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73 Dodge Charger 400 big block help!!!

Started by Michaelgt450, September 24, 2020, 08:25:08 PM

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Michaelgt450

Hello my name is Michael this is my first time post if I post it in the wrong spot sorry you could move it. Anyways I'm building a 73 Dodge Charger 400 big block automatic transmission 727 automatic. It has 87,000 miles one owner my dad recently we got some bad news about him he was diagnosed with cancer.. and I'm building this car for him I really want him to just drive it but I don't really know anything about Chargers or Mopar for that matter so I might need some help what are the torque specs? What it has now is 11 to 1 compression aftermarket  Pistons ..a cam the specs are 480 lift I forgot the duration and some headers and I'm planning on getting RPM Performance Edelbrock intake and a 650 Edelbrock carburetor any help would be appreciated

70 sublime

My father also bought a 73 Charger with the 400 motor in it
Still around too but very rusted away

Was your motor rebuilt at some time ?
next project 70 Charger FJ5 green

Michaelgt450

That's cool man.. he rebuilt it back in 80 something the things I'm reusing are the Pistons stock rods and crank and block my dad also put 383 cylinder heads

ACUDANUT

That's a cool thing to do for your Dad. I however doubt it has 11 to 1 compression. :Twocents:
A Holley 750 is a better choice for the carb.

Michaelgt450

Thanks you're probably right... we did check piston to valve clearance it has a lot of clearance... maybe I can sell the 650 and get a 750 Holley carburetor what are the Bolt Bolt torque specs..

Michaelgt450

What exhaust should I get he doesn't want it loud I was thinking Dynomax super turbo muffler 2 and 1/2 in?

John_Kunkel

You can download a copy of the Factory Serviced Manual here:

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=109

A must have for torque specs, etc.
Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Michaelgt450

Quote from: John_Kunkel on September 25, 2020, 01:37:39 PM
You can download a copy of the Factory Serviced Manual here:

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=109

A must have for torque specs, etc.

Thank you for this are the 1970s the same torque as the 1973?

ODZKing

Quote from: Michaelgt450 on September 25, 2020, 03:23:09 PM
Thank you for this are the 1970s the same torque as the 1973?
Doubt it. I have a copy of the service manual as well as parts book on my site as well.
http://www.retrorarities.com/images/73DodgeServiceManual.zip

Michaelgt450

Quote from: ODZKing on September 26, 2020, 10:21:02 AM
Quote from: Michaelgt450 on September 25, 2020, 03:23:09 PM
Thank you for this are the 1970s the same torque as the 1973?
Doubt it. I have a copy of the service manual as well as parts book on my site as well.
http://www.retrorarities.com/images/73DodgeServiceManual.zip

Thank you so much this is exactly what I needed I have one more question are these cars is the engine internal balance or external for stock .... what's a good harmonic balancer replacement... the stock harmonic balancer the rubber is coming off and it needs to be replaced

Nacho-RT74

Welcome and great you will help on your Dad's Charger.

Torque specs use to came associated with bolt size and metal grade ( and the metal piece is tightening up ). On this case head bolts are 5/8" as far I recall torque must be around 55 lbs on an initial step then raised up to 70 lbs. ( this is not way diff from other manufacturers ) to be torqued on this order:



383 heads won't be diff from the original 400 heads, unless they are pre 68 heads which are closed chambers. I seriouslly doubt you got 11:1 CR with stock pistons at least, not even with closed chambers. Unless got custom pistons or stroked engine ( and with some decking job added ). HiPo pistons variety for 400 are limited to ONE as far I know... Hypereutectic KB 240.

Stock pistons are rated into the 8.2:1 CR, and that's just being a blueprinted engine. Usually Block deck height and combustion chambers are way bigger than specs and you could get a 7.5:1 CR on a 400

400 uses to be external balanced since they are cast cranks. Some earlier 4 speeds 400 got forged crank which are internally balanced but those are not really common.

Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Michaelgt450

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on September 26, 2020, 01:53:35 PM
Welcome and great you will help on your Dad's Charger.

Torque specs use to came associated with bolt size and metal grade. On this case head bolts are 5/8" as far I recall torque must be around 55 lbs on an initial step then raised up to 70 lbs. on this order:



400 uses to be external balanced since they are cast cranks. Some earlier 4 speeds 400 got forged crank which are internally balanced.



Thank you for your warm welcome and it is a process to put these engines together I'm going to need all the help I can get.
It's a 400 727 automatic 3 speed so I'm guessing external balance what's a good replacement for the harmonic balancer I think the crank is cast... at least it felt like that it doesn't have stock Pistons it has aftermarket Pistons but 11 to 1 compression... with this be a good replacement harmonic balancer. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ati-918601e/year/1973/make/dodge/model/charger

John_Kunkel

Those dampers are nice but a lot of money. Is your damper missing or just used up? It can be rebuilt for a fraction of the new ones.

https://damperdoctor.com/
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Michaelgt450

Quote from: John_Kunkel on September 27, 2020, 04:36:54 PM
Those dampers are nice but a lot of money. Is your damper missing or just used up? It can be rebuilt for a fraction of the new ones.

https://damperdoctor.com/

They are a lot of money it's just used up where can I get it rebuilt?

John_Kunkel

Pardon me but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Nacho-RT74

dunno what is happening with the images I'm posting ( hosted from anywhere on the web )... and I can't find it now

it came from here but I was pretty sure I posted the jpg link!!!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/D8GpB6iL60YrKJ0snUiYpAtknmeBLeDMkD0dix4Tsd_IjTUV3jI48mudZ_ZjBP_EB77uNvs9DNm5wYXqZijEFQXQ
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Michaelgt450

Quote from: John_Kunkel on September 27, 2020, 04:43:05 PM
Click on the link to damper doctor.

Thank you so much I learned something today that the engine is external balanced I may get that balancer or just rebuilt it what dampener do you have do you have a aftermarket.... I checked my crank crankshaft it's cast

Nacho-RT74

Quote from: Michaelgt450 on September 26, 2020, 02:04:36 PM
at least it felt like that it doesn't have stock Pistons it has aftermarket Pistons but 11 to 1 compression...

wondering where they came out from ? never have known about "out of the shelf" HiPo pistons for 400s aside the ones I mentioned. Maybe back in the days? :shruggy:
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Michaelgt450

Thank you all for the help  it slowly coming together  I already got the harmonic balancer from that place  you recommended
What kind of spark plugs should I run should I run copper?
Also which aluminum water pump housing will work for my car? Part number? Also what alternator to run I have the stock when but I want to get a little bit better one any ideas of what is a plug-in play upgrade? Also the starter I have the stock one but I want to get a lighter one and a high-torque one any recommendations plug-in play I've been looking at a Mopar license starter are those any good? Also anything I can do to make it a little bit faster make more horsepower while I have the engine out I did add a windage tray the mr. Gasket one

Nacho-RT74

Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Michaelgt450

Iris something like that 11 to 1 compression Pistons my dad back in the day pay $400 for those

Nacho-RT74

but, brand?... PN? $400 ? that's the same price of the KB240 hipereutectic flat top pistons!!!!!
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Michaelgt450

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on September 29, 2020, 02:58:12 PM
but, brand?... PN? $400 ? that's the same price of the KB240 hipereutectic flat top pistons!!!!!

It's been so long my dad doesn't remember the PIN he said the brand was Iris or something like that's the same price for Flat Top piston these are not flat top are flat top stock?

Nacho-RT74

stocks are flat top... KB240 are flat tops too but higher CH than stock and with valve reliefs
Venezuelan RT 74 400 4bbl, 727, 8.75 3.23 open. Now stroked with 440 crank and 3.55 SG. Here is the History and how is actually: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,7603.0/all.html
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

Michaelgt450

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on September 29, 2020, 04:33:03 PM
stocks are flat top... KB240 are flat tops too but higher CH than stock and with valve reliefs


Nice to know thank you.... I have the OEM water pump housing but it's heavier and I want to upgrade to a aluminum one do you know of any? That will work for my engine?