A new chapter in the life of an unrestored Hemi Daytona

[aerolith]

Stunning picture of the Herald 'hemi-chic'!

I saw a similar accident in the UK a few years back where the open-top sports car had rolled.

Guess what, they ain't here telling wonderful stories about hemi and sixpack cars etc...

We had a Herald as a company car 'back in the day' it was horrible to drive and downright dangerous.
I believe they had a similar axle set-up to the once infamous Corvair, drive FAST at peril to ALL...
They also had an early 1300 GLX Ford Escort that I nearly crashed too on a high speed bend.

60's and 70's British cars weren't all they are 'cracked-up' to be and were only any good with massive suspension modifications...

I have a friend or two in Lisbon and they drive VW's... Oh the shame of it...

[426HemiChick]

Hi Folks,                    23 November 2020

It's been 2 weeks and 2 days since Our Daytona adopted Bob, or was it Bob that adopted her? I think they adopted each other, which we like to think is the best of both worlds.

Bob's Daytona's departure for greener pastures has left a real void. She was a fixture in our lives for more than half the time we have spent on this Space Ship.

When she departed, we were left with four vehicles here, one of which is the RR whose Hemi has been in a disassembled configuration for 51 years, and two vehicles in Phoenix.

I want to get home last year. You read that right. not a typo. I want to get there ASAP if not sooner. Currently working through the garage sorting the parts to the RR and SB and repacking them for shipment home.

The Ford does need a good bit of work and it does have 120K + miles on the clock. I prefer doing the major work myself, which takes a fair amount of time. I've had the delusion I can do everything I used to do just as well and fast. Since I have been working in the garage, my delusion has caused the conclusion I'm full of shit; I ain't 25 anymore. I'm slower, lower (a couple inches shorter), less strong (sounds better than weaker) and don't have the fire in my belly to get all grimy, greasy and dirty.

Came up with a modification of the general plan. We bought another Hemi, one that runs, and has room for Dena, our three pups and me, as long as I ride in the bed. We took title to it today; it's a 2009 Ford (Gotcha didn't we?), Dodge Ram 1500 Laramie Quad Cab w/67K on the clock.

I have enrolled in the local university's course on "How to Start it" and anything else you probably don't care to know. The course on "How To Stop  It" is an Optional extra cost feature, which is highly recommended .... if one plans to go anywhere in it.

The owners manual is 500 + pages of gobbledygook. By the time I'm finished reading it the truck, or I, may be both, will be toast.

It's Inferno Red (What is it with us and Red Vehicles?). 426 Hemi 5 Spd Auto Trans. 5.7 liters is 426 CI right? We can dream can't we? It's a reasonable substitute considering it'll take awhile to get the RR and SB's engines reassembled and running again.

We think we should put a small replica Nose Cone on the front and a small replica Wing on the bed cover and call her a .... Never have seen this before .... a "Ramtona(c)(TM)" or "Raytona(c)(TM)." What you all think" Which shall it be? You saw it here first.

The truck was bought from a friend and neighbor. Used mainly to go between here and their summer home in Maine. It has been driven about 6K miles per year and has been well cared for.

We feel better now that we're back to a two Hemi family.

Have to get all the MOPARTS and FOMOCO parts packed and ready to ship. There are more than I could have imagined. Even a bunch of Harley parts. Fortunately, all the airplane parts are gone; still have a bunch of aircraft tools I should find a home for.

Bob,

Found additional items for you. Will ship as soon as all are rounded up.

Time to get back into the garage.

Best Always,

Dena and Christine

Wed 25 Nov 20 - Edited for clarity

[tan top]

 Bob sent me this picture of the upper radiator hose , side by side with a repop

[6bblgt]

with a different vendor number, the reproduction is probably based on a "NOS" unit (or different plant or model year), not a 1969 Hamtramck assembly line unit

[hemi-hampton]

Don't even look close. deduct a point. 

[gtx6970]

with a different vendor number, the reproduction is probably based on a "NOS" unit (or different plant or model year), not a 1969 Hamtramck assembly line unit

Ive seen at least 2 , maybe 3 different styles of print on original hoses. So yes  there were multiple vendors supplying hoses back then

[6bblgt]

FYI - the broadcast sheet calls out "IN" upper radiator hose # "86" = part # 2806 186 - for 1969 it is b-body HEMI ONLY

the 2863 230 is OE on a 1969 b-body with 383 & A/C Leece-Neville alternator (cop car piece)  is it original to the car or was it replaced early in the car's life ??

the factory 1969 383/440 b-body with 26" radiator was # 2863257

[taxspeaker]

2806 186 on a build sheet is not a part number, it is a code for passenger side, 26" radiator inlet location on radiator core

2863230 IS the part number for a Hemi radiator inlet hose-read all the lines-383, w/AC and then it says "426 engine All"-see attached parts page from actual dealer 1969 parts books I took when my employer was throwing them away in 1977.

Yes it is the original, correct hose. I have cleaned it inside and out and will reinstall it.

Now as to the bottom hose, of which I have not posted a picture, I am not so sure. I have it off and will be examining it under better light-it does not appear to have any part numbers on it at all. Further examination to follow. If it is original I will reuse it if possible, but my gut tells me it is a Gates hose-it kind of looks like there are faint imprints of a triangle on it, and I seem to remember Gates using that. More to come on that.
Thanks
Bob

[6bblgt]

I disagree,
you are looking at a superceded part number in a January 1971 parts catalog (not assembly line) maybe the same version of the '69 catalog the replacement was ordered out of  

in the build section of a broadcast sheet, the 2-digits are the last 2-digits of the part # or an assembly's part #

here's a pic of the currently available reproduction 2806186 radiator hose

[6bblgt]

within a month of the purchase of my first (used) car, I replaced wheels/tires/shocks/hoses/belts

hopefully some of these components are still on the ~25K mile Daytona, but I'd be surprised    they are among the most difficult to find OE pieces

[taxspeaker]

Got it, thanks!
Christine says never replaced, and i just called Jack, the 1st owner, who swears the same thing, so a never to be answered mystery.

[gtx6970]

Just my personal opinion.
But I would be very leary of driving it on 50 plus year old  radiator hoses .

Put a set of the best repops on it and take a little bit of stress off the drive

[chargervert]

Congrats Bob,on aquiring yet another amazing piece of wingcar history! When the original thread began,I was one of the people who believed that the car was legit,and the Dena and Christine were being honest about the cars that they had,and have preserved for decades. When the pictures were posted,it confirmed what I believed to be true. I also stated that the car was indeed the holy grail,and perhapse the only unrestored Hemi Daytona left in the world! Now that Dena and Christine have decided to pass the torch,I admire them for their concern for the well being of car, that they found the best possible home for the car,with Bob. Your generous gift to Ernie just proves even more that is about the cars,and not the money as Dena and Christine have said from the begining! This story is really what our hobby is all about!

[hemi68charger]

Just my personal opinion.
But I would be very leary of driving it on 50 plus year old  radiator hoses .

Put a set of the best repops on it and take a little bit of stress off the drive

Take the original hose and go make a stencil to duplicate the stamps..

[maxwellwedge]

Just my personal opinion.
But I would be very leary of driving it on 50 plus year old  radiator hoses .

Put a set of the best repops on it and take a little bit of stress off the drive

I guess it depends on the condition.
I have a few cars with original hoses....and I drive them 

[AKcharger]

Congrats, Great Story. Glad to see your keeping it Original instead of Restoring it. LEON.

I second that!

[Moparpoolman]

Just my personal opinion.
But I would be very leary of driving it on 50 plus year old  radiator hoses .

Put a set of the best repops on it and take a little bit of stress off the drive

I guess it depends on the condition.
I have a few cars with original hoses....and I drive them 

I'd run a lower PSI radiator cap and put the original back on when it's on display

[426HemiChick]

Hi Bob,                      14 December 2020

Just thought of something, what kind of hose clamps are/were on the bottom hose? If they are the screw type, to us it says the hose was replaced. During the years your Daytona was driven, hardly anyone would reuse OEM hose clamps when replacing hoses, too much trouble and who would have been able to foresee the interest in these cars down the road. Looking back we wish we had all the parts we tossed because: "No one will ever want this stuff." Too bad Foresight isn't as good as Hindsight.

Just a thought.

Sent you a PM with the numbers on the RR's and SB's Rad hoses. They are original. As soon as we get the photos, we'll post them here on your thread.

Best Always,

426 Hemi Chicks

[426HemiChick]

Hi Bob,                 19 December 2020

Below are the photos of the Rad Hoses for our 1968 Hemi Road Runner and 1969 440 Six-Pack Super Bee. They have 4405 and 2681 miles, respectively, on their clocks.

The RR was driven about 6 weeks in 68 and the SB about 8 weeks in 69, during which I had a company car at my disposal.

The hoses pictured below are the actual OEM hoses that were on the cars when we bought them. They are soft and pliable; there are marks/indentations where the OEM hose clamps did their duty.

One of the things we found interesting is the top hose for the 69 440 6-PK  has the same PN as the top hose on your Hemi Daytona. Both cars are 69's and believe built in the same Chrysler assembly plant, Hamtramck (B code digit 7 of VIN).

I wouldn't put too much faith in Chrysler's record keeping or Build/Broadcast Sheets.

Hope you find this a bit helpful. We would like to see a photo of your Daytona's bottom Rad hose if possible.

1968 Hemi Roadrunner Top Rad Hose

1968 Hemi Roadrunner Bottom Rad Hose

1969 Super Bee Top Rad Hose

1969 Super Bee Bottom Rad Hose

Take care everyone.

Best Always,

Dena and Christine, the 426 Hemi Chicks

[6bblgt]

Dena / Christine, I think you have your upper radiator hoses switched #30 for the HEMI & the #57 for the 440+6 - the lowers are appropriate #31 for '68 & #45 for '69
the shape is different between the 2 because of the fuel lines

so it appears both the '68 & '69 HEMIs had 2863230 upper hoses originally    

when you put the '68 HEMI in the A12 Super Bee did you change the K-frame?

the Charger (9B) was built in Hamtramck, MI VS. the Super Bee (9A) on Lynch Rd. in Detroit, MI ~7 miles away    where was the Road Runner built?  8A or 8G (St. Louis, MO)

[6bblgt]

here are pics of the current reproductions of the #31 & #45 reproduction lower radiator hoses

  & it looks like the #45 is stamped on the wrong "END" 

[ACUDANUT]

 That is some serious nick picking. What's next, original air in the tires ? 

[odcics2]

That is some serious nick picking. What's next, original air in the tires ? 

It's either right or it's wrong....   

This is one car that, in my opinion, should be as correct, and remain, as original as possible.
It's a time capsule.   
 

[426HemiChick]

Hi 6bblgt,                       19 December 2020

All four Rad hoses were in the same box. The way I determined which hoses were from the two cars is by the condition of the hoses and what was on the inside of the hoses where they attach to the engine.

After we finished building the 68 Hemi, which we were going to return to the RR, it sat on the engine stand over the winter of 68/69. When 69 rolled around, in my infinite wisdom, I ordered the 6-PK SB. Drove it a bit, had trouble with the engine at about 00005 miles due to the passenger rocker shaft not being tightened/torqued properly causing the pushrods to pop out bending two valves in the process.

Had it warranty fixed, sort of, another story. Drove it around for awhile until we were ready to swap the engines. Fortunately, I had some foresight and bought a new Hemi K member. (No, it's not for sale)

Once we had the Hemi built I painted it Black and painted the rocker covers Orange. What does this have to do with hoses? When I checked the hoses to try and determine which was what, I found two things in two of the hoses, black paint and the remnants of a sealer, my favorite at the time, called Gasgacinch, and still is. When replacing Rad hoses, I always coated the inside of the hose where it contacted the Rad.

While examining the hoses I found black paint and Gasgcinch inside the set of hoses I indicated were from the 68 Hemi. Could I be wrong? Only once, when I thought I was wrong and it turned out I was right. Yes it's possible but those two hoses were on the Hemi when we had it in the SB. Also, the two hoses we indicated as being from the SB appeared to have the least amount of usage and no black paint or Gasgacinch inside.

I'm going from my recollection of what we did 51 and 52 years ago. That's probably before most of you were born, or at least old enough to drive. I don't know about others, I started driving at 12 or 13. We borrowed cars people weren't using at the moment; when we found one, we would loan their cars to ourselves, drive them around and return them with a near empty tank... and three hubcaps. The passenger side rear cap always went AWOL if they had Spinner Caps (53 Oldsmobile Spinners were the best.)

I'll check the RR and SB VIN's and post them here.

Take care.

Best Always,

426 Hemi Chicks

PS:

I can assure you, Dena had no part in my youthful escapades during those formative years.

[426HemiChick]

That is some serious nick picking. What's next, original air in the tires ? 

Hi Miss CUDA,                19 December 2020

Just happen to have a couple tires with original 52 year old air. Amazing, the things we have. I think it's called "Packrat." Guilty as charged. Again, Dena had no part in it. She's the one with the Brains and Common Sense.

Best Always,

426 Hemi Chicks