Ontario Canada has ban all indoor smoking , should the USA do the samething?

[dodge freak]

On a lighter note hopefully was reading about Ontario, Canada smoking ban thats a month old. The law says no one can smoke indoors in a public place, even bars. Said that business is way down at some places, and most are unhappy about it. I think its great, why should I have to smell that stuff? Second hand smoke kills people too so why should they be allowed to smoke indoors in public? Hope I will find more here that agrees with that.

[JimShine]

It is already a law in many states here in the US. My state passed it a few years ago. I know Noew York has a similar law as does California. I am sure there are many other states with it as well.

I like to smoke when I drink and at first I didn't like not being able to smoke atleast in a designated area of a bar where kids and people with health issues should really be, but I don't mind it at all now. It has cut back my trips to bars 90%.

It has been out of restaurants around here for atleast 10 years and I prefer it. I can't fathom trying to eat a meal with someone smoking at the next table.

[dodge freak]

But is it everywhere bars too, even if its a private club. In Canada there is no loopholes , the bars can't even put a roof outside to help cover the smokers from the rain. If so, I hope Michigan does it too. Its smoking in every bar here, can't believe people can smoke that stuff. If it was weed well when I was young I did that but tobacco no way, it stinks.

[Drache]

Here in BC a business can allow smoking indoors but must have seperate areas, and some have to even have the smoking area inclosed in it's own seperate room altogether.

[Shakey]

Yep!   

Everyone in ON is so f'in happy about the no smoking laws, they had a colourful parade on Sunday where 1M people showed up to celebrate the one month anniversary.   

I couldn't make it as I was working on my car.

[dodge freak]

Oh that what it was ? Sorry never mind.

[bull]

I only smoke when I'm on fire.

[Mefirst]

Sweden has banned indoor smoking aswell in public spaces, you are not even allowed to smoke in Pubs or Bars anymore, they have to have a ventilated but sealed smokeing room, othervice you just have to go stand outside...

Eventhough I sometimes enjoy a smoke when I drink beer I definately think this ban of smoking inside is a good thing.. I wouldnt mind if smoking was made illegal al together... The tax money spent treating smokers could be used to other things....

/Tom

[doctorpimp]

It's freaking awesome!
I can go out for wings at our local bar and not smell like an ashtray when I leave!
They say that business is down, but I think it's only the media playing that up.  Where else would people go for beers or food???  It's not like only select places banned it.  Maybe in border towns where it's just a short drive to a more smoking friendly state/province... but people will still go to bars and clubs etc.

[Charger1973]

I wish.  That sh*t stinks

[RallyeMike]

It's been Washington State Law for a little less than a year or so. You also cannot smoke within 30' of the entrance. I like it -  It makes it easier to get a good bar stool...

[Lightning]

we've had that law here in Florida for a couple years now, it's really nice not having to worry about it in a restaurant now.

[derailed]

I dont smoke, never did. I love going to a bar now and not smelling that shit. The older I get the more I hate it

[OttawaCharger]

Ottawa, Ontario had it for a few years before the province adapted the law.  I think that helped them cover all the loopholes as the laws in Ottawa were amended a few times to cover those loopholes.
Quebec, Canada has also banned indoor smoking province wide. 
No argument from me.  I always thought that having a 'no smoking' section in the restaurant was like having a no peeing section in the pool 

[Neal_J]

Remember the good old days?....when political discussions were not allowed in Off Topic Discussion.

Raising a topic simply to stir up folks gets real old real fast, dude.

Peace,

Neal

[defiance]

I used to smoke.  Then I realized that maybe it's wasn't a good idea to put things in my mouth and SET THEM ON FIRE!

Oh, that and I got tired of killing myself and those I cared about.

Seriously, I read about people arguing that they should be free to smoke, and I'm all for that.  As long as they can contain their harmful vapors, i'm all about it.  Smoke everywhere you want, but it should DAMN sure be illegal for you to put smoke in the air I'm breathing.  Think of it this way, would it be legal for me to walk around with a syringe with a miniscule amount of lead (enough that long-term repeated exposure would kill someone, but no immediate harm would be done) injecting people at random?? HELL NO!  So, the same should apply to poisoning people with smoke.

[TheGhost]

On a lighter note hopefully was reading about Ontario, Canada smoking ban thats a month old. The law says no one can smoke indoors in a public place, even bars. Said that business is way down at some places, and most are unhappy about it. I think its great, why should I have to smell that stuff? Second hand smoke kills people too so why should they be allowed to smoke indoors in public? Hope I will find more here that agrees with that.

Why the hell should we be unable to smoke if we want?  There is NO proof whatsoever that 2nd hand smoke kills.  None.

What's next, outlawing it in our own homes?  How about we outlaw alcohol while we are at it, too, since it can cause liver disease.  And, maybe we should ban high performance cars, since they are so dangerous on the roads!

Hell, I think New York is even debating a bill that would make it illegal to smoke OUTDOORS.  If not there, then where?


Seriously, kid, do you like stirring shit up?  Because, it's gotten really God damned old.

[TheGhost]

If it was weed well when I was young I did that but tobacco no way, it stinks.

Contradiction much here?


Hell, I had my first taste of weed over the weekend (didn't do anything for me, surprisingly enough.  not gonna bother trying it again, but I digress).  That shit smelled worse than the cigar I was smoking.

[doctorpimp]

There was an anti smoking "poster child" who died a few weeks ago here from lung cancer.  She was a waitress who worked in a smoke filled restaurant for 25 years.  She never smoked, her immediate family never smoked, but she got lung cancer from cigarette smoke...
There are plenty of cases of people who have never smoked, and then died of lung cancer.  I think that's proof.
I would have been like you ghost when I was 18, I smoked and was militant about being told I couldn't.
Quit, save your money and health...

[Lowprofile]

Remember the good old days?....when political discussions were not allowed in Off Topic Discussion.

Raising a topic simply to stir up folks gets real old real fast, dude.

Peace,

Neal

I guess its a good thing that your not a mod. 

[nh_mopar_fan]

On a lighter note hopefully was reading about Ontario, Canada smoking ban thats a month old. The law says no one can smoke indoors in a public place, even bars. Said that business is way down at some places, and most are unhappy about it. I think its great, why should I have to smell that stuff? Second hand smoke kills people too so why should they be allowed to smoke indoors in public? Hope I will find more here that agrees with that.

Why the hell should we be unable to smoke if we want?  There is NO proof whatsoever that 2nd hand smoke kills.  None.

You mean other than the surgeon generals report that came out yesterday?

[Ghoul]

Next thing you know they will be baning drinking alcohol in restaraunts & the bars will go out of business. Too many drunk drivers killing folks on the road & then what will it be next? It makes you wonder where this will all end. All fast food places are killing people too by putting too much crap in their food. Maybe they will be next. Or maybe old cars that put out too much poison from their exhaust? All of us better hope not! They are always banning something. How much do things like this really help? With the amount of toxins being put into the atmosphere from the large companies do we really know (even the so called experts) what is caused by which toxic substance in the air, water, etc? Take your pick

[dodge freak]

True the water is dirty and the air is fill with chemicals even the clothes we have on has chemicals that get in our body's but tobacco smoke does cause cancer and the surgeon general agrees that second hand smoke even for just a few mins. is harmfull  to people, after doctors been saying that for years now.

As for the rest of the items-alcohol , fast food , old cars you are right, one day somebody will go after them. When ever something happens people over do it. We have a right to bear arms-so now we have AK-47 being sold, somebody wants a fast car, so you can buy a brand new engine for $15,000  or a sports car for $300,000 etc.

Still think it be nice not to ever smell tobacco smoke if I don't want to, might even let me live a little longer-if all the other toxic stuff don't kill me first.

[REDNECK]

smokers should be able to smoke whenever they want

[defiance]

Agreed - and I should be able to inject people with trace amounts of lead whenever I want, too! 

[Todd Wilson]

It has good and bad points.   Its great in a restaurant not to have to smell it.   


In bars I would say thats a different story.   Theres nothing really healthy about going to the bar anyways so why would it matter if theres smoke there or not.  I have had some times though over the years where I spent the evening in a smokey bar  and the next day was real rough on my lungs. I almost think that was worse then the possible hang over I had.   Couldnt breath and my lungs hurt. But I knew that when I went there. Everyone goes to the bar to consume their poisens.


Todd

[purple70rt]

Remember the good old days?....when political discussions were not allowed in Off Topic Discussion.

Raising a topic simply to stir up folks gets real old real fast, dude.

Peace,

Neal

This anti smoking stuff really pisses me off. I need another smoke to cool off, wish a a few of you "perfect", smoke free people were here to smell it.

[Sweet T]

I think we should ban this topic from the forums.  This is way too negative.  Why don't you all just sit down have a smoke and chill out.

[dodge freak]

Gosh I never thought posting a few adult topics would cause such a fuss . And here people were telling me I am like only 13 years old . Grow up guys, what else would you like to talk about ? Just thought I get a feel as to what type of people are on here and how they feel about a few things .

Maybe next time I just ask whats everybody favorite type of ice cream ? Or if somebody saids chocolate will that get people upset ?

[Shakey]

Gosh I never thought posting a few adult topics would cause such a fuss . And here people were telling me I am like only 13 years old . Grow up guys, what else would you like to talk about ? Just thought I get a feel as to what type of people are on here and how they feel about a few things .

Maybe next time I just ask whats everybody favorite type of ice cream ? Or if somebody saids chocolate will that get people upset ?

How about this topic:

What do you guys think about the new Charger? 

[Johnny SixPack]

Gosh I never thought posting a few adult topics would cause such a fuss . And here people were telling me I am like only 13 years old . Grow up guys, what else would you like to talk about ? Just thought I get a feel as to what type of people are on here and how they feel about a few things .

Maybe next time I just ask whats everybody favorite type of ice cream ? Or if somebody saids chocolate will that get people upset ?

How about this topic:

What do you guys think about the new Charger? 

I think that the use of them should be banned in public places.

[Steve P.]

How about this topic:

What do you guys think about the new Charger? 

I think everyone should be able to smoke in the new Chargers if they would like.....   

Florida did pass the NO SMOKING BAN a few years ago. As a smoker I can tell you I don't mind it at all.. I just don't go out to eat anymore. Nor do I ever go to bars..  I just smoke my butt off and blow shotguns through a garden hose into my 97 year old neighbors house. The old Bi$&@ is on oxygen and constantly raises hell about me growing dope in my yard and having too many cars and trucks up on blocks in my front yard.  Ok so half of an old Power Wagon is in her yard!! I did stop the dobermans from crapping on her front porch!!  I figured that would have been good enough for her.. BUT NO!!


Just kidding.. The old lady moved last year....

[Arigmaster]

In my own opinion, I think the law-makers should just stay out of it....

I am a smoker, but I am considerate of others around me. (indoors or out) If I am around people who don't smoke, I will always ask before I light one, and have refrained if they were sensitive to it. Even though I do smoke, I still don't like to smell it if I am in a restaurant. I feel that people shouldn't smoke in them.

In a bar, people should be allowed to smoke if they like. Rather than banning it, the bar should take corrective action and install a decent ventilation system in the establishment so they dint get that ominous cloud/fog if people are smoking. For that little bit of heat or A/C that may be lost in ventilation, would probably come back in their pockets for the revenue lost from smoking customers being put out in the street.

I remember when some of the fast food chains put in the smoking area. (People aquariums) and thought that was a waste of money too. Putting them in bars would be nonsense too... Would remind me of going to the zoo... Look honey! Those are smokers!!!

I have always found that the worst crybaby's and advocates against smoking are ones who used to smoke them selves and figure that just because they quit...EVERYONE should. I think it may be driven more because the temptation hits them once in awhile to have one... Especially if they smell it around them. So, the pound the drum harder to eliminate it.

I don't think this thread is political at all... It's more general opinion. The only thing that makes this issue political is that the law-makers won't stay the hell out of it.

Just my two cents...

[doctorpimp]

I have always found that the worst crybaby's and advocates against smoking are ones who used to smoke them selves and figure that just because they quit...EVERYONE should. I think it may be driven more because the temptation hits them once in awhile to have one... Especially if they smell it around them. So, the pound the drum harder to eliminate it.
Just my two cents...

Hey Dude, I used to smoke and quit (smoked for 10 years, quit 6 yrs ago).  I don't give two shits what you or others do, but smoking indoors in a restaurant/bar etc rains on my parade.  Since the smoking ban, I can now go to a sports bar, have wings and leave smelling like ME, not an ashtray.  For the record I don't have cravings anymore.  The smell of smoke now makes me sick to my stomach (it's funny, my dad was an ex-smoker and he used to comment on how I smelled after smoking saying the smell makes him "physically sick")

Also, here in Canada we have publicly funded health care.  It's insane how much of MY tax $$ goes towards treating people with the self-inflicted incurrable lung cancer.
ALSO, last December my Mother-in-law died from lung cancer due to smoking.  Seeing her die was terrible, she was such a nice person.

[RD]

good for Canada

[Arigmaster]

As I said....

I am considerate of others around me. (indoors or out) If I am around people who don't smoke, I will always ask before I light one, and have refrained if they were sensitive to it. Even though I do smoke, I still don't like to smell it if I am in a restaurant. I feel that people shouldn't smoke in them.

I have always found that the worst crybaby's and advocates against smoking are ones who used to smoke them selves and figure that just because they quit...EVERYONE should.

The point I was trying to make is that the lawmakers should just stay out of it... Lets turn the tables... What if they forced non-smokers to stay out of an establishment or public place where they might want to go. It is a matter of consideration and courtesy to people around you...not something that should discriminate against people.

If you expose any lab rat to any environment long enough it will always show some effects from that environment. Thus, if you are a smoker or not and hang around in a poorly ventilated smokey bar...You run the same potential of exposure as the lab rat inside the smokey box.

AL   (aka "Dude")

[greenpigs]

Seriously, kid, do you like stirring shit up?  Because, it's gotten really God damned old.

Kid?

Your what 22?

Ghost your complaining about certain people is getting old.

  It's the establishments right to decide I think. If one bar is smoke free and thats what you like you patron it and vise-verse. Unless you live in a one horse town that should be fine and for restaurants go outside for your after dinner smoke.

[Lowprofile]

Sometimes, a picture is worth a thousand words.............

[dodge freak]

Hey you don't see me moving there, and its only 20 miles from my house. Yeah they are far from perfect, did you know Canada has no free speech ? You can't even complain about gays, blacks any group of people, called something about hate laws. Not a place I would want to call home, just a nice place to visit. Girls are nice , best thing Windsors got.

[RD]

You can't even complain about gays, blacks any group of people, called something about hate laws. Not a place I would want to call home,

ummm.... why did you only include "gays and blacks" in that comment?

I believe that statement says a lot right there.  One must learn to become culturally competent in a ever increasing culturally diverse world.

I wonder, can you complain about racist white people who make idiotic comments that bring to light specifically only two minorities?  Would that be against the hate laws?  Interesting 

[greenpigs]

You can't even complain about gays, blacks any group of people, called something about hate laws. Not a place I would want to call home,

ummm.... why did you only include "gays and blacks" in that comment?

I believe that statement says a lot right there.  One must learn to become culturally competent in a ever increasing culturally diverse world.

I wonder, can you complain about racist white people who make idiotic comments that bring to light specifically only two minorities?  Would that be against the hate laws?  Interesting 

If I was a mod you wouldn't like me much RD.

[hemihead]

I find it fascinating how so many people that did great things raised a generation of anal retentive cry babies.I hate to tell you whining anti smokers that there is more dangerous things in the air than tobacco smoke.Oh, and why is it that the yuppies don't like smoke in the bars but they do have the bars everyone( including women)go and smoke cigars?What about all the anti smokers who complain about smoke but want Pot legalized ?There is more toxic waste in pot than any cigarette ( just check your government studies and the surgeon general on that).And for you Canadians that cry about your tax money being you to help cancer patients, what about the tax dollars spent for liver diease or drug addiction?
  What it all comes down to is popular option supressing the rights of indivuals.This generation seems to think that " hey i'm right so everyone that doesn't think the same is wrong. So if I don't do something nobody else should be allowed to do it."
Yes , I'm a smoker. I don't smoke around people who don't like it. I don't smoke in resturants or near food.But I am also a non- drinker.Do I think alcohol should be banned?Yes. Is it going to happen?No.It's popular opinion , whoever has the most supporters wins.At least when I smoke , I'm not going to hit someone walking,wreck into a car or house, or go home and want to fight everyone.All I have to say to the anti - smoking Nazi's is grow up and stop whining and MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS or the next rights taken away may be your own.

[Shakey]

I have always found that the worst crybaby's and advocates against smoking are ones who used to smoke them selves and figure that just because they quit...EVERYONE should. I think it may be driven more because the temptation hits them once in awhile to have one... Especially if they smell it around them. So, the pound the drum harder to eliminate it.
Just my two cents...

Hey Dude, I used to smoke and quit (smoked for 10 years, quit 6 yrs ago).  I don't give two shits what you or others do, but smoking indoors in a restaurant/bar etc rains on my parade.  Since the smoking ban, I can now go to a sports bar, have wings and leave smelling like ME, not an ashtray.  For the record I don't have cravings anymore.  The smell of smoke now makes me sick to my stomach (it's funny, my dad was an ex-smoker and he used to comment on how I smelled after smoking saying the smell makes him "physically sick")

Also, here in Canada we have publicly funded health care.  It's insane how much of MY tax $$ goes towards treating people with the self-inflicted incurrable lung cancer.
ALSO, last December my Mother-in-law died from lung cancer due to smoking.  Seeing her die was terrible, she was such a nice person.

I used to smoke and quit (smoked for 10 years, quit 6 yrs ago).

So, when you smoked - it was ok to smoke in a bar after enjoying a few wings and a beer - correct?

I don't give two shits what you or others do, but smoking indoors in a restaurant/bar etc rains on my parade.

It sounds as though you do care what others do because it affects you - correct?  Your parade, what about the person enjoying the cigarette after dinner, that is their parade!

Also, here in Canada we have publicly funded health care.  It's insane how much of MY tax $$ goes towards treating people with the self-inflicted incurrable lung cancer.

So you smoked for 10 years and quit 6 years ago.  A tip of the hat because from what I am told, that is one of the most difficult habits a person can break.  Good for you.  However, do you think that there is absolutely no chance that you may get lung cancer?  How do you know that cancer has not already started to form and is laying wait to appear in say 10, 20 or 30 years from now?  I hope it's not but I'll bet you wouldn't mind YOUR tax dollars being spent on you - correct?  What about your Mother-in-Law - did you tell her how insane it was that YOUR tax dollars were being used to help her?  Did she pay taxes?  Did her Husband?  I did and I do every year.  I don't mind.  Hell, I've heard of people getting lung cancer that never smoked, should they not get treated because they have lung cancer and they could be lying about never smoking?

This all sounds very selfish to me.  Kinda like, "hey I am not one of those folks anymore, so f**k 'em - correct?

If you think the Canadian Government did something great by banning smoking in public places, and folks that's the truth - not just restaurants and bars, but parks and beaches as well, then think again.  If they wanted to truly get rid of smoking then they would make it illegal.  But why would they do that when the taxes on cigarettes generate millions of dollars every year.

So you all know, I don't care that they banned smoking in restaurants as it does create a more pleasant environment but the attitude of the non-smokers, especially the former smokers is what bothers me!

Time to look at yourself and realize that you were once part of the problem!

[Shakey]

Hey you don't see me moving there, and its only 20 miles from my house. Yeah they are far from perfect, did you know Canada has no free speech ? You can't even complain about gays, blacks any group of people, called something about hate laws. Not a place I would want to call home, just a nice place to visit. Girls are nice , best thing Windsors got.

Hey you don't see me moving there, and its only 20 miles from my house.

Good!  Stay where you are.  We have plenty of other, ummm, folks up here that are already upset that they can't complain about the Blacks and the Gays.  We don't need anymore racists.

Yeah they are far from perfect

And here I thought that all 30,000,000 of us were perfect.  (BTW - that number is 30 Million)

did you know Canada has no free speech

You are correct!  As I type this I have a Police Officer as well as a representative of the Canadian Government standing over my shoulder checking to see what I am typing.  It's kinda cool as they help me with the Queen's English!

Not a place I would want to call home

Thank God!

[Arigmaster]

Hey DF... That's a whole other issue... I thought we were discussing smoking in public places...

 

[Spike]

They should ban cigarettes altogether, with the money that no longer would be spent on cancer treatment and other ailments from smoking they could adopt and pay for a national heath care system.

[dodge freak]

I am not the one who started putting down Canada . I believe in free speech, but not in the right to bear arms . So I guess I am half American and half Canadian . Some of my best friends are black, you can't complain about any groups of people in Canada , thats all I was saying. You can't even tell jokes about them.

Ban tobacco-yes the groverments makes too much money off it they never ban it. England is talking about raising the smoking age from 16 to 17 or 18 years old. Canada has said maybe it should be 21 years old or even 19 like the drinking age, it might be 19 but not enforced much.

You can eat pot and still get high, if people want to chew tobacco thats fine with me so long as they don't spit all over the floor.

Funny how some of you who complain about me also believe in the right to have guns. What about free speech, or are you like me but the other way around. No free speech but buy all the guns you like ?