GP Musclecars '70 V code Charger is worth $110k, but mine $30k

[Big Lebowski]

  Anybody ever deal with GP Musclecars or  http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/dpmusclecars/dpmusclecars.html

This guy really bums me out...This is his '70 V code Charger, he wants $110,000 ok, whatever.

      http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/dpmusclecars/70chargerrt44066packpurple.html

So just for kicks, we talked about the Mecum auction and the $125,000 '70 V code Charger that sold there, and the orange '70 V code Charger on ebay right now at $65,000, needing a resto, and others up to $80,000
    So anyway I sent him pictures of my restored '70 Six-pack Charger, before and after pics, the $25,000 worth of new everything, all new wiring harnesses, brakes, etc., I also told him about all the bad things against my car, the salvage title, the non maching engine, although it is an F440 HP2 cast in 11/69, and it's supposed to be triple green but I put on a black top and interior, and the 1995 paint job's not perfect anymore. My Charger has a fender tag and all the body vin #'s match, but no broadcast sheet.
     The owner Gary wrote back and just busted my balls...His Charger is worth $110,000 because it's a matching #'s, 4-speed, most desired color,options,etc., bla bla bla. And my car well maybe $30,000 The Ca. salvage title, the non matching #'s, the auto trans, (4 speed's are worth more.), and no broadcast sheet, and of course F8 Green, the practically worthless color, and of course he busted my balls for putting a black top on it and a black interior in it, it's supposed to be triple green.
     So although I'm not even selling my car, he said it's worth $30k tops. That really bummed me out since I spent $25,000 in 1995!!! I wrote back with "$30k? huh, Double it, make it $60k and I still wouldn't sell it".   

     BTW, You should see his 5 E-bay feedbacks, at least I've sold Chargers and Mopar parts on E-bay. As a seller, I have 27 + positive feedbacks mostly from Mopar buyers. He's one of the bidders on the orange '70 V code Charger on ebay that didn't sell at $65,000...and guess what?

        He has 5 feedbacks and 2 are negative, here's the 2 neg. feedbacks... "A real used car salesman here folks - I wouldn't buy a pack of Gum from him"...and his other..."called on title - not in name of seller - my state requires vehicle inspection".

   Reading that made me feel better, especially after he beat my car down like it's back to being the rusty pile it was 16 years ago.

       

[Blown70]

Well that is how they make there $$ he would buy yours for 30 and sell it for 70+ for sure.  I am sure once he owned the car all that stuff would not be such a big deal....

I personally think some guys like that have made some cars out of line as far as being reasonable.

Tom

[Mike DC]

   
Seems like ANY 2nd-gen car that's a big block and nicely done/driveable is hitting the $20's these days.  A decent R/T brings a lot more.


The dude can insist that your car is only worth $30K all he wants. 
But if you won't sell it for $30K, and he can't find anybody willing to sell him another Charger like it for $30K . . . then his $30K figure is a bunch of hot air, isn't it?

 

[emanscharger]

that dude is just trying to make you feel bad..first off guy..f8 green cars are mad cool! not only because i happen to have a 70 f8 green charger..i just like them. I spend a lot of time researching second gen chargers..70 mostly. i'll give it to you straight. having #s match and a four speed with maybee a more popular color..all true what he said..that brings a premium. but to shred your car is wrong! if your car was in the same condition as his car is and his car is priced at 110,000..your car would be worth 80,000    not 30k! thats an insult..your one of the few guys out there that own a v code charger..and thats awesome! I don't care what color it is..automatic or 4 speed..love your car dude! I do!

[Big Lebowski]

  Ya I know, There's one thing that's strange about this hobby or part time buisiness in my case...People think their car is priceless, and everybody else's car is low $$$ junk. I know an E-body guy who will beat any car down as worthless, unless he himself owns it. Then, well...If it's his car, then it's gold plated, priceless, Barrett/Jackson material.
    I know my car has some strikes against, but WTF, I bought it (not wrecked BTW) from a Mopar only salvage yard in 1990. Honestly the value of the V code wasn't why I bought it, I really bought as a driver project because it had disc brakes and a 4.10 Dana, that's all I really cared about. Back then in '91, 1 of 337 V code car? Big deal, who cares.
     The salvage title, the non matching #'s, and the everybody hates F8 green paint only became an issue 16 years later when Charger prices went through the roof.

[TheGhost]

know an E-body guy who will beat any car down as worthless, unless he himself owns it. Then, well...If it's his car, then it's gold plated, priceless, Barrett/Jackson material.

I think I know that guy, too.

[694spdRT]

The type of title these old cars have don't often amount to much compared to new vehicles IMO. Your salvage titled car is no different and was probably in much better shape to start with than some of the clear title cars being restored out there now. 

When it is all said and done you still have an original '70 Six Pack Charger and that is nice property to have. Regardless of how much some peddler says it is or isn't worth..... 

[Silver R/T]

dont feel so bad about it man. There's ALWAYS will be haters even if you got perfect car. Some people just do it cause theyre too jealous

[tan top]

dont feel so bad about it man. There's ALWAYS will be haters even if you got perfect car. Some people just do it cause theyre too jealous

there is always  someone ready to criticise your ride no matter where you go

[4402tuff4u]

Big L, dont sweat it, that's only one man's opinion. Ask for the price that the car is worth to you. If someone wants it, they'll buy it...period. You will always run into individuals like that. Cars are not worth anything until they own it and then miraculously the price jumps.

[Old Moparz]

Putting aside that the guy might not be able to show any respect, what he did or said, is no different than any other person who is in the auto business. I've been insulted with low ball offers, but just see it as typical & it doesn't bother me. The bottom line is to buy for less, & resell for a profit if this is your business. Call it flipping if you want, but that's the way it is. If there were no potential for a profit, the car would just be a car, & less people would be motivated to do anything with them. More would be scrapped & less would be restored.

One thing I can't stand though, is an outright liar who gives a sob story when you know damn well they're full of s**t. I was at a swap meet selling parts years ago with a friend when someone was trying to convince my buddy the item he had was just what he needed to finish his car. He offered a lot less than it was worth & what he was asking. He took it anyway just to get rid of it & also thinking he may have been helping the guy out. When the guy dragged it over to his vending space, literally changed the price on the tag in front of us, I couldn't believe it.

This obnoxious guy still sells parts to this day, & lots of the stuff is on ebay & waaaaay overpriced. He sometimes contacts me about a trade on something, but I know damn well he's only looking to take advantage of something if he can. The last time I had considered a part he had, was a "Rust Free & Mint Charger Fender" for $400. I asked him if it was rust free & mint, why was daylight coming through the lower part of the fender? I've come close to telling him to stick it where the sun don't shine, but it just isn't worth it.

[Big Lebowski]

Thanks guys, I know this much, I wouldn't take 30k or ask $110k or $125k for my car because it needs to be repainted (1995 paint job has a few minor cracks, oh well) and the car needs its original motor back, and the original qtr. panels are long gone. That's just the way it is, but GP musclecars doesn't pay top dollar for musclecars like they advertise, but they ask top dollar. That's for sure.

[SirNik73]

My 73 is woth maybe $1500, but it was owned by my best friend before he died, and i'm restoring it in his memory, you know what that makes my car... Priceless!

[Chris G.]

BD, if you ever let a dealer tell you what he thinks your car is worth, never let it bother you. It's obvious it did because of this thread. They will say anything to make their product look like the holy grail. They do this stuff all day long, so sensitivity and respect left the building a long time ago.

I will say this though, he is dead on about what the general high dollar consumer wants. Color, 4spd, #'s, clean title, etc. is exactly what deep pocket people are looking for.

I was shocked to see that EV2 car go up so high, and I wonder how legit it really was, but that kind of car is what people want. Hemi Orange, 4spd, console...you get my drift. Auto cars and as much as I like them, green cars are always a tougher sell. Your car rocks dude, no need to worry about value. 

[Big Lebowski]

BD, if you ever let a dealer tell you what he thinks your car is worth, never let it bother you. It's obvious it did because of this thread. They will say anything to make their product look like the holy grail. They do this stuff all day long, so sensitivity and respect left the building a long time ago.

I will say this though, he is dead on about what the general high dollar consumer wants. Color, 4spd, #'s, clean title, etc. is exactly what deep pocket people are looking for.

I was shocked to see that EV2 car go up so high, and I wonder how legit it really was, but that kind of car is what people want. Hemi Orange, 4spd, console...you get my drift. Auto cars and as much as I like them, green cars are always a tougher sell. Your car rocks dude, no need to worry about value. 

  Thanks dude, I remember when I bought it in '90, the disc brakes and the 4.10 Dana was all I cared about. It never crossed my mind that the title, F8 color, and the wrong #'s, would become a problem 16 years later.

    I have to admit, I drive it less and less now because of the satisfaction I got from officially smoking a red '06 Charger R/T at a green light. Poor fellow didn't know I had the street slicks on for our Friday night 1/8 mi. stadium drags.  

[hemi-hampton]

His Purple Charger not that nice, Pretty rough under the hood like Earl Scheib did it. I seen way to many flaws to be asking $110k. I seen a mint 100 point show car Panther Pink Charger v-code for $100k a couple years back. A steal compared to this Purple v-code.

[Big Lebowski]

 I know a couple Chargers locally that were handed down from dad, even a '73 318 Charger can be priceless and not for sale at any price just because it was dad's daily driver.

[RT DAVE]

I had the same deal with somebody I know locally.   He told me he wouldn't sell his non matching four sp 68 for less than $75K and then ten minutes later he offers me $5k for my non numbers 727 RT.   It was kinda funny...   

[Big Lebowski]

I had the same deal with somebody I know locally.   He told me he wouldn't sell his non matching four sp 68 for less than $75K and then ten minutes later he offers me $5k for my non numbers 727 RT.   It was kinda funny...   

  The funny thing about 4 speeds is, while my built 727 barks hard into 2nd gear, the 4 speed guy is still pulling that long Pistol grip lever all the way down into 2nd. gear. There by losing the drag race. What helps is, a built 440-6, a 4.10 Dana, and street slicks help to motivate the 3900lbs of steel...(the iron 440 six-pack intake manifold weighs a fricken ton.)