what's a 69 date coded 440 six pack motor worth??

[itchyballs]

i have a chance to buy a 69 date coded 440 six pack motor from a  neighbor. whats a fair price for it? he said it did run when he got it. are these valuable? thanks guys for any help. also it is just the motor. actually the only thing missing is the intake. it has a regular four barrell on it now but is complete and together...

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

hell yeah its valuable, the only cars that the 6-pack came with are the 69 1/2 runners and superbess which mean it came from one of those 2 very rare M code superbees or roadrunners-MATT, SO GO GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[472 R/T SE]

Does it have a VIN stamped in it?

The A12 boyz on Moparts may know of the car it came out of?

[blackcharger]

this wouldn't be off the '69 1/2 Bee that was just stolen in Ohio would it?

[itchyballs]

i will get the numbers off of it tomorrow and NO it is not a stolen motor. it has been sitting in a garage for over 15 years...

[Brock Samson]

sounds like mine, 6 pack motors were externally balanced BTW:... 

[itchyballs]

what  are the differences between the 440 six pack motor and say the HP 440?

[TheGhost]

what  are the differences between the 440 six pack motor and say the HP 440?

One had 3 2bbls, the other had 1 4bbl.

[Charger Aficionado]

Rods... 

[69CoronetRT]

i have a chance to buy a 69 date coded 440 six pack motor from a  neighbor. whats a fair price for it? he said it did run when he got it. are these valuable?

Here's a list of items that were 'different' for the 69 6bbl engines. How have you determined it's a 6 pack motor?

[69fuchs]

sounds like mine, 6 pack motors were externally balanced BTW:... 

If the engine is a true 1969 model six pack engine, it will have standard crank and rods=internal balance.  1970 and newer magnum and six pack are external balance engines with big rods.  The primary difference in the engines are the cam (same specs as a 4 bbl, but with special lifters to help with lifter rotation), valve springs (stiffer),  and rocker arms (heavy duty non adjustable). 

The 69 six pack engine had standard 4bbl pistons as well.  The 70 six pack engine had the 10.5 to 1 pistons.

Last summer, I went with a buddy to pick up a real 69 sixpack engine. It was complete less air cleaner, he paid 4k for it!!!  Over priced in my book, but he has six 69-1/2 cars, and half of them need engines.  It is a fresh engine (never fired) and has the real 69-1/2 intake and dated carbs.

[6pkrunner]

As Fuchs said, same spec'd cam as the 440 Magnum (268/284) but the lobes have a taper to them forcing the lifters to rotate in the bores and add life to the camshaft. The early 1969.5 6 pack engines ran hemi valve springs and the standard Magnum cam would wear the nitriting off the cam in 10,000 miles. So the engineers put a taper onto the cam and the rotating lifters eased the wear somewhat. Also the 6pk/bbl engines had the street hemi oil pump relief spring in the oil pump.
And given the reputation that your name  precedes you with, I would think you know exactly what this engine worth. Escpecially to the owner of the original body, if it still exists.
Original concept of the 1969.5 6bbl/pk package wanted to use a 276/292 cam along with special heads to mimic the offerings of GM when they made special models (heads, cam, hood, ignition, etc) to make the model really stand out. Chrysler dropped the 276/292 cam as they found out it took away more bottom end grunt than it added to the top end and the engine was designed to be a strong street engine rather than a top end breather. Special heads were nixed as to cost to tool up a special run for limited production. Chrysler had no idea the 6bbl/pk engine would be so successful and Edelbrock could not keep up with production of intakes to meet demand so in 1970 Chrysler tooled their own in house cast iron version of the intake.  Looming emission rules destroyed futher development of the engine.
Also for 1970 Chrysler found out that the owners of the 440+6 engines were winding them up much further than they had anticipated. The Street Hemi valvesprings allowed higher revs, but the bottom line was tossed rods through the block. To counteract this Chrysler redesigned the rods for the 1970 run and to keep costs down the heavy rod was used throughout the engine run. And yes the heavy rods needed external balancing on the dampener and flywheel/convertor.

[itchyballs]

thanks guys! i wasn't expecting this kind of  information!! here are some numbers i got off of it.  3698830 440-6.

[JimShine]

Isn't 3698830 the casting number for 1973-1978 engines?

[Arthu®]

yep correct the casting # in 69 would have been 2536430

Arthur

[John_Kunkel]

Anybody else notice that the special parts list posted by 69CoronetRT shows the connecting rod quantity as "1"?

Musta been one intricate forging.   

[itchyballs]

if it isnt a 6-pack motor what does the 440-6 stand for??

[Brock Samson]

mine said "HP 2" i was later told they all (440s) say that... but i know mine came out of a '69 1/2 Super Bee.

[JimShine]

if it isnt a 6-pack motor what does the 440-6 stand for??

6th casting revision? On my late 1968 440 (1969 model year), the number is 2536430-6. The 440 is not on the side but on the top pad (the later blocks are cast like yours, 3698830 440). On my engine the 6 means 6th casting revision. Maybe someone else can chime in that knows that era.

[69CoronetRT]

if it isnt a 6-pack motor what does the 440-6 stand for??

As Jim said, it is the casting core revision number. The numbers before that tell you difinitively it is NOT a 440-6bbl block as it is a later casting. There is also a day date and year cast into the driver's side of the block. Look for it. You will also find the model year stamp on the pad on the front of the block. It would have to have an "E" indicating a 69 model year car for it to be a 69 block.

Plus, check the VIN number pad on the passengers side of the block. That will also tell you what model year of car it came from.

[mustanghater]

Wasn't there a 6-pack daytona? never mind I'm wrong.

[Charger Aficionado]

Wasn't there a 6-pack daytona? never mind I'm wrong.

SHOUDL'VE been...     I wonder if there was some reason it COULDN'T be done (same as the A/C and the overheating)... 
But with the 426 who cared?...

[1972Rallye]

mine said "HP 2" i was later told they all (440s) say that... but i know mine came out of a '69 1/2 Super Bee.

Brock - Would you happen to have the VIN from your motor?  My brother-in-laws '69 1/2 Bee needs its original motor.  I know it's a long-shot, but why not.

[Brock Samson]

I'm pulling the car out tomarrow supposedly,..  I'll try n getta look see,..
that's the kinda stuff I should'a wrote down.. 
i kinda got ripped when i bought mine cause i knew i wanted a real six-pack and not some incomplete whatever...
but there were other guys just behind me at the guys house...
I ain't gonna tell ya' what i paid for it in public..
but, i had been looking for a genuine SIX PACK for years.
   funny this block you found says "4406" on it..

[472 R/T SE]

mine said "HP 2" i was later told they all (440s) say that... but i know mine came out of a '69 1/2 Super Bee.

Brock - Would you happen to have the VIN from your motor?  My brother-in-laws '69 1/2 Bee needs its original motor.  I know it's a long-shot, but why not.

The 2 in HP2, second shift. 

Strat, if you know for sure you have a 69.5 block...I'd be checking.  You may find the original owner, who knows, he may have a 600HP wedge he'd be willing to trade.   

[Big Lebowski]

  I think someone already said this, but all '70-'72 440 HP's were six-pack engines, even my engine cast in 11/69, that cast date would make it for a '70 car.
      Also, with the externally balanced 440 HP 1 or 2 engines, if you trash the stock/weighted converter, you can now internally balance the engine with the 6-pack balancer. This is for cammed up engines using 2500-3500 stall 0 balance converters.
       There's 3 kinds of BB balancers...the steel ringed thin type for steel crank 383-440's, the (all '70-'72 HP) 6 pack balancer, and the fat cast crank type with a ring that looks like a 6-pack type, but don't be fooled, look at all 3.   

[Shatar4]

yep correct the casting # in 69 would have been 2536430

Arthur

OK then, I have one for you. I have a 440HP with six pack internels with a casting number of 2536430 which would have made it a 69 casting (date on the side is 7-28-69), but on the top pad it has G 440,
12-16 HP which makes it for a 71 car. How is this possable?

[JimShine]

You mean the build versus casting date?

[Shatar4]

I realize they would not build the motor right away but to cast it on 7-28-69 and finally put it in a car about a year later is a little bit longer then usual.

[JimShine]

I have no idea. I did look into this because I thought my engine was a September '68 cast engine with a F440 12 15 code. I could not find much on it. I now think the deal is that it is obvious the stamper was crooked when it hit my block. It fades as you move into the lower lefthand corner. The bottom of the letter fades as does some of the 440. I think it is an E with a missing bottom.

[69CoronetRT]

I realize they would not build the motor right away but to cast it on 7-28-69 and finally put it in a car about a year later is a little bit longer then usual.

Probably not as unusual as your would think. It's not uncommon to find large differences in cast VS assembled when it comes to Hemi blocks.

Shatar and Jim, have you checked the stamped assembly dates on the drivers side? That will also give you the assembly dates in the 10K calendar. Just a suggestion....

[JimShine]

Yeah, it is very, very hard to read.  I will clean the paint down and see if that clears it up.

[Arthu®]

yep correct the casting # in 69 would have been 2536430

Arthur

OK then, I have one for you. I have a 440HP with six pack internels with a casting number of 2536430 which would have made it a 69 casting (date on the side is 7-28-69), but on the top pad it has G 440,
12-16 HP which makes it for a 71 car. How is this possable?

I said if it was a 69 engine it would have that casting #. That casting number was used from 1966 up to 1972. Why a block would be casted that long before being build I don't know.

Arthur

[Big Lebowski]

They usually casted them at least 6 months before they installed them

[Shatar4]

Shatar and Jim, have you checked the stamped assembly dates on the drivers side? That will also give you the assembly dates in the 10K calendar. Just a suggestion....

On my 440 the casting date (7-28-69) and the vin are on the RH side (passenger side) along with 2536430-10 with the day/night mold. The only thing on the LH(Drivers) is 2536430-10. Am I missing it?

[Shatar4]

They usually casted them at least 6 months before they installed them

Thats what I've always heard to but if the casting date is 7-28-69 and the install date is 12-16-71, thats 17 months difference!