EPA set to repeal many laws and policies....

[Kern Dog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSEGdsr_xpk&ab_channel=TK%27sGarage

[John_Kunkel]

 A nose ring?

[Kern Dog]

Yeah, I'm not impressed by weird jewelry either.

[Kern Dog]

This topic is gaining momentum.
There is also some news in California. There are reports of C.A.R.B. officials having interviews with other state agencies in anticipation of losing their jobs if/when CARB gets closed down. There is a bill being proposed, I believe it is SB 712. It has the support of Jay Leno and it concerns us too. It proposes to revise the current emission testing laws for gasoline and diesel vehicles. Currently, all 1976 model year and newer vehicles are required to pass a standard emissions test. The bill proposes to move that 1976 date to a rolling 30 year mark, meaning currently, a 1995 and newer model year car/truck would be tested but 1994 and older models would be exempt.
If the federal law passes, the California bill would be moot since the Federal government has supremacy. The TFA would rule that NO state has the right to set it's own standard so California would not be able to demand it's own blend of gasoline or diesel. With CARB gone, no emission testing and 50 state gasoline/diesel, it may be cheaper and easier to own a classic car here sometime soon.

[b5blue]

FL. hasn't had that stuff in decades.

[Kern Dog]

That may be because despite the population, you have legislation that makes sense.

[John_Kunkel]

 All of this depends a lot on the regime in power, four years from now we might see a complete reversal of the proposed policies we favor.

[b5blue]

Oh they are a fine bunch of book banning Bible thumping remove your rights in the name of freedom spuds.    All they really care about is the all mighty buck.

[Kern Dog]

These laws are written and intended to be difficult if not impossible to reverse. It calls for measures that will effectively eliminate CARB entirely.
I don't delve into the minutia of the political process well enough to understand it all. I've heard that with certain measures that can only happen with strong bi-partisan support, some laws can be passed that take extraordinary efforts and support to overcome at a later date. These measures have the support.
This is NOT a money maker for the politicians, it actually takes revenue away from California by way of eliminating their right to mandate vehicle emission testing of which the state gets a healthy cut.
Products will be cheaper as a result. There is a strong likelihood that California will not be allowed to mandate their own blend of gasoline. This means a 50 state gasoline recipe and no radical spikes in prices due to shortages. (Real or manufactured)

[Kern Dog]

I found it.
The Congressional Review Act is the legislation action that gets around any Executive order,

See the video, at 4:30 the man explains it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVTe7wUnY4s&ab_channel=TK%27sGarage

[b5blue]

I'll pass on the link. (I understand checks and balances.) You need to lighten up some. How's your blood pressure? Manifesto stuff isn't for here.   

[John_Kunkel]

I found it.
The Congressional Review Act is the legislation action that gets around any Executive order,

See the video, at 4:30 the man explains it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVTe7wUnY4s&ab_channel=TK%27sGarage

Cannot be reinstituted? I wouldn't give credence to any Youtube talking head when it comes to the law and the legislative process.

The next regime doesn't need to "reinstitute" anything, they can merely introduce and pass new legislation that is even more restrictive than current.

[Kern Dog]

I'll pass on the link. (I understand checks and balances.) You need to lighten up some. How's your blood pressure? Manifesto stuff isn't for here.   

Of course you won't watch it. Some people are so stuck believing a scam, it would really upset them to have it proven wrong.
It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

[Kern Dog]

"Cannot be reinstituted? I wouldn't give credence to any Youtube talking head when it comes to the law and the legislative process.

The next regime doesn't need to "reinstitute" anything, they can merely introduce and pass new legislation that is even more restrictive than current."

I do worry about that. I wish that I knew the finer points of it.
The various videos that I have seen seem to paint a picture of the Congressional Review Act as some means to prevent any future return of the existing regulations. Again, I don't know enough about the legislative process to argue either side of that.
I never thought that the day would come that emission standards would be reversed but the last 4-8 years have been a time of wild swings in regulations, opinions, biases and everything. I see it as a continued pattern of uncertainty.
It does improve my outlook though to see what I feel is a hard reversal against the excessive push to abandon Gas and diesel cars and trucks.

[b5blue]

 

[Kern Dog]

I really doubt that new cars standards would be rolled back so far that they actually could be built without catalytic converters, EGR valves or other stuff like that but some people are seeing it as possible.
Personally, I wouldn't strip the exhaust out of my late model cars to run headers and no converters even though IF the commentators are right. It would be nice to not have the $75 smog checks every 2 years for 4 cars.
I am interested in the possible freedom from having to make any limited use classic meet emission targets that choke almost all of the life from the low compression engines that they all had.
A late 70s Dodge truck with a V8 had pathetic torque and HP numbers due to these regulations. The cars weren't much better when you consider that a 1978 Dodge Little Red Express was noted as being faster than even a new Corvette.

[Mike DC]

 
We aren't losing exhaust cats like we aren't going back to 8-track tapes. The cats alone don't even cost a lot of horsepower. 

We have bigger problems than any of this stuff.  Right now we should be more worried about very intentional planned-obsolescence tactics, in both the hardware and software.  And the fact that our cars are 4000-lb data farms to track our movements for private corps and govt agencies. 



With classics, I think groups like us (SEMA, etc) should be pushing to end to any emission rules after a certain age.  Like, once a car is 25 years old it should go into the same legal category as a custom-built hot rod.  Just make it pass the basic safety inspection.  Let Californians put carbureted V8s into 1998 minivans if they want. 

Forcing a 30yo car to meet emissions rules is just raising repair costs for poor people and frustrating car enthusiasts.  There aren't enough 30yo cars on the road to make any big environmental impact.     
   
   

[Kern Dog]

Great point, Mike.
The newer catalytic converters on gas engines do cost power but it is mostly noticeable at higher rpms.
It absolutely has been a money grab here in California. The percentage of 1976-1990 year model cars is pretty low.

[b5blue]

WOOO scary they are out to get ya! 

[Kern Dog]

You don't have the oppressive anti-car legislation that we have here so you're ignorant to the problem.
This is like Marie Antoinette suggesting that "let them eat cake" when people are going hungry.

[b5blue]

I chose to live where I like it and you don't.  I traveled in my youth and lived in several states so I know the pros and cons of many areas. IDK why your staying in CAL. anymore.

[Kern Dog]

I chose to live where I like it and you don't.  I traveled in my youth and lived in several states so I know the pros and cons of many areas. IDK why your staying in CAL. anymore.

You chose to live where you like it and I don't?
I like Florida. Who claimed that I didn't? I stay in California because aside from the politics, I love it here.

[John_Kunkel]

The various videos that I have seen seem to paint a picture of the Congressional Review Act as some means to prevent any future return of the existing regulations. Again, I don't know enough about the legislative process to argue either side of that.

When laymen try to act like experts in videos, one would be wise to take their ranting with a grain of salt. In the quote below, I have bolded the text that shows that nothing is set in concrete on the subject of the Congressional Review Act as the aforementioned talking head implies:

"The law empowers Congress to review, by means of an expedited legislative process, new federal regulations issued by government agencies and, by passage of a joint resolution, to overrule a regulation. Once a rule is thus repealed, the CRA also prohibits the reissuing of the rule in substantially the same form or the issuing of a new rule that is substantially the same "unless the reissued or new rule is specifically authorized by a law enacted after the date of the joint resolution disapproving the original rule" (5 U.S. Code § 801(b). Congress has a window of time lasting 60 legislative days to disapprove of any given rule by simple-majority vote; otherwise, the rule will go into effect at the end of that period."

[Kern Dog]

Oh, I'm not running off to celebrate just yet. I understand that nothing is permanent or certain.

[AKcharger]

I'm putting a ceiling in my garage,. before it just had open rafters

[Kern Dog]

I'm putting a ceiling in my garage,. before it just had open rafters

Uhh, okay. Good luck with that.

[b5blue]

Ceilings are a bitch to hang! Are ya using sheetrock?

[AKcharger]

lol, I was just being random. But yes, sheet rock. It's all up now texture paint and drill out the holes