Window sticker question

[AKcharger]

I want to buy a repro window sticker
1) is ECS the only source?
2) My car was Ordered not a floor model, with the customers name be in the "sold to" bock or is that still the dealership

Thanks!

[69CoronetRT]

If YOU don't know what should be on the sheet, why spend hard earned money and trust someone that will , in the end, make a fake document?

[triple_green]

that is one loaded Charger what is the bottom line?

[69CoronetRT]

It's a fake sheet for a 'Cuda....

[AKcharger]

Thats a sample from the ECS web site. I have all the documentation except the window sticker.

[Alaskan_TA]

Stick with what you have for originals.

'Made up" documentation is useless, it can actually taint a cars history.

People start to wonder what else is bogus...... 

[AKcharger]

Well I know at car shows the window sticker is the one thing people look at and talk about more than anything

[Alaskan_TA]

Likely because most of them are not real.

There have been fakes on the market since at least the late 1970s.

Waste of money in every case.

Fake documentation is often noticed at shows, so if they talk about that more than the car, it is because the fakery detracts from the car itself. 

[Kern Dog]

Hmmm....
If the car is a 318 car being passed off as a genuine R/T or other model, that ain't right. If you're doing it for fun and are honest about it, I see no problem. There is a member here..."Dano" I think, that was looking to make fender tags with a 3D printer. The font was different enough to not pass as an original. I think that is great. I don't care to have a 100% stock type car anyway. I like some changes and these plastic tags allow people to add in their own "codes" to personalize their car.
That is what I plan on doing.
E 87 is a 440-6 barrel, right? Why not E 93 for a 493 engine?
What is the code for a 727? D 36? I'm changing to a 5 speed so instead of the D 21 for a 4 speed, how about a D 25?
I plan to do a variation of the factory codes for every change like modern A/C, 4 wheel disc brakes, better seats, stereo, etc.

[BSB67]

I agree with AK.  Who cares if the window sticker is the original, just as long as you don't pass it off as something other than what it is.   It simply gives people something to look at and maybe have a conversation. 

[69CoronetRT]

"Never under estimate a human beings ability to rationalize and justify their actions." Jason Lewis. Talk show host and US Congressman
   

[69CoronetRT]

I agree with AK.  Who cares if the window sticker is the original, just as long as you don't pass it off as something other than what it is.   It simply gives people something to look at and maybe have a conversation. 

"Oh. Hi. I couldn't help but notice you were looking at the window sticker. It's a fake. You see I thought spending good money on a forged document would be a good way for us to have a conversation. Now. I"m being honest and telling you it's a fake. But that's ok. Or so people tell me. I have no idea what is really supposed to be on it. Paying someone to put false and wrong info on a piece of paper is a good way for you to think of me as a highly intelligent and ethical car owner. Don"t you agree?"

Said no one. Ever.

[bee1971]

When I talked to ECS a few years back , they told me they wouldn't reproduce a window sticker without a copy of the original

Didn't matter if you had fender tags - Broadcast sheets - DNA Sample - Birth Certificate



Anyways

These guys will do it

https://www.window-sticker.com/

[Kern Dog]

"Oh. Hi. I couldn't help but notice you were looking at the window sticker. It's a fake. You see I thought spending good money on a forged document would be a good way for us to have a conversation. Now. I"m being honest and telling you it's a fake. But that's ok. Or so people tell me. I have no idea what is really supposed to be on it. Paying someone to put false and wrong info on a piece of paper is a good way for you to think of me as a highly intelligent and ethical car owner. Don"t you agree?"

Said no one. Ever.

Well, since you phrased it like the ramblings of a complete idiot, I would hope that nobody would ever say it.

[AKcharger]

Bee1971 Thanks so much!! That's exactly what I needed and you saved me a Ton of money! 

- Alaskian T/A - Howdy BTW... no, without fail EVERYONE focused on prices and reminiced about how much the car cost back then and tells theire wife/GF/kids "this carwas only $4200 new!! I generally go to normal local shows, I've never got any judgement.
- BSB67 yup everyone gets a kick out of it. The sticker on My '72 is original and the one on my previous '70 was repro...everyone responded the same and got a kick out of prices
- Kern Dog - We do pretty good here at DC.COM, it's rare to see an idiot comment but it's gonna happen, you should see what it's like over at "Airline Pilot Central" those guys are Vicious! lol. Bee1971's info was worth any comments by trolls

[69CoronetRT]

"Oh. Hi. I couldn't help but notice you were looking at the window sticker. It's a fake. You see I thought spending good money on a forged document would be a good way for us to have a conversation. Now. I"m being honest and telling you it's a fake. But that's ok. Or so people tell me. I have no idea what is really supposed to be on it. Paying someone to put false and wrong info on a piece of paper is a good way for you to think of me as a highly intelligent and ethical car owner. Don"t you agree?"

Said no one. Ever.

Well, since you phrased it like the ramblings of a complete idiot, I would hope that nobody would ever say it.

I get tired of the silly excuses and rationalizing and justifying why people want to fake stuff.  I'd rather people just be honest and say want to impress people with phony info.

[Kern Dog]

My intentions were not about deception for personal gain. Some people will see it that way.
For me, my car will have codes that never existed to reflect aftermarket upgrades that were not available.

[Challenger340]

I agree with AK.  Who cares if the window sticker is the original, just as long as you don't pass it off as something other than what it is.   It simply gives people something to look at and maybe have a conversation. 

"Oh. Hi. I couldn't help but notice you were looking at the window sticker. It's a fake. You see I thought spending good money on a forged document would be a good way for us to have a conversation. Now. I"m being honest and telling you it's a fake. But that's ok. Or so people tell me. I have no idea what is really supposed to be on it. Paying someone to put false and wrong info on a piece of paper is a good way for you to think of me as a highly intelligent and ethical car owner. Don"t you agree?"

Said no one. Ever.

[BSB67]

"........Paying someone to put false and wrong info on a piece of paper............."

I don't think that is AK's intent. 

[AKcharger]

"........Paying someone to put false and wrong info on a piece of paper............."

I don't think that is AK's intent. 

Correct BSB67, it's to hang on the window at car shows and let people see car prices from half a century ago. 

But question remains, if the car was ORDERED from the dealer would it even have a window sticker as it's already sold?

[odcics2]

I miss the days when you could modify your car, drive around and NOT sit at a car show with folks arguing over which way a hose clamp should be orientated.

Remember the days BEFORE you knew about "matching numbers"?   Fun times!   

[bee1971]

"........Paying someone to put false and wrong info on a piece of paper............."

I don't think that is AK's intent.  

Correct BSB67, it's to hang on the window at car shows and let people see car prices from half a century ago.  

But question remains, if the car was ORDERED from the dealer would it even have a window sticker as it's already sold?

Yes , the dealer fills out an order blank with all the options you paid for

Then a window sticker is attached to the car when made

[AKcharger]

Yes , the dealer fills out an order blank with all the options you paid for

Then a window sticker is attached to the car when made

huh? I thought the dealer put that on..thanks 

As I'm filling out my order form I noticed a "mystery" the original owner ordered 15 inch rallyes with F60-15s. The build sheet shows T87 for tires (F70x14 Raised White Lettering Polyglas)  but "labels" for tire pressure shows code 68 which is for F60x15 PN3402068 LABEL???  Did the factory mess up? The  wheels code is 61 for 14 OR 15 inch rallys so that doesn't help and I got what I was told were the original wheels, 14 inch rallyes and all the date codes are proper for a May 8th build. It was a Friday car so you never know 

[6bblgt]

I don't know what you are using for a decoder, but
61 = 14x5.5" RALLYE wheels
63 = 14x5.5" ROAD wheels
71 = 15x7.0" RALLYE wheels

& "IF" we are discussing a '71 Charger, F60-15 tires were NOT an OPTION, so the "mystery" starts there 

[6bblgt]

When I talked to ECS a few years back , they told me they wouldn't reproduce a window sticker without a copy of the original   ..........

that might be what someone told you, but they have made many "reproduction" window stickers with INCORRECT & FAKE information - as well as some FAKE broadcast sheets 

[bee1971]

Again , that was a few years back so

https://ecs-automotive-concepts.myshopify.com/products/chrysler-window-msrp-stickers?_pos=1&_psq=window%20&_ss=e&_v=1.0

[AKcharger]

6bbl No we're talking about a '70 and I was using the decoder of the 1970 charger registry so any error is compley theirs 

http://1970chargerregistry.com/Production/500_sheet_decoder.html

[6bblgt]

OK, F60-15 POLYGLAS GTs were an OPTION on 1970 Charger

"68" is correct for a 1970 Charger with F70-14 tires - here's ECS' reproduction

  '70 Charger registry needs a little "proof" reading - I've redlined the WHEELS ROAD COLOR SPARE section

[AKcharger]

HUh? interesting...thanks 6bbl! well good, I didn't want to go hunt down any 15 inch rallye wheels anyway  than looks like what I have is correct

...wait, is that a "FAKE" tire inflation sticker!!  I'm Kidding, I'm kidding!

Thanks again for the help!

[Kern Dog]

I miss the days when you could modify your car, drive around and NOT sit at a car show with folks arguing over which way a hose clamp should be orientated.

Remember the days BEFORE you knew about "matching numbers"?   Fun times!   

You mean back when they were just USED cars and not investments?   

[AKcharger]

I maintain that these cars are for our pleasure.  Unless you have a Hemi or 6 pack car i think there are better "investments".   

[odcics2]

I miss the days when you could modify your car, drive around and NOT sit at a car show with folks arguing over which way a hose clamp should be orientated.

Remember the days BEFORE you knew about "matching numbers"?   Fun times!   

You mean back when they were just USED cars and not investments?   

Damn right!   

My 68 Charger was pretty good in the snow, in spite of the G-60-15 Goodyear Rally GT tires all the way around on slotted Ansen wheels!!   

[AKcharger]

When I talked to ECS a few years back , they told me they wouldn't reproduce a window sticker without a copy of the original

Didn't matter if you had fender tags - Broadcast sheets - DNA Sample - Birth Certificate

Got an email from them today, same. They said they need a window sticker to...make...a ..window sticker???    If you ALREADY have one why would you have one made??
Anyway I turned the MOPAR community on it's head and ordered from the window sticker.com place...I hope the hobby survives this travisty!

[AKcharger]

In case anyone cares repro sticker on the right for the '70 and the original from my '72 on the left.  slight diffences but that may also be due to the years. Anyway...it makes me happy!  

[ODZKing]

In case anyone cares repro sticker on the right for the '70 and the original from my '72 on the left. Slight differences but that may also be due to the years. Anyway...it makes me happy!  

Several things AK. First, yes the years. Also the form/sheet is most likely a different number not to mention options come and go as well as the price changes or increase. Also the features side bar changes from year to year.
If you are looking to reproduce yours, best is to find a fairly clean one or clean yours up as much as possible. You can do amazing things with photo programs today.
When I redid mine, the biggest issue was finding the correct font.

[AKcharger]

Thanks ODZ but this is fine for me. It's just a conversation piice for passers by at car shows