer for example, it can't exist in an acidic environment. All you have to do is get your body pH level lower than 7, and it'll destroy any cancer. People who don't believe there are cures for this kind of stuff don't realize the money generated from it. This world is all about money, not helping one another. I know of a Chinese herb shop who sells cures for AIDS too, and they work (I was told), and are natural.

thanks for backing me up on here, usually most everyone hates me. Is it because Im german? lol Im just kidding, im not german, but theres funny store behind that one. If I get enough requests I might post it lol.

[Chargerguy74]

I wanna here it.....post it up.

Don't mean to send this thread south again, but Recharger, what would make more money, curing someone once and for all, or giving them temporary cures keeping them coming back for more?

I heard about that 100mpg carb. I also read in a magazine about 4 years ago that the guy was killed (off) in a car accident, and his shop with all the plans somehow caught fire and burned down. Hmmm coincidence? BTW, german scientists successfully created synthetic fuel back in WWII......the plans were hidden away and the scientists killed. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's the truth.

[FastbackJon]

I read today that in Caracas, Venezuala they had the lowest gas prices in the world back in Septempber 2000, at a mere 40 US cents per gallon. I think Oslo, Norway was the highest, at $5.48 US a gallon. London was next highest, with Paris and others following.

I wouldn't mind moving to Venezuela and driving my Charger around there... ...althought the cost of living might be significantly less than what it is here. I wonder which city has the best fuel prices based on their local cost of living estimates?

[FastbackJon]

Usually most everyone hates me. Is it because Im german?

I don't think most everyone hates you. You just have a big mouth, say lots of poignant things, and take offense too easily.

[will]

  Build more nuclear power plants. Old weapons are generating electricity. The pollution generated is still in the plants where the power is generated. A typical fuel assembly is 12 feet tall and 18" square.

[BigBlockSam]

just paid $80 to fill my duallys tank and that was regular.

[LahTera]

It runs me $60.00 (or it did at the beginning of this summer) to fill my tank with the best.

LahTera

[Silver R/T]

Usually most everyone hates me. Is it because Im german?

I don't think most everyone hates you. You just have a big mouth, say lots of poignant things, and take offense too easily.

umm was I asking you...

[LahTera]

Well, I don't hate you!

I feel there's some truth to some of what you've said.  If people can make money over saving people, they tend to do just that. 

I'm surprised more people haven't gone John Q.  Personally, I'm feeling very close to that state of mind .....

LahTera

[FastbackJon]

umm was I asking you...

Is this a public forum?

[Silver R/T]

Usually most everyone hates me. Is it because Im german?

I don't think most everyone hates you. You just have a big mouth, say lots of poignant things, and take offense too easily.

umm I take offense too easy? I joked and you took offense too easy dont talk about yourself and point fingers at me.

[KMPX2]

$2.62 was the best price I saw today here in MICH

[Charger1970]

do you think I'm going to sit at the office and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at my desk?

I love peanut butter and jelly. I like Peter Pan peanut butter and Welch's grape jelly the best. Yum.

[Silver R/T]

I like peanut butter without anything

[jaak]

I don't think docs and insurance guys are tryin' to get rich off misfortunes.... I think its year one, everytime I've ordered something, when I call its twice as high as in the latest catalog.... and they 'cob' you on shipping too.... you pay 20 bux for shipping that probably actually cost 7-8.  lol.
....or everyone with a orange 68 69 70 charger that's orange with a 1 on the doors, lol.

[Steve P.]

After driving my 2002, V-10, F-250, Super Duty, Crew Cab, GAS EATING MONSTER to my doctors office in Tampa, (36 miles away), I had a conversation with another patients husband. It started with something said on MS NBC. Anyway, long story short, he tells me that his boss is from Brazil. The boss says that Brazil DOES NOT buy fuel from anyone or anywhere else. Says the cars are run on corn alcohol,(I think), and all trucks are run on Veggie oil...

I am one of those guys that likes the idea of using both of these fuels.. NOT to say that I think EVERY vehicle HAS to conform to this. I just think it makes some sense.. Farmers are just waiting for some profits from their land. Bush kind of put an end to FOOD FOR FUEL.. From what I have been reading diesels run rather well on Veggie oil...

I think this would produce more NEEDED jobs IN AMERICA and at the same time redice emitions.

Having a wreck with Veggie Oil would be slick..   OK, that was corny.. I for one have been thinking about going back to a diesel and paying very little to drive it.. There are plenty of fast food and Chinese joints around here that PAY to get rid of their used fry grease..   There is even a club here in St. Pete that have been driving for little to nothing since 1999.....  

They make a good argument..

[charger72]

I live in iowa, and Ethanol is a primary gas source that we make. I personally dont like useing it any anything. I have a older chevy suburban for plowing and it backfires on it, one of my chargers is starting to do it to. Plus, iv'e noticed on alot of newer vehicles that run it, they have a really nasty fume smell to them. I use it sometimes since it is only $1.35 here and $1.40 for premium.

[AKcharger]

I think Ethanol is now considered by many as evil since it's making people starve all over the world. Funny a lot of the same people that said Ethanol was the way to go are saying it's bad now.

DRILL HERE DRILL NOW!

[Nacho-RT74]

Hey! what an old thread coming floated on!!!

I read today that in Caracas, Venezuala they had the lowest gas prices in the world back in Septempber 2000, at a mere 40 US cents per gallon.

Is still today, not in Caracas only, is in all the country. I fill the tank of my charger with around US$3

Anyway just to let you know, gas price is goverment controlled and subsidied. That's the reason why the price is that low. Without that, it would be higher. Still lot cheaper tha rest of the worl, but noticeable higher

[HKCharger]

I just found out that my Ol'Ladies Sable "DD", (I know, it's a Ferd product) is a flex fuel vehicle.   Now all I need, is to live around a place that has the E85 fuel.
This is an interesting read.   There are alot of cars that are flex, but people don't know it. Plus going over this site, there are quit a few places that sale it and more getting it, everyday.   Be sure to read the FAQ section.   Hell, we could be Import free, if Detroit would get off their asses.   Did you know, all cars sold in Brazil have to be flex cars. Ford, GM, Chrysler, Ricers, ect?   Why not here? One bushel of corn makes over two gallons of Ethanol.

http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php

I have an E85 vehicle, I stopped using E85 since it was costing me MPG, about 4-5 mpg.

[Mike DC]

The conspiracy stuff about 100-mpg cars cracks me up.


If an easy carb-swap or something could really get 100 mpg from a 1970s-era autmobile, then it would also make it possible to get a couple thousand horsepower and still keep the stock gas mileage. 

So, has the entire auto-racing and hot-rodding world ALL been hushed up?  Does everyone stop at a certain E.T. with their drag cars, because the black helicopters would come for them if they ever crack a 6.00 in public or something? 



If there was any easy way to get tons more power out of an old automible motor, then WE are the most likely people on the planet to have found it. 

       

[suntech]

just paid $80 to fill my duallys tank and that was regular.

Lucky you!!!!!!  Here in Norway it costs app 350 usd to fill up my dually, and that is diesel

[craigandlynda]

don't like e85....no guts, horrible mileage...raises corn prices, thereby starving mexicans...i feel gasoline is the most practical fuel for portable power (as in cars), nuclear for generating electricity, coal for steel furnaces and other large heat uses...and, until someone invents a "miracle" battery for electric cars, we should find and use as much american oil as possible, and politically thwart OPEC and the desert bandits that have been robbing the world for the last thirty years...

oh, and by the way, i prefer JIF peanut butter...after all, choosey mothers choose Jif...and everyone knows that MoPar afficienados are a bunch of choosey mothers! 

[gordo1968charger]

when i drive my taxi on a weekend i used to worry about getting mugged,now i worry someone hijacks the full tank of diesel at 6 quid a gallon

[aussiemuscle]

Well, here's how I see it - based on the facts i could readily find on the internet:

E85 is about $1.90 per gallon
The government picks up an additional cost of about 60 ¢ - (which means that I as a tax payer have been paying for E85 all along)
E85 will decrease mileage by about 30% - (which means I will be filling up more often - IF I can find E85)
Factor in the 30% decrease in mileage and E85 costs about the EXACT same amount as gasoline for the same amount of miles driven
ALSO, E85 is more expensive to produce and takes more energy to produce than gasoline. Hmmmm, what a GREAT solution

Yes, my Silverado is a flex vehicle - NO, I will not take advantage of the great hassles and inconveniences that using E85 will create for me....

Ever heard of peak oil? ethanol is supposed to ease that, not save the environment or inconvenience you.