Finding the Dealership a car was sold from

[goh2]

Hello,

I just joined this forum a few months ago, as I'm starting a project that has been in the family since '73ish. To start, I'm wondering how other members have found the original dealership that sold their cars.

A little back story, in the early seventies my mom and dad were swimming at a state park about 30 miles away; on their way home my dad saw the charger below going the opposite direction. As family lore goes, he spun his 62 Chrysler 300 sport around, chased the driver of the 500 down, flagged him over and told the driver if he ever sold the car to let my dad know. Contact info was exchanged, and a few years later the owner called and said he was selling the car. The car was purchased.

The 500 became more of a Sunday driver, than anything else (38,xxx currently on the odometer.) A few years later, between '79 and '80, (inspection sticker on the windshield is 1980), my mom used it one day to commute to the University of Pittsburgh; if you are familiar with Pittsburgh you know there are many many hills in the area, she didn't want to drive a manual transmission on the hills in the city, so she was told to 'just take the charger'. The car was parked in a valet lot and the valet requested that she leave the keys in the car. After her classes were finished for the day, she discovered that the car had been stolen out of the lot. My guess is the theft was a joyride, rather than an attempt to strip the car, as a few days later the car was wrecked on a local highway, allowing the family to get it back. It went into storage, after the accident and theft and really hasn't seen the light of day since.

My brother and I recently came to an understanding about what to do with the car, as my dad passed away in 97, and I am starting the process of repair and hopefully a full restoration. Current state of the car, is the frame is tweaked, which is why it went into storage, as a suitable frame shop couldn't be found. It has a 440 in it currently, but is an original hemi car. VIN: XX29J9B239411.

Now for the reason I am trying to find the original dealer, I was told the story of the dealership swapping the engine out, because someone wanted the hemi to race, i know that this probably means it is gone, but I want to at least try to find the original block. I don't know if the transmission or rear end is original, as i haven't had a chance to check the numbers.

Any info on the block or on how to find the original dealership would be greatly appreciated. It is in the registry, which allowed us, thanks to 69_500, to get the broadcast sheet for the car.

Thank you all in advance, hopefully this is posted in the correct place.

Also if there is anything I can do to aid in this community's quest to increase the information available on these cars I would be more than happy to do what I can, as I have already learned a wealth of knowledge through perusing past posts. 

[goh2]

Apologies that photo is horribly distorted, still learning how to use this interface.

[70 sublime]

Welcome to the group

Nice to have a story to go with a car

[69_500]

Glad to see you posting here. The only shipment list known is in the possession of Galen G. Which has done less to impress the community as of late. That is a complete other story though.

Looking forward to seeing this car progress to being back on the road. Did you find a Yes on the driver side tail light?

[goh2]

It was a 'no'. I was was afraid that was the case for dealership question.

[69_500]

It was a 'no'. I was was afraid that was the case for dealership question.

the "NO" is merely there for not moving the trunk light tab

[billssuperbird]

I would love to know the dealership that sold in my car  I traced it all the way down to the second owner and at that point that's where it stop  I found my car in Monongahela Pennsylvania

[goh2]

How did you trace the previous owners? I read about a federal law that prohibits State DMVs from disclosing vehicle ownership data, due to privacy concerns, which was passed in the late 90s and haven't come up with an idea on how to circumvent this yet.

As a side note the PennDOT does have a form to request information on a vehicle, DL-135 below, but I haven't sent it in to see what information comes back.

[goh2]

Form dl-135 available on PennDOT website

[Dragon Slayer]

What paper work do you have with the car.  Title can help sometimes.  Some people get and keep a copy of the transfer titles so you may catch an owner or two.  You might find registration cards.  You might get an envelope with an original dealer address or one of those in between.  One of my cars, I was able to trace to the dealership that sold the owner the car.  My previous owner had the car for 40 years.  Via internet I got the phone number of the son of the owner of the dealership since it was in owners name.  Told me the story of how he remembers carrying boxes of paper work to the local trash yard for the city destroying all those records after dealership sold and father passed.

Envelope showed the car had a color change back then.

As far as Galen, on my other car it had his verification letter and showed a dealer that was in my area.  Part of the reason I bought the car.  I tracked down the Regional Dodge service rep for the area, former dealership owner himself, and now retired in FL.  He gave me a bunch of info and was fun to listen to his stories.  The only problem, the dealer ship listed on Galen's letter did not exist when the car was built.  Became a dealership in mid 70s.  When asked about the letter, his secretary said Galen had heard that was the dealership so he put it on the letter. 

So take it for what it is worth, but some folks will do anything for money and will compromise at any level for it.  Customer's that are selling a car, especially high end guys can pay the inspector for the results they want.

[goh2]

As of now I only have the title. I have been searching through pages of receipts and other docs that were kept from the seventies, but to date haven't had any luck finding anything that lists names or dates as it pertains to the car.

[maxwellwedge]

How did you trace the previous owners? I read about a federal law that prohibits State DMVs from disclosing vehicle ownership data, due to privacy concerns, which was passed in the late 90s and haven't come up with an idea on how to circumvent this yet.

As a side note the PennDOT does have a form to request information on a vehicle, DL-135 below, but I haven't sent it in to see what information comes back.

Some states, like N Carolina for example,  still have the records and can do a search for you for a few dollars a name.

[4cruzin]

Here in Michigan, records at the DMV only go back 10 years I believe . . . 

[billssuperbird]

The gentleman I bought the car from gave me the name of the man he bought it from and then that guy gave me the next name and the next and that's where it's stopped. The third owner of gave me pictures of the car just after we had it painted my car was a triple black bench seat 4 Speed 383

[6bblgt]

anyone know where RM23V0A179708 is now?  FJ5 Superbird out of PA

[goh2]

Oddly enough, I have heard rumors of two superbirds within 10 or so miles from me, but i have never seen them or met the owners of them. I've just heard rumors of the cars existence.

[Redbird]

This whole fascination with finding the broadcast sheets, selling dealers, and fender tags has always reminded me of Leon Kowalski in Blade Runner. When Leon is sitting with Deckard, Leon has pictures from the past and he is attempting to demonstrate that he is not a Replicant.

I am not one to wish time away, but I look forward to the prices of our cars being worth 1/3 to 1/4 of what they are today. Younger people will want shared electric cars and us older folks will have self driving cars.

Should you believe a broadcast sheet makes you feel like your car is worth 10% more, spend away.

If someone has a list of Charger 500 selling dealers and someone wants the list, offer to buy the whole list from him. Pay his price.  Otherwise I do not believe you have reason to be jealous, envious, or just plain bitter about something he owns.  I don't think he owes anyone access to the list at all. If he wants to give it away, fine too. I don't like that perhaps he got people to send him broadcast sheets and and some people have said he now sells them, oh well. We have a speculating market, not a hobby, that we deserve IMHO.

I'm glad that most states do not give out records of old licence plates or titles. No one should have to worry that someone they do not want to see again has access to their records.

In 1993 David Patik said this about judging factory new standards for Superbirds; "No points are lost for a correct replacement engine, transmission or rear end; this assumes that the replacements were assembled in the correct model year, and are so marked. What is irreplaceably lost should not require fraud to compensate for fate."

[Redbird]

This whole fascination with finding the broadcast sheets, selling dealers, and fender tags has always reminded me of Leon Kowalski in Blade Runner. When Leon is sitting with Deckard, Leon has pictures from the past and he is attempting to demonstrate that he is not a Replicant.

I am not one to wish time away, but I look forward to the prices of our cars being worth 1/3 to 1/4 of what they are today. Younger people will want shared electric cars and us older folks will have self driving cars.

Should you believe a broadcast sheet makes you feel like your car is worth 10% more, spend away.

If someone has a list of Charger 500 selling dealers and someone wants the list, offer to buy the whole list from him. Pay his price.  Otherwise I do not believe you have reason to be jealous, envious, or just plain bitter about something he owns.  I don't think he owes anyone access to the list at all. If he wants to give it away, fine too. I don't like that perhaps he got people to send him broadcast sheets and and some people have said he now sells them, oh well. We have a speculating market, not a hobby, that we deserve IMHO.

I'm glad that most states do not give out records of old licence plates or titles. No one should have to worry that someone they do not want to see again has access to their records.

In 1993 David Patik said this about judging factory new standards for Superbirds; "No points are lost for a correct replacement engine, transmission or rear end; this assumes that the replacements were assembled in the correct model year, and are so marked. What is irreplaceably lost should not require fraud to compensate for fate."

Accidently clicked the quote icon, did not mean anything else or emphasis.

[billssuperbird]

I have my original broadcast sheet

[hemi68charger]

Hello,

I just joined this forum a few months ago, as I'm starting a project that has been in the family since '73ish. To start, I'm wondering how other members have found the original dealership that sold their cars.

Welcome to the Board and the restoration of your 500.. This is the place to be to get information and the rights/wrongs of how to restore a 500 properly.. I have owned 4, currently working on my 4th.... You can see the thread in this Aero section...

Best of luck on bringing it back..... Oh, what is the color combination? 4speed is always nice. I have had 2 previous 4speeds..

[goh2]

Its R6 Red, with a white strip and black interior. Also it is an automatic. Over the past few weeks I have got it started, albeit using a gas can for the fuel supply. Next steps are to clean out the fuel lines and drop and clean the fuel tank, to enable easy movement between shop bays. Then to measure the frame and determine how far out of square the accident mentioned above shifted everything.

[70 sublime]

Where did your car get hit ?
One side only or right across the front ?

[gtx6970]

This whole fascination with finding the broadcast sheets, selling dealers, and fender tags has always reminded me of Leon Kowalski in Blade Runner. When Leon is sitting with Deckard, Leon has pictures from the past and he is attempting to demonstrate that he is not a Replicant.

I am not one to wish time away, but I look forward to the prices of our cars being worth 1/3 to 1/4 of what they are today. Younger people will want shared electric cars and us older folks will have self driving cars.

Should you believe a broadcast sheet makes you feel like your car is worth 10% more, spend away.

If someone has a list of Charger 500 selling dealers and someone wants the list, offer to buy the whole list from him. Pay his price.  Otherwise I do not believe you have reason to be jealous, envious, or just plain bitter about something he owns.  I don't think he owes anyone access to the list at all. If he wants to give it away, fine too. I don't like that perhaps he got people to send him broadcast sheets and and some people have said he now sells them, oh well. We have a speculating market, not a hobby, that we deserve IMHO.

I'm glad that most states do not give out records of old licence plates or titles. No one should have to worry that someone they do not want to see again has access to their records.

In 1993 David Patik said this about judging factory new standards for Superbirds; "No points are lost for a correct replacement engine, transmission or rear end; this assumes that the replacements were assembled in the correct model year, and are so marked. What is irreplaceably lost should not require fraud to compensate for fate."

Wow, Im not sure how to respond to this one.



BUT

I like knowing or having any of its  history and having any paperwork from my cars past. I truly don't care it it adds value or not. As my car is absolutely not for sale . My 2 girls can fight over it once Im dead and gone.

[goh2]

Front photo

[goh2]

Where did your car get hit ?
One side only or right across the front ?

It was hit on the front passenger's side. Passenger's door won't close properly, I personally have never measured the car, but was told from relatives that the framing being bent was the reason it was put in storage, but i want to confirm for myself.