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Looking For Available Info On Rare Optioned Charger

Started by Vipermuscle, May 16, 2021, 10:11:00 PM

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Vipermuscle

I recently came into possession of what I can only speculate at this time is a fairly rare optioned 1969 Dodge Charger R/T and was hoping that perhaps some on here could be of assistance or at least point me in the right direction so I do not misrepresent the car I have added to my stable.

I realize that Chrysler did not keep track of how many cars were built with various different options. So it may be impossible to actually know how many cars were made in what color with what interior and transmission options. For whatever it is still worth I was told that this specific car was the only one of its kind in Galens registry.

1969 Dodge Charger R/T
W1 White
C6R Red Interior
4 Speed /A33 Track Pack

Again, to my full knowledge this is the only one known to exist. Any help would be much appreciated.

Much thanks!

RallyeMike

As you already know, nobody knows the breakdown to that extent. White/red is a lesser produced color combo (if you extrapolate known cars in registries), but is not unheard of. Red interior is one of the standard interior colors to be paired with a white exterior.

I think 4 speed production of 69 Charger R/T is about 20% vs. automatic (?). An R/T Charger with a 4 speed would automatically come with the Trac Pack or Super Track Pack axle.

"The only one known in the registry" means very little as there is detailed information on only a small percentage of overall production. How many 69 R/T Charger, red/white, 4 speeds were made or remaining is anybody's guess. Regardless, I think you can safely say that it is a very low production example as optioned, and also that it's Neato  :2thumbs:  :icon_smile_cool:

1969 Charger 500 #232008
1972 Charger, Grand Sport #41
1973 Charger "T/A"

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6bblgt

for the 1969 Charger R/T XS29 (20,057 built):
19 STANDARD exterior colors - 19
8 STANDARD interiors plus 4 leather interiors with the SE package (3 are "black") - 6
2 engine choices
2 transmission choices
4 axles available with automatic transmission - 4
2 axles available with 4-speed manual transmission - 2

to have one of each of the above combinations would be 3,648 cars, but since the HEMI isn't common & some interiors do not go with all exterior colors
using the above numbers in red - one of each practical combinations for a 440HP car would take ~912 cars

so, does the car have a "black", "red" or NO "bumblebee stripe"?

Vipermuscle

The car has a red stripe and white painted roof.

RallyeMike

Quoteone of each practical combinations for a 440HP car would take ~912 cars

Perhaps, with all things being equal. Factoring in the imbalances of the various options, the process I would use to make a guess would be something like this:

20,000 1969 R/T Chargers
10%+/- cars are white.
20%+/- of white cars have a red interior.
85%+/- of R/T cars are 440 vs. Hemi.
15%+/1 of R/T cars are 4 speed vs 727.
30%+/- of cars have a painted roof vs. vinyl top.

(20,000 x .10 x .20 x .85 x .15 x .30) = 15 1969 Charger R/T, 440 - 4 speed, white with red interior and no vinyl top.

Not saying there are 15 of them of course, just an example that indicates the surviving number of similar cars can probably be counted on your fingers. Maybe even one hand.

Perhaps we could be indulged with a picture?  :2thumbs:






1969 Charger 500 #232008
1972 Charger, Grand Sport #41
1973 Charger "T/A"

Drive as fast as you want to on a public road! Click here for info: http://www.sscc.us/

RallyeMike

1969 Charger 500 #232008
1972 Charger, Grand Sport #41
1973 Charger "T/A"

Drive as fast as you want to on a public road! Click here for info: http://www.sscc.us/

69 OUR/TEA

The thing is , with registries , there could be 5 more out there of what you have , those 5 people just didn't let it be known they have it . By the options , yes your car is more rare and unusual vs. most 69 R/T's . The whole 1 of 1 thing , all of us that own a 69 R/T can probably break down each car and its options and narrow it down to " the only one built like that " because of colors / options .

XH29N0G

I think some sort of mathematical/statistical simulation might be in order.....   :yesnod:

Honestly, It sounds like a neat car.   :2thumbs:
Who in their right mind would say

"The science should not stand in the way of this."? 

Science is just observation and hypothesis.  Policy stands in the way.........

Or maybe it protects us. 

I suppose it depends on the specific case.....

ph23vo

obv very cool and rare..but prob no way to get even close to a real number..i have  an old fury that's black with orange interior and  orange strobe stripes.... i have only seen one other like it and it was the program car  [PILOT]

i believe it to be the only 1 [publicly sold]......but obv only 1 of 2,.. i personally know of...it also has the 440-6 V-code engine factory...so its def unusual....would be great to someday know if any others were ever made..


Vipermuscle

Some good info here. Much appreciated! I agree that we can only speculate. I literally just stumbled upon the car and was just concerned with acquiring it first not even caring if it was a rare combination car or not. I'll definitely grab a couple pictures for you guys and post them up.

XS29LA47V21

Quote from: Vipermuscle on May 17, 2021, 05:52:32 AM
The car has a red stripe and white painted roof.

Too cool!

That is really really cool to about 1% of Charger guys like me.  If it is really a vinyl top delete Chargers or perhaps correctly worded.... "omitted vinyl top".  That lack of option is really quite rare on any optioned charger and especially an RT.  The all white with red and red stripe must be quite fetching... Please share photos...

69CoronetRT

Quote from: RallyeMike on May 17, 2021, 01:30:51 PM
Quoteone of each practical combinations for a 440HP car would take ~912 cars

Perhaps, with all things being equal. Factoring in the imbalances of the various options, the process I would use to make a guess would be something like this:

20,000 1969 R/T Chargers
10%+/- cars are white.
20%+/- of white cars have a red interior.
85%+/- of R/T cars are 440 vs. Hemi.
15%+/1 of R/T cars are 4 speed vs 727.
30%+/- of cars have a painted roof vs. vinyl top.

(20,000 x .10 x .20 x .85 x .15 x .30) = 15 1969 Charger R/T, 440 - 4 speed, white with red interior and no vinyl top.

Not saying there are 15 of them of course, just an example that indicates the surviving number of similar cars can probably be counted on your fingers. Maybe even one hand.

Perhaps we could be indulged with a picture?  :2thumbs:








There is a common, and an erroneous, assumption you can multiply percentages to come up with a number. It's mathematically dishonest as it assumes an even distributions over all parameters.

The best, and most honest answer to questions like this is still, 'It's impossible to know. Factory data doest exist to support any conclusion as to how many cars were equipped in a certain manner."
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

6bblgt

I started my above post with the intention to demonstrate that most cars are 1 of 1 if you look at all available OPTIONs

we got to 912 units with just exterior paint/interior color/transmission/axle (4 choices)

adding black, white or NO vinyl top (3) we get to 2736
adding black, red or NO bumblebee stripe (3) we get to 8,208

and we haven't started talking about brakes/steering/wheels/radio/mirrors - there are literally millions of combinations available

the available numbers for most of the US spec. '69 Charger R/Ts (in red)

Quote from: RallyeMike on May 17, 2021, 01:30:51 PM
20,000 1969 R/T Chargers
10%+/- cars are white.
20%+/- of white cars have a red interior.
85%+/- of R/T cars are 440 vs. Hemi. (97.7%)
15%+/1 of R/T cars are 4 speed vs 727. (20.3%)
30%+/- of cars have a painted roof vs. vinyl top. (18.7%)

:Twocents: I'd bet your white exterior & red interior numbers are double actual production, but that's just a guess

the OP's R/T is definitely a desirable combination in today's world - even if there were 10 KNOWN

but find a desirable combination R/T with a couple of the rare OPTIONS for 1969 (AM/FM, power windows, hood paint, hood pins, sunroof, recall wheels) & then we can brand it "RARE"

nchrome

l know mines not a one of one but since l've been having trouble finding a brake lite switch for mine cause it also has cruse and a/c.  This must mean that there weren't very many with cruse control on them.  Cause l still haven't found a brake lite switch for it

tan top

Quote from: nchrome on May 18, 2021, 09:14:07 PM
l know mines not a one of one but since l've been having trouble finding a brake lite switch for mine cause it also has cruse and a/c.  This must mean that there weren't very many with cruse control on them.  Cause l still haven't found a brake lite switch for it

sent PM  :yesnod:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

nchrome

Tan Top that link you sent doesn't even come close to what l have. Thanks for trying though. l was able to repair mine but l don't know how long it will last. l'll try to get a picture of it then you will see what it is suppose to look like