Burnt Daytona "Hot Stove Lounge" Discussion...

Beep Beep Dave · July 01, 2006, 05:39:08 PM

I think you guys might enjoy this:
http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/MofMjuly2006.html

Is about the Mopar of the Month for July the burnt Daytona from Ebay...I asked a bunch of Mopar guys their opinion and that page is what I came up with.

Don't forget to vote!!!

Dave

nascarxx29 · July 01, 2006, 06:59:10 PM

It couldnt resurface as a barn fresh find.It is well established is as it is from pictures and vin.Same goes for my wrecked superbird anyone taking its remains and remaking that car .Would be caught in a sec .By introducing that car back into the wingcar population.But if one choose to resurect that car with its flagged vin.And make it a driver shower etc.Thats fine.If they try to sell it .Its past history would quickly be recalled.Thats why I never allowed any of my parted superbird etc other mopars I salvaged out rotted wrecked to the point that were only good for there numbers.To see the road again.I keep that paperwork and numbers as mopar momentos

tan top · July 02, 2006, 07:47:02 AM

intresting opinion 's .

. the more you look

at it the worse it seems to look $:-\$

RallyeMike · July 02, 2006, 10:11:29 AM

Very interesting discussion. Thye didnt have my option for voting: Hang the body on a Nascar chassis and race it !

dkn1997 · July 02, 2006, 10:49:15 AM

very interesing reading. I would like to see someone fix the nose and wing, try to cut out the window plug and put them on a clone and show the car with pics of the rust heap the daytona parts came off of.

MetallicA · July 02, 2006, 03:50:31 PM

hey Dave its will man that page is great, i think i agree with the one where the person says he would create a tribute car with both Vin's riveted on the car, that way you could see what the car was like in its prime AND its legit no re bodying and the chargers story goes on

Beep Beep Dave · July 03, 2006, 04:18:38 PM

Quote from: tan top on July 02, 2006, 07:47:02 AM
intresting opinion 's . . the more you look at it the worse it seems to look $:-\$

Thats what I keep thinking...poor poor car!!!
I had alot of fun doing up that page and sharing it, hopefully if someone ever does buy it they will google or ask one of the Registries about the VIN 1st!
I hope you guys enjoy it!

Dave

Hemi_tyme · July 03, 2006, 10:19:35 PM

Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on July 01, 2006, 05:39:08 PM
I think you guys might enjoy this:
http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/MofMjuly2006.html

Is about the Mopar of the Month for July the burnt Daytona from Ebay...I asked a bunch of Mopar guys their opinion and that page is what I came up with.

Don't forget to vote!!!

Dave

Hi Dave
Maybe this will help
Ken

Hemi_tyme · July 03, 2006, 10:21:44 PM

Sorry forgot the link.........my bad
http://www.moparstyle.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69832
Ken

Lowprofile · July 03, 2006, 11:43:05 PM

If there was ever a candidate for a re-body, this car is it. If I owned it, I would fully document the re-construction of the car, and if ever sold, I would never sell it as an original.

My

Ghoste · July 03, 2006, 11:51:55 PM

Of course, a couple of owners down the road, and before you know it...

Lowprofile · July 04, 2006, 01:10:41 AM

Quote from: Ghoste on July 03, 2006, 11:51:55 PM
Of course, a couple of owners down the road, and before you know it...

That is very true.......

Beep Beep Dave · July 04, 2006, 08:09:44 AM

I noticed that the same guy won both auctions...I was hoping the clone up here in Canada was only gonna bring $12k or so, but $29k WOW!
Maybe the guy plans on making more than 1 Daytona

Anyway each to their own I guess!

Dave

69_500 · July 04, 2006, 11:26:24 AM

That or he is planning on using the parts from the other Daytona' to make the real Daytona whole again?

wingedone · July 05, 2006, 12:13:06 PM

Hi Dave,

Nice to see you again after a long time.

Excellent article, thanks for bringing out all the various opinions. Very interesting.

Thomas

BigBlockSam · July 05, 2006, 01:46:52 PM

rebody

Chris G. · July 05, 2006, 05:05:49 PM

Quote from: 69_500 on July 04, 2006, 11:26:24 AM
That or he is planning on using the parts from the other Daytona' to make the real Daytona whole again?

Is that even possible? Everything on that car is completely shot except for the VIN, which must have had some sort of fire retardant sprayed on it.

I think 99.9% of all people with any sort of common sense know exactly what is going to happen with that VIN...I mean car. What we actually hear about how it got "restored" from the current owner, is another thing all together.

69_500 · July 06, 2006, 03:13:07 AM

That is what I was meaning chris. Is he going to take the numbers from the real Daytona and the plug and put it in the other car. thus creating a Daytona.

deputycrawford · July 09, 2006, 10:53:18 AM

I have to say let it die. Hell, It's dead already. Mopars of that caliber are getting so much money BECAUSE they are rare and disappearing. If this one is allowed to finally be put to rest, the surviving correct ones become more valuable and desired. They get more press when they are seen and bring in new Mopar fans. If everyone made 71 Hemi Cuda Convertible 4-speed clones then the real ones wouldn't get nearly the attention. As much as I hate to say it. One must be sacrificed to let the others live without suspicion.

hemi68charger · July 09, 2006, 11:58:19 AM

I CAN NOT believe it's not going to be a "rebody"...... There's nothing left of the original body worth saving...........

Troy

69_500 · July 09, 2006, 03:38:22 PM

Did I just read that right? About the clone 71 HEMI cuda converts? I've probably seen 15-20 71 HEMI Cuda convertible clones over the past 4-5 years. They are definately more of them out there than one would think. Getting to be a pretty common site at car shows in my opinion.

deputycrawford · July 09, 2006, 11:28:56 PM

69 500. I did not know that. I have not seen even one. There can't be too many out there. I good Hemi and good 71 Cuda are probably hard to find anyway. I will look for clones at the nats this year. I'm not saying I don't believe in them. I would own one in a second. I'm just saying that the VIN should be left on the vehicle so crooks don't try to make money from them. I do tend to agree with Hemi68charger. That rebody would just be a re-VIN and nothing more. That's not cool to me. I even thought of making mine a "Dayclona". I changed my mind but love to see them anyway. This one just seems wrong to me.

69_500 · July 10, 2006, 05:15:34 PM

Well as far as the VIN's being wrong on the 71 HEMI cuda's that is a different story. I personally think that a couple of them are rebodies but that is solely my opinion. As far as clones go though I've probably seen 15-20 though at various shows around the country. Even a few local shows I've seen some at.

deputycrawford · July 11, 2006, 12:07:48 AM

Having a few clones around definitely keeps the interest alive. Clones can be cool. I have seen clones of many things, but the owner puts the VIN in the open at the event. That's fine.I just don't think you should put a VIN plate on another car altogether and claim that is the real one.

Daytona Guy · July 11, 2006, 01:22:24 PM

What if....

Anything that is made of metal can be repaired. Insane? Yes, but not impossible.

Here is the question. How much can be saved where this car can retain its original status? Is there a percentage that is stated that has to be original to retain its original status?

Personally, at the end of the postings one guy stated that every car has a soul... I think that is a little to much for me. Do you hear TAPS playing? I'm grabbing my hanky.

P.S. I love that black background of that site. It is so much easier to read.

Beep Beep Dave · July 11, 2006, 01:50:12 PM

Quote from: Daytona Guy on July 11, 2006, 01:22:24 PM
What if....

one guy stated that every car has a soul... I think that is a little to much for me. Do you hear TAPS playing? I'm grabbing my hanky.

P.S. I love that black background of that site. It is so much easier to read.

Hey I guess I have to take the good with the bad

That was my comment

I am glad you like the site!

Hi back at ya Thomas, long time no see!!! Are you still taking great care of my Superbird???

Dave

Ghoste · July 16, 2006, 09:09:01 AM

There is a guy here in town who makes Hemi Cuda convertible clones (and not very good ones) for a retirement business. He used to be into fake Vettes until the Mopar prices went wild (the local Corvette fans are quite happy about his defection) and so there are a few out there.

69_500 · July 16, 2006, 05:29:34 PM

A retirement business huh. Hmmmm, well I'm about 40 years away from retirement so guess I can't start up a company like that. I'll stick t my video projects and hope they start panning out for the future.

Ghoste · July 17, 2006, 02:48:20 AM

He's a retired provincial cop (like a state trooper) who is doing this to keep busy. I don't know that he is getting all that rich from it because he doesn't do one bit of the work himself. He pays someone for all of it. He did similar cloning of Vettes when he was working full time. He just got into Mopars a few years ago and for the most part laughs at us Mopar guys because we have "more money than brains".
He has a Hemi Challenger clone he is trying to unload right now and a 68 Hemi Dart clone in the chute waiting to get finished.
Clone isn't even an accurate word since they are basically E-body convertibles with Crate Hemi's dropped in. But people will pay stupid money for them. His overhead has to be up there too though with not doing anything that would get his hands dirty.

40 years till you retire? I don't think you have to wait to get into the clone market, just find the right cars and do it.

69_500 · July 17, 2006, 06:39:16 PM

yeah 40 years and I'll be 68 isn't that about what they say that my generation will have to work till to retire? I only intend on working until I'm 58 though, and by then if I don't have enough in a 401K to retire then I just haven't invested enough or smart enough and I deserve to be a broke old man. Life isn't for only working, its for relaxing too. And I intend on doing that when I get up in age.

Not that 58 is old or anything, but by then I'll have the house paid for, kids out of the house and still be young enough to enjoy life with my wife and travel.

arrow · July 17, 2006, 08:57:14 PM

58 is old !!!!!!!!!!!! trust me , Im 58 --- it really isnt bad

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69_500 · July 18, 2006, 06:08:18 PM

58 is far from old. but then again it is much older than lets say 28.

wingedone · August 02, 2006, 11:18:58 AM

Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on July 11, 2006, 01:50:12 PM
Hi back at ya Thomas, long time no see!!! Are you still taking great care of my Superbird???

Dave

As best as I can.

So much to do...

Sorry this response is so late.

Charger Aficionado · June 17, 2012, 03:25:51 PM

I met the man that listed the eBay auction when I went out to look at a Challenger (which happened to be a "re-body")... He said the buyer on eBay came out w/ a screw driver, popped the VIN off, and said "thanks", after he paid him $30k. The seller says "well you have to take the whole thing, and buyer didn't want it, but then seller says "well it's going back on eBay" the buyer gets defensive and says "I'll go get a trailer"... haha...

Story goes: The people in the trailer park *(you can see behind photos in car) were BURNING TRASH IN THE CAB OF CAR!!!!!!! (Gunbarrel city TX).

Benji · June 17, 2012, 04:51:09 PM

Quote from: 69_500 on July 10, 2006, 05:15:34 PM
Well as far as the VIN's being wrong on the 71 HEMI cuda's that is a different story. I personally think that a couple of them are rebodies but that is solely my opinion. As far as clones go though I've probably seen 15-20 though at various shows around the country. Even a few local shows I've seen some at.

I know for a fact that one of the B5 1971 Hemi Cuda convertibles is a rebody. It was done in 1974 by the owner of a body shop in St. Clairsville, Ohio. He bought the needed parts from Richland Chrysler Plymouth in St.C. The original car was totaled in Cleveland, Ohio. A red 1971 383 'Cuda 'vert was the "donor" car. I think he sold it for about $4500.00 shortly after he finished it. I know he swapped the dash panel with the VIN tag but I doubt he restamped the core support or inside the trunk drip rail as he was only interested in making a few bucks and not defrauding anyone. Virtually all the car guys in town knew about the real history of this car and I think a local guy bought it. I'm guessing the other numbers have since been "cleaned up" as this can now is as valuable as a car can be. Back then it was just another 'Cuda on his lot for sale. I'm fairly sure the original engine and tranny were okay.

Benji

hotrod98 · June 17, 2012, 06:51:08 PM

That guy is good. I've never been able to get a vin plate off with a screwdriver without destroying it.

Arnie Cunningham · June 17, 2012, 10:48:05 PM

It seems to me that the real issue of contention here is not the actual mechanical process of reconstruction of a car. The issue that has some people bothered is the potential for misrepresentation of the car once it is done. I understand this. I don't like liars any more than the next person. However, nothing is going to stop the activity of reconstructing cars. Complete new body shells are now available for Chevelles. Soon Charger shells will follow. So, it seems the only satisfactory action to take involves documentation and education so that prospective future buyers can be informed buyers if they choose to be.

I have been kicking around the idea of creating a unique thread for every aero mopar. This would mean about 3000 threads would have to be created. The titles of the threads would have to follow a consistent format so that the search engine would be able to find and sort the cars. Input and data could be added to the thread as it came available. If needed, a series of threads for clones could also be added.

Also, the documentation of how to tell what is correct and incorrect could be developed. All this would aid future buyers in making informed choices.

Input please.

Alaskan_TA · June 17, 2012, 10:51:51 PM

QuoteInput please.

A large database of VINs is not hard to do. See http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/found.shtml

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