Ontario Canada has ban all indoor smoking , should the USA do the samething?

[Todd Wilson]

It has good and bad points.   Its great in a restaurant not to have to smell it.   


In bars I would say thats a different story.   Theres nothing really healthy about going to the bar anyways so why would it matter if theres smoke there or not.  I have had some times though over the years where I spent the evening in a smokey bar  and the next day was real rough on my lungs. I almost think that was worse then the possible hang over I had.   Couldnt breath and my lungs hurt. But I knew that when I went there. Everyone goes to the bar to consume their poisens.


Todd

[purple70rt]

Remember the good old days?....when political discussions were not allowed in Off Topic Discussion.

Raising a topic simply to stir up folks gets real old real fast, dude.

Peace,

Neal

This anti smoking stuff really pisses me off. I need another smoke to cool off, wish a a few of you "perfect", smoke free people were here to smell it.

[Sweet T]

I think we should ban this topic from the forums.  This is way too negative.  Why don't you all just sit down have a smoke and chill out.

[dodge freak]

Gosh I never thought posting a few adult topics would cause such a fuss . And here people were telling me I am like only 13 years old . Grow up guys, what else would you like to talk about ? Just thought I get a feel as to what type of people are on here and how they feel about a few things .

Maybe next time I just ask whats everybody favorite type of ice cream ? Or if somebody saids chocolate will that get people upset ?

[Shakey]

Gosh I never thought posting a few adult topics would cause such a fuss . And here people were telling me I am like only 13 years old . Grow up guys, what else would you like to talk about ? Just thought I get a feel as to what type of people are on here and how they feel about a few things .

Maybe next time I just ask whats everybody favorite type of ice cream ? Or if somebody saids chocolate will that get people upset ?

How about this topic:

What do you guys think about the new Charger? 

[Johnny SixPack]

Gosh I never thought posting a few adult topics would cause such a fuss . And here people were telling me I am like only 13 years old . Grow up guys, what else would you like to talk about ? Just thought I get a feel as to what type of people are on here and how they feel about a few things .

Maybe next time I just ask whats everybody favorite type of ice cream ? Or if somebody saids chocolate will that get people upset ?

How about this topic:

What do you guys think about the new Charger? 

I think that the use of them should be banned in public places.

[Steve P.]

How about this topic:

What do you guys think about the new Charger? 

I think everyone should be able to smoke in the new Chargers if they would like.....   

Florida did pass the NO SMOKING BAN a few years ago. As a smoker I can tell you I don't mind it at all.. I just don't go out to eat anymore. Nor do I ever go to bars..  I just smoke my butt off and blow shotguns through a garden hose into my 97 year old neighbors house. The old Bi$&@ is on oxygen and constantly raises hell about me growing dope in my yard and having too many cars and trucks up on blocks in my front yard.  Ok so half of an old Power Wagon is in her yard!! I did stop the dobermans from crapping on her front porch!!  I figured that would have been good enough for her.. BUT NO!!


Just kidding.. The old lady moved last year....

[Arigmaster]

In my own opinion, I think the law-makers should just stay out of it....

I am a smoker, but I am considerate of others around me. (indoors or out) If I am around people who don't smoke, I will always ask before I light one, and have refrained if they were sensitive to it. Even though I do smoke, I still don't like to smell it if I am in a restaurant. I feel that people shouldn't smoke in them.

In a bar, people should be allowed to smoke if they like. Rather than banning it, the bar should take corrective action and install a decent ventilation system in the establishment so they dint get that ominous cloud/fog if people are smoking. For that little bit of heat or A/C that may be lost in ventilation, would probably come back in their pockets for the revenue lost from smoking customers being put out in the street.

I remember when some of the fast food chains put in the smoking area. (People aquariums) and thought that was a waste of money too. Putting them in bars would be nonsense too... Would remind me of going to the zoo... Look honey! Those are smokers!!!

I have always found that the worst crybaby's and advocates against smoking are ones who used to smoke them selves and figure that just because they quit...EVERYONE should. I think it may be driven more because the temptation hits them once in awhile to have one... Especially if they smell it around them. So, the pound the drum harder to eliminate it.

I don't think this thread is political at all... It's more general opinion. The only thing that makes this issue political is that the law-makers won't stay the hell out of it.

Just my two cents...

[doctorpimp]

I have always found that the worst crybaby's and advocates against smoking are ones who used to smoke them selves and figure that just because they quit...EVERYONE should. I think it may be driven more because the temptation hits them once in awhile to have one... Especially if they smell it around them. So, the pound the drum harder to eliminate it.
Just my two cents...

Hey Dude, I used to smoke and quit (smoked for 10 years, quit 6 yrs ago).  I don't give two shits what you or others do, but smoking indoors in a restaurant/bar etc rains on my parade.  Since the smoking ban, I can now go to a sports bar, have wings and leave smelling like ME, not an ashtray.  For the record I don't have cravings anymore.  The smell of smoke now makes me sick to my stomach (it's funny, my dad was an ex-smoker and he used to comment on how I smelled after smoking saying the smell makes him "physically sick")

Also, here in Canada we have publicly funded health care.  It's insane how much of MY tax $$ goes towards treating people with the self-inflicted incurrable lung cancer.
ALSO, last December my Mother-in-law died from lung cancer due to smoking.  Seeing her die was terrible, she was such a nice person.

[RD]

good for Canada

[Arigmaster]

As I said....

I am considerate of others around me. (indoors or out) If I am around people who don't smoke, I will always ask before I light one, and have refrained if they were sensitive to it. Even though I do smoke, I still don't like to smell it if I am in a restaurant. I feel that people shouldn't smoke in them.

I have always found that the worst crybaby's and advocates against smoking are ones who used to smoke them selves and figure that just because they quit...EVERYONE should.

The point I was trying to make is that the lawmakers should just stay out of it... Lets turn the tables... What if they forced non-smokers to stay out of an establishment or public place where they might want to go. It is a matter of consideration and courtesy to people around you...not something that should discriminate against people.

If you expose any lab rat to any environment long enough it will always show some effects from that environment. Thus, if you are a smoker or not and hang around in a poorly ventilated smokey bar...You run the same potential of exposure as the lab rat inside the smokey box.

AL   (aka "Dude")

[greenpigs]

Seriously, kid, do you like stirring shit up?  Because, it's gotten really God damned old.

Kid?

Your what 22?

Ghost your complaining about certain people is getting old.

  It's the establishments right to decide I think. If one bar is smoke free and thats what you like you patron it and vise-verse. Unless you live in a one horse town that should be fine and for restaurants go outside for your after dinner smoke.

[Lowprofile]

Sometimes, a picture is worth a thousand words.............

[dodge freak]

Hey you don't see me moving there, and its only 20 miles from my house. Yeah they are far from perfect, did you know Canada has no free speech ? You can't even complain about gays, blacks any group of people, called something about hate laws. Not a place I would want to call home, just a nice place to visit. Girls are nice , best thing Windsors got.

[RD]

You can't even complain about gays, blacks any group of people, called something about hate laws. Not a place I would want to call home,

ummm.... why did you only include "gays and blacks" in that comment?

I believe that statement says a lot right there.  One must learn to become culturally competent in a ever increasing culturally diverse world.

I wonder, can you complain about racist white people who make idiotic comments that bring to light specifically only two minorities?  Would that be against the hate laws?  Interesting 

[greenpigs]

You can't even complain about gays, blacks any group of people, called something about hate laws. Not a place I would want to call home,

ummm.... why did you only include "gays and blacks" in that comment?

I believe that statement says a lot right there.  One must learn to become culturally competent in a ever increasing culturally diverse world.

I wonder, can you complain about racist white people who make idiotic comments that bring to light specifically only two minorities?  Would that be against the hate laws?  Interesting 

If I was a mod you wouldn't like me much RD.

[hemihead]

I find it fascinating how so many people that did great things raised a generation of anal retentive cry babies.I hate to tell you whining anti smokers that there is more dangerous things in the air than tobacco smoke.Oh, and why is it that the yuppies don't like smoke in the bars but they do have the bars everyone( including women)go and smoke cigars?What about all the anti smokers who complain about smoke but want Pot legalized ?There is more toxic waste in pot than any cigarette ( just check your government studies and the surgeon general on that).And for you Canadians that cry about your tax money being you to help cancer patients, what about the tax dollars spent for liver diease or drug addiction?
  What it all comes down to is popular option supressing the rights of indivuals.This generation seems to think that " hey i'm right so everyone that doesn't think the same is wrong. So if I don't do something nobody else should be allowed to do it."
Yes , I'm a smoker. I don't smoke around people who don't like it. I don't smoke in resturants or near food.But I am also a non- drinker.Do I think alcohol should be banned?Yes. Is it going to happen?No.It's popular opinion , whoever has the most supporters wins.At least when I smoke , I'm not going to hit someone walking,wreck into a car or house, or go home and want to fight everyone.All I have to say to the anti - smoking Nazi's is grow up and stop whining and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS or the next rights taken away may be your own.

[Shakey]

I have always found that the worst crybaby's and advocates against smoking are ones who used to smoke them selves and figure that just because they quit...EVERYONE should. I think it may be driven more because the temptation hits them once in awhile to have one... Especially if they smell it around them. So, the pound the drum harder to eliminate it.
Just my two cents...

Hey Dude, I used to smoke and quit (smoked for 10 years, quit 6 yrs ago).  I don't give two shits what you or others do, but smoking indoors in a restaurant/bar etc rains on my parade.  Since the smoking ban, I can now go to a sports bar, have wings and leave smelling like ME, not an ashtray.  For the record I don't have cravings anymore.  The smell of smoke now makes me sick to my stomach (it's funny, my dad was an ex-smoker and he used to comment on how I smelled after smoking saying the smell makes him "physically sick")

Also, here in Canada we have publicly funded health care.  It's insane how much of MY tax $$ goes towards treating people with the self-inflicted incurrable lung cancer.
ALSO, last December my Mother-in-law died from lung cancer due to smoking.  Seeing her die was terrible, she was such a nice person.

I used to smoke and quit (smoked for 10 years, quit 6 yrs ago).

So, when you smoked - it was ok to smoke in a bar after enjoying a few wings and a beer - correct?

I don't give two shits what you or others do, but smoking indoors in a restaurant/bar etc rains on my parade.

It sounds as though you do care what others do because it affects you - correct?  Your parade, what about the person enjoying the cigarette after dinner, that is their parade!

Also, here in Canada we have publicly funded health care.  It's insane how much of MY tax $$ goes towards treating people with the self-inflicted incurrable lung cancer.

So you smoked for 10 years and quit 6 years ago.  A tip of the hat because from what I am told, that is one of the most difficult habits a person can break.  Good for you.  However, do you think that there is absolutely no chance that you may get lung cancer?  How do you know that cancer has not already started to form and is laying wait to appear in say 10, 20 or 30 years from now?  I hope it's not but I'll bet you wouldn't mind YOUR tax dollars being spent on you - correct?  What about your Mother-in-Law - did you tell her how insane it was that YOUR tax dollars were being used to help her?  Did she pay taxes?  Did her Husband?  I did and I do every year.  I don't mind.  Hell, I've heard of people getting lung cancer that never smoked, should they not get treated because they have lung cancer and they could be lying about never smoking?

This all sounds very selfish to me.  Kinda like, "hey I am not one of those folks anymore, so f**k 'em - correct?

If you think the Canadian Government did something great by banning smoking in public places, and folks that's the truth - not just restaurants and bars, but parks and beaches as well, then think again.  If they wanted to truly get rid of smoking then they would make it illegal.  But why would they do that when the taxes on cigarettes generate millions of dollars every year.

So you all know, I don't care that they banned smoking in restaurants as it does create a more pleasant environment but the attitude of the non-smokers, especially the former smokers is what bothers me!

Time to look at yourself and realize that you were once part of the problem!

[Shakey]

Hey you don't see me moving there, and its only 20 miles from my house. Yeah they are far from perfect, did you know Canada has no free speech ? You can't even complain about gays, blacks any group of people, called something about hate laws. Not a place I would want to call home, just a nice place to visit. Girls are nice , best thing Windsors got.

Hey you don't see me moving there, and its only 20 miles from my house.

Good!  Stay where you are.  We have plenty of other, ummm, folks up here that are already upset that they can't complain about the Blacks and the Gays.  We don't need anymore racists.

Yeah they are far from perfect

And here I thought that all 30,000,000 of us were perfect.  (BTW - that number is 30 Million)

did you know Canada has no free speech

You are correct!  As I type this I have a Police Officer as well as a representative of the Canadian Government standing over my shoulder checking to see what I am typing.  It's kinda cool as they help me with the Queen's English!

Not a place I would want to call home

Thank God!

[Arigmaster]

Hey DF... That's a whole other issue... I thought we were discussing smoking in public places...

 

[Spike]

They should ban cigarettes altogether, with the money that no longer would be spent on cancer treatment and other ailments from smoking they could adopt and pay for a national heath care system.

[dodge freak]

I am not the one who started putting down Canada . I believe in free speech, but not in the right to bear arms . So I guess I am half American and half Canadian . Some of my best friends are black, you can't complain about any groups of people in Canada , thats all I was saying. You can't even tell jokes about them.

Ban tobacco-yes the groverments makes too much money off it they never ban it. England is talking about raising the smoking age from 16 to 17 or 18 years old. Canada has said maybe it should be 21 years old or even 19 like the drinking age, it might be 19 but not enforced much.

You can eat pot and still get high, if people want to chew tobacco thats fine with me so long as they don't spit all over the floor.

Funny how some of you who complain about me also believe in the right to have guns. What about free speech, or are you like me but the other way around. No free speech but buy all the guns you like ?