Illegal Immigration? They're building a SUPER HIGHWAY!!!

[BrianShaughnessy]

I didn't join in any discussion on the illegal immigration topic http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,13060.180.html ...  but here's something I just found out about that may interest you.

There's a organization that is planning to build a super highway system from Mexico right up to Canada.   Sounds like they have a lot of support already.    Bring those containers of Chinese crap right up from some halfazz Mexican port right up the middle of the country.
Take a few minutes to read and poke around...   the ramifications are huge if you stop to think about it.   I can't say if it's good or bad in the long run right now....   unless you're a worker at an American port on either coast... in which case it's definately bad.    http://www.nascocorridor.com/index.htm

After reading this I'm definitely sure that any plan to "arm" or enforce our southern borders is purely a public relations show.

[RD]

didnt read the article, but you stated at the end is very typical of our government and others for that matter.  It is called "wag the dog."

[BrianShaughnessy]

didnt read the article,

Why bother replying then?   

Maybe we should just have a "What color should I paint my car" forum.     And the Performance corner can be renamed "Whats the cheapest headers that'll fit?" forum.

[RD]

didnt read the article,

Why bother replying then?   

Maybe we should just have a "What color should I paint my car" forum.     And the Performance corner can be renamed "Whats the cheapest headers that'll fit?" forum.

well... there is no sense on reading the article if you provide a good enough summarization for me to develop an opinion on that is why.... secondly, this is a fast food culture, and if there is not a highlight real on it, I am not going to go and waste a lot of my time reading something just to realize that your summarization did a good job summarizing it.

I will take your advice in consideration the next time.. maybe all the other members believe your advice is wise and that is why they have (1) not read the article, or (2) not posted in this thread.

Sometimes I post just on a whim, and well.. I had seen you had 48 views and no posts so I posted to make it look like your thread was somewhat worthwhile

[ChargerRob]

       

[Charger_Fan]

If I'm reading right, it looks like the "corridor" is already there...they just want 2 billion a year to make it bigger. I say that if they want it so bad, make Mexico pay the 2 billion for the next 18 years to do it. They will of course refuse & the whole idea will be swept under the rug tomorrow. 

Sometimes I post just on a whim, and well.. I had seen you had 48 views and no posts so I posted to make it look like your thread was somewhat worthwhile

[hemi68charger]

I think this all came about some time ago with the NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement).

Love thy neighbor, but I don't let them just walk into my yard, house and/or frig and let them take anything they want.. The same should apply here on a national level........

Troy

[BrianShaughnessy]

didnt read the article,

Why bother replying then?   

Maybe we should just have a "What color should I paint my car" forum.     And the Performance corner can be renamed "Whats the cheapest headers that'll fit?" forum.

well... there is no sense on reading the article if you provide a good enough summarization for me to develop an opinion on that is why.... secondly, this is a fast food culture, and if there is not a highlight real on it, I am not going to go and waste a lot of my time reading something just to realize that your summarization did a good job summarizing it.

I will take your advice in consideration the next time.. maybe all the other members believe your advice is wise and that is why they have (1) not read the article, or (2) not posted in this thread.

Sometimes I post just on a whim, and well.. I had seen you had 48 views and no posts so I posted to make it look like your thread was somewhat worthwhile

   I'm just presenting some info on a topic people may not know about.   I only discovered it the other day.

   I really didn't want to spend a lot of time giving my opionions first  just to have them taken potshots at by folks whose only interest was to take potshots at my opinions.     Read some info,   google the topic, make your own opinion and share it.l   

    Maybe a bunch of dedicated truck lanes with containers full of chinese goods delivered thru a mexican port speeding thru a EZ pass lane to be unloaded at Kansas City is fine by you.     I see opportuinities for a lot of crap to go on...  how long does it take to open up a container and fill it with illegals? or drugs?     

    The rudimentary corridor exists but they want to make it a about 6 lanes each way with several lanes dedicated just to trucks.    There will be a lot of folks land taken by eminent domain in the process...   but maybe that's OK if it helps to lower the price of the junk you buy at Walmart.

     Other points are taking business away from American coasatal ports and American trucking/transportation companies and handing them off to some Mexican companies.    Again,  maybe the price of that walmart junk justifies the means to you.  I can't say.

      Oh screw this....  What color should I paint my car?    It's black and I like it that way.     Whats the cheapest headers that will fit?   I have TTI's - they're not cheap. 

           

[derailed]

In my opiinion this type of container traffic would be much better off if shipped by rail. It would be alot more efficient fuel wise, take alot of truck congestion off the roads and would be a whole hell of alot safer. Rail lines that enter the US now have Xray machines that examine the entire train, except for leading engine and also pick up any level of radiation that may exist. The super highways already exist, they just need to use them more wisely.

[RD]

   I'm just presenting some info on a topic people may not know about.   I only discovered it the other day.

   I really didn't want to spend a lot of time giving my opionions first  just to have them taken potshots at by folks whose only interest was to take potshots at my opinions.     Read some info,   google the topic, make your own opinion and share it.l   

    Maybe a bunch of dedicated truck lanes with containers full of chinese goods delivered thru a mexican port speeding thru a EZ pass lane to be unloaded at Kansas City is fine by you.     I see opportuinities for a lot of crap to go on...  how long does it take to open up a container and fill it with illegals? or drugs?     

    The rudimentary corridor exists but they want to make it a about 6 lanes each way with several lanes dedicated just to trucks.    There will be a lot of folks land taken by eminent domain in the process...   but maybe that's OK if it helps to lower the price of the junk you buy at Walmart.

     Other points are taking business away from American coasatal ports and American trucking/transportation companies and handing them off to some Mexican companies.    Again,  maybe the price of that walmart junk justifies the means to you.  I can't say.

      Oh screw this....  What color should I paint my car?    It's black and I like it that way.     Whats the cheapest headers that will fit?   I have TTI's - they're not cheap. 

           

throwing this to make it sound like it is all perfectly fine to me is juvenile.  It is good that you are passionate about something, but just do not think that everyone should share that passion to the same level.  I simply do not.  And, it is perfectly okay for me to feel that way.  Comments regarding wal-mart and its relationship to me is not going to make me give a shit any less or more.

what I truly find amazing is that this debate is now just affecting you.  I have heard the same arguments when NAFTA was approved in the nineties.  The wheel has been in motion for a long time, and there is really nothing us plebians (short of an all out revolution) will be able to do to stop this infringement on American soil.

Maybe a bunch of dedicated truck lanes with containers full of chinese goods delivered thru a mexican port speeding thru a EZ pass lane to be unloaded at Kansas City is fine by you.     I see opportuinities for a lot of crap to go on...  how long does it take to open up a container and fill it with illegals? or drugs?      

this stuff already happens, the shock and horror of it is no longer.  Americans have been desensitized to it.  NIMBY brother, "as long as it happens where I do not live, it is perfectly fine with me."  That is most likely what 85% of Americans think and I do too in certain situations.

All I know is that posting this type of stuff to illicit a response will do nothing if the sole purpose is just to see responses in this thread.  Surprise the shit out me, take the time that you post this stuff on here and call your congressman with it.  Then, I may take this thread more seriously.

[Steve P.]

I would reallly like to see much less built everywhere else and bought from everywhere else.. It seems like we don't make anything anymore..  You guys in California even have an imported Governor!!

[Mike DC]

I think the American public should just outsource the jobs of President & the entire Congress.

We could probably get some cheap, well-educated, english-speaking people from India to do it all over the phone for a fraction of the cost of the current homegrown crowd in Washington.

 

[dodge freak]

  They might even have a brain left also, not like our brain damage drunk we have now.

[derailed]

They might even have a brain left also, not like our brain damage drunk we have now.

[89MOPAR]

  Ohhhh, a Pity Post..... ouch !   

These guys aren't the only ones, although their websites and links show that a lot of $$ and political pull has been invested in this.

I just read an article where I believe the company " Kansas Southern Railroad " has basically bought, owns,  or leased most of the rairoad tracks from Lazaro Cardenas up thru Texas + northward.  And development of Lazaro Cardenas will be getting much accelerated.   Seems these NASCo folks will be competing with at least one railroad whom already has things in the works.....

[Lowprofile]

In my opinion this type of container traffic would be much better off if shipped by rail. It would be alot more efficient fuel wise, take alot of truck congestion off the roads and would be a whole hell of alot safer. Rail lines that enter the US now have Xray machines that examine the entire train, except for leading engine and also pick up any level of radiation that may exist. The super highways already exist, they just need to use them more wisely.

Being a truckdriver/owner-operator, I have to say I agree w/ your suggestion about the railroad. they are much better suited to handle this kind of freight traffic, especially security-wise. Funneling containers thru 1 or 2 points entering the US instead of letting them "run free" on the nation's highways will cost the taxpayers less $$$ and the Border Patrol/Customs Services less manpower & headaches by concentrating their forces in those places, thus freeing up manpower to patrol the border for all the other problems we have down there. Once the containers are scanned/inspected, the trains can procede to their drop points in the US & Canada, and the containers can be delievered by local drivers.

[Mike DC]

 
The U.S. needs a large-scale shift to more rail traffic so badly . . . it's almost funny.

We have businesses needing to haul goods from New York to Los Angeles, and half the time they find the cheapest way to do it is to send it on semi trucks across public highways one load at a time.
We have an air traffic industry spending half its flights going between cities a few hundred miles apart.  Factor in the security & takeoff time, and flying is not even any faster than a decent train.  And it's dozens of times more fuel-intensive to move anything by air as opposed to land. 

But that's what the rail industry gets for being too efficient.  If they'd find a way to burn a lot more fuel and use a road infrastructure that the public can be directly billed for, then maybe the gov't would support trains more.

 

[Lowprofile]

 

But that's what the rail industry gets for being too efficient.  If they'd find a way to burn a lot more fuel and use a road infrastructure that the public can be directly billed for, then maybe the govt would support trains more.

 

Trucks move America, not the Railroad. The trucking industry pays FAR MORE then their fair share of taxes to take care of the infrastructure that we use. Its what are Representatives in Washington do or not do w/ those taxes that is the problem........but thats another whole subject. 

Trucking & the Railroad have to work together to make the Nation safer, more environmentally friendly, more efficient, and less taxing on our infrastructure.

[dodge freak]

Trucks are a pain in the butt on the freeways, they take off too slow, clog up the roads, 1 truck puts out as much smoke as 200 or more old cars- our cars that are in good shape-and when they hit another car most of the time somebody gets killed. Yes we need them but not to move stuff from New York to Cal. thats what the railroads could do. 1 train can Carry as much stuff as 100 or more trucks.Then there would be less trucks on the roads and more space for us to speed.

[derailed]

Trucks move America, not the Railroad.

I agree that trucks pay there fair share in taxes, ive been there before but I had to read this one twice. How would you justify this rediculous statement that the railroads are not moving america in conjunction with trucks? Have you noticed the increase in the amount of trailers on piggyback trains lately.

[Neal_J]

Remember the good old days?....when political and similarly incindiary discussions were not allowed in Off Topic Discussion.

How about a locked-thread trifecta today, mods?

Peace,

Neal

[mikepmcs]

Trucks move America, not the Railroad. The trucking industry pays FAR MORE then their fair share of taxes to take care of the infrastructure that we use. Its what are Representatives in Washington do or not do w/ those taxes that is the problem........but thats another whole subject. 

Trucking & the Railroad have to work together to make the Nation safer, more environmentally friendly, more efficient, and less taxing on our infrastructure.

Amen, I ain't no trucker but I love em' and always wanted to be one, and i'll go out of my way or move for one all day long   BRING IT ON!
Truckers get the 4 metal salute

[Lowprofile]

Trucks are a pain in the butt on the freeways, they take off too slow, clog up the roads, 1 truck puts out as much smoke as 200 or more old cars- our cars that are in good shape-and when they hit another car most of the time somebody gets killed. Yes we need them but not to move stuff from New York to Cal. thats what the railroads could do. 1 train can Carry as much stuff as 100 or more trucks.Then there would be less trucks on the roads and more space for us to speed.

Your comments are so out of wack........Let me see if I can help you out.

1]  Trucks start off slow because they are HEAVY!  80,000 LBS is not that easy to move.
2]  Most of todays trucks run very clean. The EPA Standards are very tough on Truck Engine manufacturers. Go and check for yourself on Google [Cat, Cummins, or Detroit Diesel]
3] According to AAA, Most all car-Big Truck accidents are caused by the car drivers. People who are to impatient or in a big hurry get themselves hurt or killed because they swerve in and out of trucks, clog travel lanes, cut trucks off to exit from the high speed lane, etc.....
4] Well, yes trains could carry "stuff" from NY to CA, but it won't be there for weeks.  Trucks move everything we use everyday. A truck that is operated by a team operation can safely carry food , medicine, clothing, building supplies, etc  from Ca to NY in about 3 days.

You know, its people like you who make un-educated comments about things you know nothing about............Well, "its better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

Trucks move America, not the Railroad.

I agree that trucks pay there fair share in taxes, Ive been there before but I had to read this one twice. How would you justify this ridiculous statement that the railroads are not moving America in conjunction with trucks? Have you noticed the increase in the amount of trailers on piggyback trains lately.

Ridiculous statement???

Yes, the Railroads help. As a matter of fact, their total tonnage has gone up in the last few years, but........
Trucks deliever to America. If you had to rely on the railroads for delievery, you would be waiting weeks, sometimes months for things you use everyday. The reason your local hardware store or the Wal-Mart supercenter has Full shelves everyday is because Trucks and Truck Drivers make it happen. When natural disasters hit, truckers are the first ones in with supplies, food, clothing, ice, etc....  Trucks are what keep this economy moving.

btw, those containers would be sitting in the railyards without trucks to deliver them.

[253862656971]

Quote from: dodge freak on Today at 05:00:41 PM
Trucks are a pain in the butt on the freeways, they take off too slow, clog up the roads, 1 truck puts out as much smoke as 200 or more old cars- our cars that are in good shape-and when they hit another car most of the time somebody gets killed. Yes we need them but not to move stuff from New York to Cal. thats what the railroads could do. 1 train can Carry as much stuff as 100 or more trucks.Then there would be less trucks on the roads and more space for us to speed.


Your comments are so out of wack........Let me see if I can help you out.

1]  Trucks start off slow because they are HEAVY!  80,000 LBS is not that easy to move.
2]  Most of todays trucks run very clean. The EPA Standards are very tough on Truck Engine manufacturers. Go and check for yourself on Google [Cat, Cummins, or Detroit Diesel]
3] According to AAA, Most all car-Big Truck accidents are caused by the car drivers. People who are to impatient or in a big hurry get themselves hurt or killed because they swerve in and out of trucks, clog travel lanes, cut trucks off to exit from the high speed lane, etc.....
4] Well, yes trains could carry "stuff" from NY to CA, but it won't be there for weeks.  Trucks move everything we use everyday. A truck that is operated by a team operation can safely carry food , medicine, clothing, building supplies, etc  from Ca to NY in about 3 days.

You know, its people like you who make un-educated comments about things you know nothing about............Well, "its better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

I had this whole big post typed up but then I realized I can't argue with and idiot and it wouldn't do any good anyway.  Let's just say I agree with you 100% Lowprofile.

[dodge freak]

I don't care why the trucks are slow just that they are and clog the roads up. Who cares who fault the accidents is ? When they hit something people get killed. My car hit something people might get hurt. Maybe the brand new trucks are clean but what about all the olds ones still on the road ? If the government help build better rail lines the train could go faster and it would not take weeks to move stuff.

Sure we need them trucks , but not as many and I still don't like being behind them, never will.

Trucks are like cops-we needed them but I don't love them.

[Lowprofile]

I Guess its true when they say "Ignorance is Bliss"   

[derailed]

Lowprofile, Im really not trying to argue with you. I agree with you trucks deliver the goods to there final destination but I also think that you highly underestimate the amount of tonnage in freight that trains haul every year. For example an average loaded coal train on the D&H route between Bingampton NY and Mechanicville NY which is 157 mile run can carry approximatly 12 to 14000 tons of coal in about a 5 hour run with a 2 man crew. This country relies on both trucks and the railroad and would not move if one of them were to come to a stop. Theres not enough trucks on the road and nowhere near enough drivers to haul what trains do every day.

[Mike DC]

I've got nothing against the trucking industry.  I just think the trucking industry is being given a disproportionate amount of the workload that should be partly done by rail.  And the airline industry is getting the same thing.

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I live in St. Louis MO.  I travel on interstates 70, 40(64), and 44 all the time.  Every one of them is jammed full of semis going across the country while there are 100-year-old train tracks rusting away all over town.  The state currently wants to upgrade the bridges on hwy 40/64 for the trucking industry, even though it will do nothing to help the congestion for locals and we all want/need local intersections redone a lot worse.

My brother goes between Chicago & STL all the time.  Between the parking/baggage/security at airports, it takes him 6 total hours to FLY between two cities that are only 5-6 hours' DRIVE apart.    And yet he often can't get a decent train trip instead.  A train would be half the money & twice the comfort of flying for the same time invested, but Amtrak sucks.  And Amtrak has been treated so badly that they've publicly  declared that the Federal Gov't is trying to run them out of business, while at the same time the Fed stands on its head to bail out airlines that can't make a profit. 

[Lowprofile]

Derailed, no arguing from me brother, we are just a couple of guys who have a different point of view. 

I agree with you on many points. The problem , as I see it, is that we live in a "I want it right now" society. Thats why there is so much truck traffic these days. There is certain types of freight that are more suited to rail transport, such as coal, chemicals, some lumber/building products, some types of food products......... But the vast majority of Food, medicine, clothing, auto parts, etc.... will always be delievered by truck. Trains will never be able to compete on that level. Many companies operate on a "just in time" schedule, meaning that trucks are loaded at one manufacturing plant, driven x amount of miles by team drivers, and those products are delievered to another plant to continue the manufacturing process, Thus eliminating the overhead of warehousing those products by using the trucks as their rolling warehouse.

The trucking industry & the Railroad work together everyday. I am sure that in the future, there will be more efficient ways to use both modes of transportation.

[Lowprofile]

I've got nothing against the trucking industry.  I just think the trucking industry is being given a disproportionate amount of the workload that should be partly done by rail.  And the airline industry is getting the same thing.

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I live in St. Louis MO.  I travel on interstates 70, 40(64), and 44 all the time.  Every one of them is jammed full of semis going across the country while there are 100-year-old train tracks rusting away all over town.  The state currently wants to upgrade the bridges on hwy 40/64 for the trucking industry, even though it will do nothing to help the congestion for locals and we all want/need local intersections redone a lot worse.

My brother goes between Chicago & STL all the time.  Between the parking/baggage/security at airports, it takes him 6 total hours to FLY between two cities that are only 5-6 hours' DRIVE apart.    And yet he often can't get a decent train trip instead.  A train would be half the money & twice the comfort of flying for the same time invested, but Amtrak sucks.  And Amtrak has been treated so badly that they've publicly  declared that the Federal Gov't is trying to run them out of business, while at the same time the Fed stands on its head to bail out airlines that can't make a profit. 

I agree with you about passenger rail service in this country. It is dismal at best. Europeans seem to love the rail. As a matter of fact, most of the world utilizes passenger rail for most all their transportation needs. We here in the US live in a "Car Society". Everyone wants to drive. Public transportation is so under utilized......and Amtrak is the red headed step-child of the Govt.

As far as truck traffic goes, there are over 50 cars on the road for every class 8 truck in America. Trucks are not the problem......Trucks pay a huge amount of taxes to take care of road improvements. 


BTW, Brian, sorry for the thread hijack.